Slimm's 2018 Linebackers (Seniors)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    1. Rashaan Evans / Alabama / 6'3", 231

    2. Josey Jewell / Iowa / 6'2", 235

    3. Ogbonnia Okoronkwo / Oklahoma / 6'2", 245

    4. Skai Moore / S. Carolina / 6'2", 220

    5. Micah Kiser / Virginia / 6'2", 240

    6. Andrew Motuapuaka / Virginia Tech / 6'0", 236

    7. Tegray Scales / Indiana / 6'0", 228

    8. Jermaine Carter / Maryland / 6'0", 235

    9. Uchenna Nwosu / USC / 6'2", 240

    10. Jack Cichy / Wisconsin / 6'2", 233

    11. Matthew Thomas / Florida St. / 6'3", 217

    12. Davin Bellamy / Georgia / 6'5", 240

    13. Dorian O'Daniel / Clemson / 6'1", 220

    14. Auggie Sanchez / S. Florida / 6'2", 245

    15. Mike McCray / Michigan / 6'4", 248

    16. Manase Hungalu / Oregon St. / 6'1", 238

    17. Eric Boggs / App. St. / 6'3", 235

    18. Chris Worley / Ohio St. / 6'1", 232

    19. D.J. Calhoun / Arizona St. / 6'0", 234

    20. Fred Warner / BYU / 6'3", 230

    21. Junior Joseph / UCONN / 6'1", 235

    22. Devante Downs / California / 6'2", 245

    23. Stacey Thomas / Louisville / 6'1", 232

    24. Azeem Victor / Washington / 6'3", 230

    25. Shaun Dion-Hamilton / Alabama / 6'0", 232

    26. Shaq Jones / UAB / 6'3", 250

    27. James Hearns / Louisville / 6'3", 249

    28. Nick DeLuca / N. Dakota St. / 6'3", 236

    29. DeMarquis Gates / Ole Miss / 6'2", 221

    30. Jacob Pugh / Florida St. / 6'3", 235

    31. Robert Spillane / W. Michigan / 6'2", 218

    32. Koron Crump / Arizona St. / 6'3", 218

    33. Trent Tanking / Kansas St. / 6'2", 225

    34. Travin Howard / TCU / 6'1", 210

    35. Tre' Williams / Auburn / 6'2", 240

    36. Zaire Franklin / Syracuse / 6'0", 230

    37. Taylor Young / Baylor / 5'10", 225

    38. Luke Carrezola / UCONN / 6'3", 260

    39. Colton Jumper / Tennessee / 6'2", 230

    40. Parris Bennett / Syracuse / 6'0", 222
     
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    Very interested to see how Moore bounces back. Loved watching him play before the injury. Freaky natural in coverage.

    Big Kiser fan as well. These LB lists aren't jumping off the page like they did last year but there's some talent there. Lots of possible risers. I expect Evans to round out his game and develop like Foster did his last season ... where it all seemed to click for him. He's probably got the highest ceiling of them all.

    Weird not seeing any gators on either list but I don't even think the guys slotted to start are even draft eligible. Reese and Johnson will make that list somewhere next year.
     
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  3. ckparrothead

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    I look forward to seeing Rashaan Evans make good on his talent.
     
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    Did Addison Gillom (Colorado) declare for the 2017 draft? I'm asking because I didn't notice his name mentioned here nor the underclassmen list.
     
  5. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    He got beat out by Rick Gamboa for his LB spot last year. Retired from football a month or so ago due to numerous injuries he's accumulated. He sees the bigger picture. Got his whole life ahead of him.
     
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    Thanks for the info Slimm. I had no idea that occurred.
     
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    Matthew Thomas?

    Why so low on: DeLuca, Pugh, Hearns, Cichy, Hamilton, and Cabinda?
     
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    I thought you meant Matthew Adams. Confuse them. Adams has stood out to me plenty of times when watching Houston tape.

    I think Cichy is underrated as well.
     
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    Surprised to not see Dorian Odaniel in here.

    Kid is a athletic LB. Runs a 4.4 and shows it on the field.
     
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    Rice has a linebacker named Brian Womac that I need to remember to take a much closer look at.

    There are times he steps right out of the computer screen and slaps you hard in the face, forcing your attention on him no matter who you were trying to watch.
     
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    Slimm, have you checked out Brian Womac II from Rice? I like him.
     
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    Has he stood out to you as well? I posted about him in the post immediately above yours, lol.
     
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  13. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Somehow I overlooked your post here. Aware of him but haven't looked at him.
     
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    Lol Slimm missed my post, and I missed yours. Something fishy going on. But, yeah, he's looked great to me. Wins with hands and quickness, makes plays all over the field. Tested really poorly coming out of HS, so I'm watching that, but players can obv improve their athleticism with college-level training, and he looks like a solid athlete on tape. Hope he gets an invite to the Shrine Game if not the Senior Bowl.
     
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    Senior Bowl will bypass him. But he'll get into the Shrine Game based on his statistics.
     
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    I really like Dorian O'Daniel a whole lot. I think he's going to be very attractive to teams trying to figure out how to shut down the underneath and quick passing game that has become so dominant in the NFL.
     
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  17. TedSlimmJr

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    Yep. Basically a safety playing linebacker.

    I kinda view Skai Moore, O'Daniel, D.J. Calhoun, Demarquis Gates, Travin Howard and Parris Bennett all as a little bit of those S/LB hybrids. Some that we've seen drafted early. Probably going all the way back to Thomas Davis or even before.

    Versatility allows for good chess pieces to spy mobile quarterbacks or shutting down the underneath routes. I think a few of 'em may be a little more coveted in the draft than people think.
     
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    It's remarkable how far that trend has gone in the NFL.

    I would argue the S/LB tweeners being used out there aren't even cutting edge anymore. Already they've become a middle ground between old school and new school.

    New school is just straight up dime packages with six real DBs on the field, not tweeners but real DBs, with only five total defensive linemen and linebackers. Two teams (Packers, Chiefs) use dime MORE than 50 percent of snaps. The Patriots use it over a third of the time. The Broncos use it something like 40% of the time. A bunch of other teams use it between a quarter and a half of the time.

    The tweeners out there, guys like Telvin Smith (Jacksonville), Ray-Ray Armstrong (San Francisco, until he was cut a week or so ago), Mark Barron (Rams), Su'a Cravens before retirement (Redskins), Deone Buchanon (Cardinals), Shaq Thompson (Carolina), those guys are used by defenses strategically so that they don't have to use true dime packages as often as the teams above. And even some of those teams, like the 49ers and Rams, use a fair amount of true dime anyway.

    The dinosaurs are teams like the Vikings, Browns, Falcons, Seahawks, and Dolphins...who have at least two linebackers and four defensive linemen on the field at all times. Among them though, I think the Dolphins are the most backward. The Vikings trot out Anthony Barr (4.4 speed) and Eric Kendricks (4.55 speed and was a gifted cover man out of UCLA). The Seahawks trot out Bobby Wagner (4.4 speed) and K.J. Wright (6'3" with 35" arms and long been established as one of the best coverage presences at LB in the NFL). The Falcons trot out Deion Jones (4.4 speed) and DeVondre Campbell (6'4" with 4.5 speed).

    Miami tries to get away with a Lawrence Timmons, who ran in the 4.6's over a decade ago and clearly isn't even that fast anymore, and Kiko Alonso who has great height but not great wing span, has always been an inconsistent cover guy, and his speed is in the 4.7's. Or I guess now they're taking Timmons off the field and subbing in Stephone Anthony who has 4.5 speed but whose weakness even going back to college was always coverage, as most have questioned whether he'd be more than a two-down linebacker his whole career.

    At least the Browns have Christian Kirksey. Miami doesn't even have that.

    Anyway the point of the matter is the whole S/LB thing has become the middle ground that enables defensive coordinators to resist doing what a bunch of defensive coordinators have already resigned themselves to doing, which is to use dime packages as often as NFL defenses used to use nickel packages twenty years ago.
     
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    Excellent stuff, Slimm and CK. I couldn't agree more with Slimm's grouping (Calhoun, Howard, and Bennett would all be potential upgrades to Alonso) or CK's assertion about the move to Dime D's.

    I think Miami would be wise to target an OLB and a slot CB. I mentioned it in the Main, but I'd also consider moving TJ McDonald to LB - like Bucannon, Barron, Reid.

    But, at slot CB (of the Seniors), I'd like to see Miami walk away with one of MJ Stewart, Duke Dawson, Parry Nickerson, Deatrich Nichols, or Darius Williams - all of whom I rate as good tacklers in addition to good in coverage. Darius Phillips is the other - for his coverage, playmaking, and return ability - but his effort as a tackler seems to come and go a bit. Really, I wouldn't mind Miami grabbing one of the former players in addition to Phillips.
     
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    Interesting insight into the defensive personnel groupings employed by NFL teams. I don't take in enough NFL to know all that. Although I can see how 6 DB dime packages would be prevalent in the NFL now. Need to defend the pass in a passing league. Thanks for sharing that information.
     
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    Duke Dawson was pretty frustrating at Florida. His tape is gonna be a mixed bag for those that were fortunate enough to not watch gator games this season. It's gonna be pretty similar to Brian Poole's, as a matter of fact, with the big difference being Dawson plays like a slot corner (always thought Poole should make the move to FS ... someone in here said the same). He'll make a fabulous PBU on one play, get beat on the next, miss a pick on the one after, then make another great play. He wasn't just inconsistent from game to game, but also from play to play.

    The positives are he's a good, willing tackler with the shortest memory in the history of football. I don't expect him to test that great but knows the position pretty well - should've had a bunch more picks if his hands didn't betray him.

    I think McCain has developed just fine so I don't see the urgency to replace him with a high pick, but if Dawson falls to the 7th or UDFA like Poole did, I'd be all over it. Poole has surprised me in the NFL and I could see Dawson doing the same ... he has better tools for the slot ... his natural position.
     
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    I really like how Bobby McCain has come on and it reminds me that once upon a time he was Slimm's second ranked senior CB or something high up like that.

    I think he still has weaknesses in the red zone, and that's a concern to me as Miami has the dead worst red zone defense in the NFL. But I'm certainly not feeling as urgent about replacing him with a nickel corner.

    However, think about what I said about dime defense in the NFL and the way this is trending. We are speeding toward the point where defensive backs (whether former DBs converted to LB or current DBs) are going to represent HALF of your defense.

    We're almost there. Last I checked, we were at 45%.

    The reason that's notable is you go around and ask fans around the league about the role of the secondary in the defense and they'll say it's about a third. As in a third DL, a third LBs, a third DBs. It's MUCH closer to half.

    I'm probably bringing all this up in the wrong thread as this is the LBs thread but it's somewhat relevant because it's the LB unit that is getting squeezed out.

    So going back to Bobby McCain and the nickel position, you really don't even have to think Bobby McCain needs replacing in order to justify a significant pick on a corner (like Deatrick Nichols, a favorite of mine for obvious reasons, as well as honest ones). Every team needs a bunch of point guards that can anticipate, slip under a pick and close on the football, or track a wide landscape and be really disciplined in zone.

    What this trend means for linebackers, who are being squeezed out of the game, is that it's more and more important to get the BEST ones, not just bodies...or else you need to be focusing on hybrids like the guys mentioned above (Dorian O'Daniel, Skai Moore, etc).
     
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    Matthew Thomas of Florida State has surprisingly pleasant tape to watch.
     
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    Shaquem Griffin from UCF should most definitely be on this list. Dude is a ****ing bad ***
     
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    Still sleeping on Griffin? Check out what he did against Auburn today.
     
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    I agree. The guy has unreal production.

    His identical twin brother blew the doors off the Combine with a 4.38 forty, 11'0" broad jump, 38.5" vertical. I doubt they're all that different athletically even with Shaquem being heavier and built for the linebacker position.

    If this guy has two hands, we're talking about a 1st round pick.

    Biggest concern I'd have is falling off/missing tackles. But he's only had four missed tackles all year long.

    I'm all for him.
     
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    McShay has him listed as a safety but I have no idea why. He played at outside linebacker in UCF's 3-4 and showed that he can get off blocks and make things happen as a pass rusher, even being 100+ pounds lighter than a lot of the linemen he was going against. He's explosive as hell too. I could definitely see him at WLB in a 4-3. He's even had a few interceptions, all with just one hand.
     
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