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  1. FearTheBeard

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    And we continue to measure Tannehilll on the 7+ year established veterans curve.

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  2. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Don't make excuses for the QB.
     
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    3rd year qb vs what a 9 year vet??? makes sense apples to apples...tannys already passed for more tds than penny ever did all while taking care of the ball at a similar rate...no 1-15 schedule no wildcat to crutch on no tom brady shredded knee week 1
     
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    u put it in ur sig, its not like i went back 2 years ago to a post u made in a random thread and used it against u.

    also, ur arrogant attitude in ur defense of tannehill makes u an easy target with stuff like that.

    u talk him up as a great qb all the time, whether its just in random threads or ur ''hoopsscoops'' telling everyone hes a boss, hes the best young qb in the nfl, etc, yet when he fails 2 years in a row, there u r deflecting all the blame away from him.

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    im not, im saying what he had, but pennington being a very good qb, was able to get the most out of below average guys.

    he did fail big time in the playoffs, no one is denying that, he was awful, but sadly it was far and away the most enjoyable year we have had in this millennium.
     
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    i didnt deflect blame from him at all...this thread was talking about the last playoff season when the crutches carried us and how you made it about chad pennington when this team was going nowhere with that noodle arm til they rolled out the wildcat even with a 1-15 schedule
     
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    And the team was 1-2, including a blow out loss at Arizona where the offense didn't do ****, until what happened?

    Pennington provide great leadership both under center and split out wide in a gimmick offense. Hilarious that people actually believe Pennington's talent under center was the difference in that offense.
     
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    11-5, had nothing to do with brady being out, unless we played the pats 16 times that season.

    we split with the pats, we have done that often. 11 wins in a season is a very good season, anyway u want to spin it. lets also not forget, pennington came to the fins, 2 weeks before the season started, had no camp with us.

    tanny couldnt get us into the playoffs last year only needing 9 wins to do so. that was not asking a lot. of course though u excluded him from any blame for last years collapse.

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    again, the wildcat was deff a part of the offense, but stop making it seem like we ran it like 50 percent of the snaps in each game.

    pennington was runner up mvp in the nfl for a reason.
     
  8. J. David Wannyheimer

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    So to you, the QB's won-loss record is all that matters? You think Drew Brees and M. Ryan are worse players than whoever is being brought out at QB this week for the Cardinals?
     
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    no we just ran it every time we got in the red zone cause the qb couldnt put the ball in the end zone and neither could the base run game...keep em coming you're not doing well
     
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    You might want to go revisit yards per play in the wildcat vs base offense before going down this road.
     
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    first of all, both the guys have not played well for the most part this season. r they the ''only'' reasons? no, but if ur using brees and ryan as examples for this year, they r not having good years.

    also, those guys despite having down years, have shown in the past they are capable of playing at an elite level? what has tannehill done to get the benefit of the doubt? 3 seasons so far, 7-9, 8-8, and at best this year 9-7 with most likely no playoffs.

    his play so far has been mediocre overall. is he god awful? no, but too many ppl also talk of him on here like he has proven so much already.

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    we ran it in the redzone, bc we had a good run game. plenty of teams run the ball in the redzone, that does not mean that pennington ''couldnt'' throw it successfully.
     
  12. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Thanks, just wanted you to admit that a team's win-loss record includes more factors than simply whether or not the quarterback is a quality player.
     
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    nah mediocre was chad pennington from the time he got here...til his wing fell off

    he didnt make plays he managed the game limited turnovers and provided leadership...but he also had that wildcat which rescued the entire season and a 1-15 schedule to prop him up before getting exposed by the ravens in the postseason

    and then his arm fell off 2 years in a row...it's like the guy deserves a statue out front of the stadium to hear some of you guys talk about that qb
     
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    Chad had a nice season no doubt. Dolphins don't make the playoffs without him. But what happened when we got to the playoffs and actually played a good team? He was limited in what he could do. The Ravens sealed off the middle of the field. Ball game over!

    Trying to present an argument that Chad Pennington was the reason for the 08 success is ridiculous. The wildcat averaged almost 8 yards each time it was run. That and an incredibly weak schedule were instrumental in that team making the playoffs.
     
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    bingo
     
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    i dont have time for that now, but i do recall that season really well. pennington was very good. again, i am not denying the run game/wildcat didnt make a difference, of course it did, but pennington was a big reason as well.

    he threw the ball 476 times exactly that year, its not like he threw 300 times and we ran the wildcat all the time.

    if mccown, who if i remember correctly was going to be our qb going into that year before chad, had started for us, we dont go better than 4-12.
     
  17. J. David Wannyheimer

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    The Simple Rating System (SRS) has been used by football analysts for decades now. It's not perfect, but it's a decent evaluation tool that can be applied back consistently through the beginning of our franchise.

    We played the 6th weakest schedule this team has ever faced in 2008, with a SRS SoS rating of -2.3. The only 2 teams we beat that had winning records were the Pats, in Matt Cassel's 3rd start, the infamous Wildcat game, and the Jets in week 17 in Chad Pennington's revenge game, when the Jets were already eliminated.

    Again, you're talking to a Pennington fan. That 2008 team was essentially a mirage unit that barely beat cupcake teams in close games, week after week.
     
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    that's when we beat favre week 17 right and he was pretty much washed up/playing hurt going in as i recall...
     
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    Yeah the defense beat up on Favre that day. Pretty much put him into retirement for the 2nd or 3rd time or whatever it was.
     
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    Nah. Favre wanted to go to Minnesota and stick it to the Packers. He played out his one season in New York like a good sport, sent some **** pictures to a trainer, you know, the usche. Then he hopped on over to Minny.
     
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    again the weak sched argument. miami was 1-15 the year before, what did teams consider miami on there sched?

    bc of pennington though, we got respect and had our best year in ages sadly.

    i am not here to tell u pennington threw the ball 35-40 and won games on his own, he didnt, but if we did not sign pennington, zero chance we made playoffs that year, and most likely win no more than 4 games.

    also, pennington that year. 3,653 yds on 470 attempts.

    tannehill this year. 504 attempts, 3,390. so basically with 34 more attempts, he has thrown for 263 less yds than pennington did, yet pennington was a game manager, and tanny is different according to some.
     
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    Our SoS was -2.3 in 08. Ours was second toughest in our own division. NE was -2.0. The next closest teams were in the 2 divisions we played, the AFC and NFC West. They avg approximately -1. No other teams were on the negative side. Thos two division winners were 9-7 and 8-8. They also featured three of the worst teams in the NFL.

    That schedule was absolutely absurd and we typically beat those powerhouses by less than a FG. Its comical to think we were some great team in 08 because we weren't. And don't be to shocked when I say that one of you (you figure out who) used to bang that easy schedule drum when he wanted Sparano fired yet now views it differently because his vendetta has changed towards a different target.
     
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    again, the weak sched argument. no one is denying that, but look at our team. we had no one on our team. we were coming off a 1-15 season, going into camp that year, our roster prob resembled a 3-4 win team, and then we sign chad and win 11.

    my point i guess is how much of an impact a very good qb can have. chad got the most out of his crappy wrs that year. he made cammarillo look like a respectable wr he made bess look good, heck even ginn had his best year as a fin that season.

    and as i pointed out, ppl who call pennington a ''limited'' qb, what does that make tannehill?

    last year, tannehill threw the ball 588 times and had 3913 yds. this year, he has thrown 504 times and will prob throw it more than 550 times, and finish with similar yardage.

    pennington threw it 476 times and threw for nearly as many yds
     
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    Washed up, playing hurt, Brett Favre on the road in week 17 >>>>>>>>> Geno's Myth in our stadium week 17.

    We won when it counted with Pennington. With Tannehill........ not so much.
     
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    Using yards per pass attempt as your argument there is specious, as it's been proved time and time again that it's a statistic that's extremely variable year to year for individual quarterbacks and often correlated with coaching schemes and surrounding players. For instance in 2006 and 2007 Pennington's yards per attempt was in the 6.8 range, and then in the 3 games he played in 2009 he was barely managing about 5.6 per attempt.

    Compare Alex Smith's yards per pass attempt in 2 years under Jim Harbaugh to what it looked like under Singletary and now under Andy Reid. Big difference. Same player, different pass offense.
     
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    Just for comparison, our SoS this season is 3.1 Huge difference
     
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    he never wanted to be here and played like it al season. He didn't like cold weather late in his career and when it got to December he packed it in.

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    The sched was cake back in 2008 for all of us, Miami deserved that div title. you still have to beat who is on your sched. Last year you had 2 gimmes to end the season and lost both so Miami 2008 deserves credit for that. Chad P was a legit NFL MVP candidate that year no matter what the sched looked like.
     
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    It blows my mind that some claim how great Pennington was when his stats are not any different than Tannehill and the schedules are not even close in comparison. Seriously, comparing a snot nosed kid and a 10 year vet when there really is not much difference statistically is about as ridiculous as it gets. Big games I'll buy. Not this trivial **** some throw out there.

    Perhaps I should use the term Happy Adjusters to describe it.
     
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    he attempted 115 more passes in 2013 than pennington did in 2008, and already has surpassed the amount of attempts by chad that year, but the final number is tbd.

    so if anything, it makes penningtons numbers a lot more impressive considered he attempted way less passes and still basically had the same amount of yds.

    also, its funny how pennington gets ripped on for playing an easy sched, even though his team was garbage around him, yet when tannehill played 2 crap teams to end the season last year, 1 at home, we scored 7 pts total. tanny couldnt even take advantage of the crap teams. pennington did at least.
     
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    Sooooo.. How bout that shirt? :up:
     
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    Garbage? He had a far better OL and Ricky and Ronnie behind him. His WRs were crap but lets not pretend that he had no help.
     
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    who is that girl in ur sig? shes not too bad, lol?
     
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    that team was 1-15 w/o him in 2007 and last year was the first year since that they even got close to the playoffs.
     
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    im talking at the wr position, the guys who he had to rely on when throwing the ball.

    those guys were not bad, they were awful. pennington made them look good. look what happened to all those guys post pennington.

    no joke, pennington had me fooled that cammarillo was a real solid wr
     
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    Here are the results of the playoff teams we faced in 08:

    Ravens lost by 14
    Cards lost by 21
    Chargers won by 7
    Ravens lost by 16

    In those 4 games we scored 49 points. Total!

    Color me impressed.
     
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    stats never tell the whole story. Chad came in to a 1-15 team and you won 11 games w/ him. easy sched or not, Brady out or not that's damn impressive and wasn't Ted Ginn his top WR?
     
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    We sure showed the 8-8 Chargers, though.

    But seriously, this is probably the silliest argument I've seen on this board in a while. We're seriously going back and trying to prop up that 2008 team? When I migrated over to this board during that awful 2011 season, people certainly felt differently.
     
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    you won 11 games, last year you had 2 bad teams to end the season and scored a total of 7 and lost both.

    you were still finding your way early in '08 when you faced Ari and Bal was a great D. Bal would hold Ten to 10 on the road the next week too.
     
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    If you want to use the 07 1-15 let's not forget that they lost 7 games by 3 or less points. Again, I appreciate the leadership he brought but the talent was diminished.
     
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    In fact if memory serves me correct in 07 we had John Beck start against the Steelers and lost 3-0 in the Mud Bowl. Remember the punt that went straight into the turf without bouncing? Beck lasted 3 games maybe?

    :lol: John Beck
     

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