So let me understand this?

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  1. Honeybager08

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    Reminds me of Incognito, plays till the whistle. I miss Incognito.
     
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    So we need a clean pocket for some Tannehill consistency?
     
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    I am not saying that at all. And if anybody is worthy of an exception, it is Jarvis Landry. Who else is worth that exception? Name me another Dolphin who has given you more under a rookie contract in the last 15 years?

    No this isn't protocol going forward but in a world where a FA market may dictate 14 million even though maybe 12 is the answer . . . Jarvis Landry is absolutely the exception into giving in a little to getting a deal done. He has more than earned it.

    That being said, I get where people just don't want to give a non Julio Jones type that money and refuse to hear anything else so it may fall on deaf ears . . . but lets not be ridiculous here and compare Jarvis to other potential "exceptions" on this roster . . . there are none.
     
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    If Landry hits the market as an unrestricted free agent, he’s going to sign with New England. And Brady will legitimately be able to play until 44-45 with Juice as his primary target. And it’s not gonna pretty for Miami per usual lmao.
     
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    I agreed with this also. I think if you finally lock down the god damn TE position, letting Landry go wouldn't hurt and probably help even more. I keep thinking of Phillip Rivers living off of Gates and co at TE all these years. Amazing how over 3 or 4 regimes we can't fix the OL and get a friggin TE worth a s**t.
     
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    No, I'm saying that it would be nice to have a consistently clean pocket. Tannehill has shown ability to maneuver and create time, but he should not have to do it more than half the time.
     
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    I mean I view Landry as a vital piece to the Gase offense and to Ryan Tannehill . . . not the rest of the league. Statistically he is a top 10 WR so if you are taking stats and then taking importance to the offense . . . I think he has more than proven his worth, especially to this team.

    People keep saying he is limited . . . so are we saying in a game where 85% of the offensive plays happen inside of a 10 yard box, we shouldn't reward the guy who works that box as good as anybody in the NFL? We should reward the guy who is a factor on those other 15% plays and that player automatically qualifies as a top 10 WR because of that skillset while the other guys does not?

    I just don't feel that way. I get the consensus will go against me but the undervaluing of Jarvis Landry is borderline criminal around here. Like I said earlier on a team full of supposed talent at the skill positions . . . he was the consistent threat in the redzone that made the play to put points on the board.

    To think he is some replaceable piece is just shortsighted but I get that the team has other needs and smart decisions need to be made. He is priority 1 on my list.
     
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    I'm not a RT fan. But I have been begging for oline and TE help...since I've been here.

    But it's mainly because to this day, Ryan Tannehill consistency is being inconsistent. And it's not just a HC problem or a oline personnel problem. Ryan, in my eyes, owns part of it himself.
     
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    His antics post play has worn thin.

    I understand what you are saying. It's just if you want to win in the NFL, your offense needs some balance. A slot wr not in NE isn't a recipe for long term success. I just think if you want someone running TE routes, you get a TE. If you want a Running back catching passes, get a RB to do it. Running your offense through a Slot, especially a sensitive bugger like Landry, drastically reduces the value of everyone else around him.

    Landry isn't in the job of complimenting other positions. He's in the job to take those jobs away. If you think he would be happy with 4-5 targets a game, that is criminal. He's a high volume target seeker. And with it comes a mediocre offense.
     
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    NE isn't going to pay Gronk 14 million a year, I doubt they'd even look Landry's way...Stop the NE fear, they've only taken one player from Miami and made him a star and that was Welker who I'd take over Landry..
     
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    The logic that 85% on the plays happen in a 10 yard box and that Landry excels in that box is correct. I agree there is value in that. But premium contracts should go to players who have the ability to stretch that box. I mean this is why wide outs are being paid more than slot guys. I might sound like I don't like Landry, which isnt the case at all. What we have here is a good player asking for a premium contract. I've pretty much said everything I had to say on the subject. One last thing, I think this offense might benifit more from a good TE than keeping on force feeding Landry 160 targets per season...
     
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    Yards per snap numbers. Stills is higher the one year he played with Brees. So Landry plays more (usually), plays special teams, and has more yards per snap. They are both good players but I don't know how you can say Stills is clearly better.

    2017
    Landry 0.99
    Stills 0.98
    Parker 0.90
    Caroo 0.48
    Grant 0.68

    2016
    Landry 1.27
    Stills 0.91
    Parker 1.01
    Caroo 0.24
    Grant 0.00

    2015
    Landry 1.33
    Stills 0.74

    2014
    Landry 1.11
    Stills* 1.51
     
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  13. Tannchise

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    So who does Miami lineup at WR? Parker? Carroo? Grant? No one developed enough to lose Landry. The offense already sucks, now you remove the offensive MVP?
     
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    Grant is definitely developing. Stills is our best WR period. Parker has a chance to come around. We can't keep a guy like Landry out of desperation anyways. That's a recipe for disaster
     
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    Parker anf Tannehill, waiting for them to come around is the exact issue this team has
     
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    Tannehill definitely came around. That's not debatable
     
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    Brian Billick: 'son, your potential is going to get me fired...'
     
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    And got hurt after an ok season two years ago. Very dangerous
     
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    Came around to what exactly?
     
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    A winning season. A 93 passes rating. Playoffs... His best season in the first year of an offense. Me thinks gase and tannehill are perfect together.

    And i think you guys are way too impatient and already made your mind up beforehand
     
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    He had 2-3 good games in 2016. We were 10-6 because of a run game and a healthy LT in Albert,Tunsil , Pouncey, Bushrod and James

    LT is a problems too on this team. The Bills and Jags, in the playoffs, had a rookie LT, both got in the 2nd round
     
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    Curious. Why did Tannehill crumble against the Ravens?
     
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    The entire team was bad that game. Every QB has a bad game once in a while. Give the guy a break.

    You guys don't give tannehill any credit whatsoever. I'm done here
     
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    A break? 6 years is a long break. That game was a microcosm of the problem w Tannehill.
     
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    But what is he? He was always considered average, the debate has always been is average good enough. Or are you saying he's something other than average now?
     
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    So OP starts a thread about retaining Landry, and EVERY subsequent post from him are a jab at the QB... I'm shocked!
     
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    Because we may lose Landry because we cant throw the ball vertically. We can throw horizontally though
     
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    By who? I'd be willing to bet Gase considers him better than average and that is the opinion that counts right now.
     
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    Good thing that was not true in 2016 and Tannehill is coming back.
     
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    2016.....yeah that was two full seasons ago
     
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    Crumble against the Ravens?

    I went to take a **** and we were down 21-0 because we fielded LBs named Paysinger and Butler and they got absolutely torched by Flacco and Pitta.

    My guess is you are viewing the score and box score and see 3 INTs and wanna make this a Tannehill thing.

    We missed a Fg first drive.

    Next drive Tannehill laid an absolute DIME in there to Parker and Webb made a pretty incredible play to pick it off.

    By then we were down 21-0 and hell with our shaky offensive line on the road vs. that physical front it was over.

    Tanny had another deflected pick for his 2nd INT and the third one was just a bad throw/read but it was 38-6 with 6 minutes to play.

    Nobody played well that game but Tannehill was the least of the teams problems that day.
     
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    He gets a pass all the time

    Dont worry it is over soon
     
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    ????
     
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    Well, he is a QB
     
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    I think that's pretty off-base. We had one of the best vertical passing attacks in the NFL in 2016. Also, if Landry winds up elsewhere, I don't think it's going to have anything to do with that.
     
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    2016 lol. Two seasons removed.
     
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    2016 was last season. It is currently the 2017 NFL season.

    I think that discussing our passing offense in 2016, when we had the same receiving corps and starting quarterback that we presume to go into 2018 with, is pretty relevant. I see no reason to dwell on the Jay Cutler Dolphins any longer, considering that Cutler has gone back into retirement and won't be serving up duck again for us.
     
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    2016 and 2017 are done for Miami. Two seasons removed
     
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    It was the rush offense that carried Miami in 2016 fyi
     

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