Slimm's 2018 Linebackers (Underclassman)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    1. Malik Jefferson / Texas / 6'3", 238 (Played more inside last season. Much more natural outside.)

    2. Jerome Baker / Ohio St. / 6'1", 225

    3. Tremaine Edmunds / Virginia Tech / 6'5", 236

    4. Cameron Smith / USC / 6'2", 245

    5. Jordan Jones / Kentucky / 6'2", 220

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    6. Jahlani Tavai / Hawaii / 6'4", 235

    7. T.J. Edwards / Wisconsin / 6'1", 244

    8. Roquan Smith / Georgia / 6'1", 225

    9. Andre Smith / N. Carolina / 6'0", 235

    10. Joe Giles-Harris** / Duke / 6'2", 220

    11. Francis Bernard / BYU / 6'1", 239

    12. Otaro Alaka / Texas A&M / 6'3", 240

    13. Frank Ginda / San Jose St. / 6'0", 241

    14. Terrill Hanks / New Mexico St. / 6'3", 230

    15. Deshaun Davis / Auburn / 5'11", 239

    16. Kendall Joseph / Clemson / 6'0", 230

    17. Jeff Holland / Auburn / 6'2", 249

    18. Khalil Hodge / Buffalo / 6'1", 240

    19. Rick Gamboa / Colorado / 6'0", 230

    20. Natrez Patrick / Georgia / 6'3", 238

    21. Darrin Kirkland / Tennessee / 6'1", 230

    22. Manny Bowen / Penn St. / 6'1", 220

    23. Butch Pau'u / BYU / 6'0", 223

    24. Colton Jumper / Tennessee / 6'2", 224

    25. Ulysees Gilbert / Akron / 6'1", 225

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    26. Kaden Elliss / Idaho / 6'3", 218

    27. Oluwaseun Idowu / Pittsburgh / 6'0", 225

    28. Josh Watson / Colorado St. / 6'2", 235

    29. Kevin Mouhon / Cincinnati / 6'1", 245

    30. Yiannis Bowden / E. Carolina / 6'5", 221

    31. Michael Shaw / Georgia St. / 6'4", 230

    32. Azeez Al-Shaair / FAU / 6'2", 220

    33. Dre Greenlaw / Arkansas / 6'0", 226

    34. Joel Iyiegbuniwe / W. Kentucky / 6'2", 225

    35. Darius Harris / MTSU / 6'2", 231

    36. Bryan London** / Texas St. / 6'2", 215

    37. David Griffith / UL-Monroe / 6'0", 211
     
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  2. SF Dolphin Fan

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    What's your take on Cameron Smith? Specifically, how would he fit in Miami if drafted by the Dolphins?
     
  3. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    I have him graded as an early 3rd round linebacker if he comes out early. One of the top 3 or 4 most instinctive linebackers I've studied in this particular class.

    That's his meal ticket in my opinion...instincts. Puts them on display both in coverage and in his run defense. The way he works through traffic and chaos while keeping proper angles on the ball is really kind of a rare deal.

    The issues I see with Cameron Smith basically come down to the fact that overall he's simply a quality linebacker prospect, not a great one. He's a tackle-to-tackle functioning linebacker, not a sideline-to-sideline linebacker. Seems to be at his best working between the B-gaps.

    He doesn't have the range or athleticism of a truly great linebacker like Kuechly or Patrick Willis coming out. He's not in that class.

    Doesn't explode on contact like Rueben Foster and not as physical or that caliber of athlete. Smith is more of a drag down tackler, and possesses only average speed for a linebacker. Tries to run around blocks rather than taking them on, and will miss some tackles that a linebacker like Rueben Foster could make. Plays football a little faster than he can run because of his instincts, which is all you're really looking for anyway at the inside linebacker position.

    A little bit stiff, much like Zach Thomas was. Shows great awareness in coverage...zone. But not fluid or fast enough to carry man coverage.

    Clancy Pendergast prefers a 5-2-4 base defense, and coached Mychal Kendricks at Cal. Smith is essentially a little bigger Mychal Kendricks for Pendergast, but a little slower and less physical at the POA.

    If you watched the USC/W. Michigan game Saturday, there was a big difference in the quality of defense the Trojans played in the second half after Smith returned after sitting out the first half due to a targeting foul from last year's Rose Bowl on Trace McSorley.

    He's a highly instinctive and high football IQ linebacker that makes the calls and sets the front for the defense. Gets everybody in the right place most of the time. Again, he's a quality linebacker prospect in my estimation, just not a great one.
     
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    Thanks, Slimm. Really value your opinion.

    Obviously early in the process, but I'm keeping my eyes on linebackers and corners mostly. I think Miami would be looking for more of an outside linebacker and probably someone more athletic than Smith. I do like what I've seen from him.

    Will really be watching how Howard develops this year for Miami and if Tankersley can be the man opposite him. Not sure how much we'll see of Tankersley, but I am concerned about the corners and how they will hold up this year. A shutdown guy opposite of Howard would be huge for the defense.
     
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    I really love Andre Smith that kids is a beast.
     
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    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    Adding Malik Jefferson would be amazing. Outside of James or Fitzpatrick he'd have the biggest upgrade for the team.
     
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    Elite prospect. The game he just played against USC was the best one I've seen from him. I compare him to Derrick Johnson when he came out of Texas. Top 15 player in this draft.
     
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    I was about to post the very same thing. He looked like he was playing against boys. By far the best game I've watched of him. Although I came away a little dissappointed In week #1. The whole team was flat. He's one of my favorite prospects this year.
     
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    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    If you're Miami, those 3 are staring at you in the face who are you picking?
     
  10. TedSlimmJr

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    I'll take any of em.
     
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    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Pretty good linebacker prospect, apparently just not a very smart one to say what he said about Lamar Jackson leading up to that game. You just don't give players like that extra motivation by spouting off.

    Followed that up by getting injured chasing Lamar Jackson up and down the field and now he's out for the season.
     
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    Any chance we can transplant his brain into Stephone Anthony's body?
     
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    I guess I pulled a Andre Smith and spoke to soon...lol
     
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    I like Auggie Sanchez on the USF defense (senior) but this Nico Sawtelle kid is something different entirely.
     
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    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Let me put it this way then, this time a year ago you saw Raekwon McMillan and Zach Cunningham rated as 1st round picks. Most likely top 15-20 overall even.

    McMillan came off the board in the 2nd round and 54th overall. I had him graded #29 overall. Cunningham was never a 1st round pick in my opinion, I don't care where the hype machine had him going. I had him with #106 grade overall and he came off at #57 overall.

    If a linebacker doesn't run 4.59 or better, they're most likely not going in the 1st round. Cameron Smith can't and won't run better than 4.59. If anybody sees 4.5 speed watching Cameron Smith, then we're watching two different players.

    I think he'll most likely split the difference and come off the board in the 2nd round, probably around where McMillan came off the board...and I believe it's a fair slot considering how I have him graded vs. the hype machine.

    But make no mistake, like I said, you're not looking at Luke Kuechly or Rueben Foster athletically. He's not in that category.
     
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    ^^ Well, we'll see. Not saying I know, cause I don't. But regardless what round he goes, I think he's gonna be a pretty good player in the league.
     
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    Peaked at Roquan Smith. That's a player now
     
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    @TedSlimmJr I would like to know what you think of Roquan Smith I am a Dawgs fan so I have a lot of bias but he looks the part physically and mentally.
     
  20. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    He's really come on this year. To be honest I felt like Natrez Patrick was a better prospect before the season. But Patrick has a lot of issues he needs to clean up off the football field first.

    Smith has a little bit of Rueben Foster in him. He moves sideline to sideline and covers ground a lot like Foster did in this defensive philosophy of Smart's. Not as big and not quite as explosive as Foster on contact, but they have more similarities than differences.

    I think he's in the same boat as a kid like Jerome Baker as far as how they fit, we'll just have to see exactly how they test out physically.

    Smith's play is the biggest reason why UGA's defense has shown to be legitimately championship caliber this season, and why Georgia is sitting where they are at #3 in the country.
     
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    Yea I was in the same boat as you, Natrez was the one from last seasons play I thought was going to lead this LB corps but Raquon has really taken over and is showing phenomenal instincts/diagnosing of plays. I was thinking he is someone we could get in the 2nd round if he doesn't move up the board to much. I think at MLB calling the plays and getting the D set could really elevate our LB corp next year.
     

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