Stadium Renovation NOT on delegations list of priorities

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  1. TealAttack13

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    We have real important issues in this state...

    Corporate welfare isn't worthwhile.

    Enough of that garbage...sick of my fees taxes and rates going up to subsidize corporate welfare.
     
  3. vt_dolfan

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    And..not that I disagree with Death Star..but the above response is exactly why it wasnt listed. They wont publicly make it a"priority" in this current state of affairs. But..it will get taken care of, that you can be sure of. This is only politics....part of putting on a good public face.
     
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    Dolphins should have moved to a new stadium. Marlins should have stayed.
     
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    Why is everyone concerned if the Superbowl comes here or not? Does it really matter? There are more important things in life than whether the city of Miami hosts a super bowl.... For instance, the upcoming draft.
     
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    Exactly. I lived in Miami in 1989 and 1995 when the Super Bowl was held there. It meant nothing special to me, at least not anymore than any of the other Super Bowls of that era. I care about whether or not the Dolphins ever get to another Super Bowl, not were the game is played.
     
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    Drive anywhere on 595 and then tell me that the super bowl or a stadium renovation should be a top priority. That's one of the crappiest highways in the country. Much bigger issues in south Florida.
     
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    Just an FYI....595 is currenlty under major construction....and yes it needed it.
     
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    The fact that the Dolphins will sign a 20 year lease with Miami if the stadium renovations happen is the biggest reason why I want them to happen. It will be nice to see the Super Bowl in Miami again, especially the coveted Super Bowl L, but assurance the team stays in Miami long term is what has me anxious about this getting approved. I don't live in Miami so I personally won't see the hundreds of millions the Super Bowl will bring to the local economy. But I do make the long trip down to Miami at least once a year so an improved facility would be nice to attend.

    Again if they can sign a long term lease and finally take the Los Angeles conversation completely off the table then I want this renovation to get approved.
     
  10. Vertical Limit

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    Only actual residents understand this. These out of state fans are always talking out of their ***, saying they would be season ticket holders, everything the Dolphins need should be top priority, no excuse not to be a season ticket holder if you're a resident in Miami.

    Yeah, I bet if they actually moved in here they would have trouble even looking for a job.
     
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    Got this quote from the Sun-Sentinel. I would not be too worried about this, it will get consdidered.

    And to those that think it does not matter.....Well IMO it does. Maybe not for you, but to a whole lot of other people. Restaurant and bar owners and their employees see more business, hotels and their employees, and so on and so on. Then those people have more money to spend and the state and city and the county collected more in taxes to spend on other things. I just get so sick of people calling this corporate welfare. There is a cost-benefit relief that the governments will see, (increased hotel taxes) this is an investment. More business=more taxes.

    "At a meeting last week, House Speaker Will Weatherford, with Senate President Don Gaetz in agreement, said that he would like all proposals to assist sports teams be considered at one time. Among the other bills being considered by the Legislature is one that would make a proposed Orlando soccer stadium eligible for state money."

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-lawmakers-like-miami-dolphins-20130205,0,5993517.story
     
  12. ohall

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    Seeing as how NONE of the taxes proposed would come from any of us living in Florida, your comment is a bit ignorant. Like a lot of our leaders these days, never let the facts get in your way!
     
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    Then you would want them to get the renovations. It would bring in more tax dollars to spend on highway projects. The proposed taxes are taxes that would come from tourist staying in hotels, it's called a bed tax. It would push it to 7%. States like NY have their bed taxes at or near 17%.
     
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    Do your research, the Super Bowl has barely made any economic impact the last several times they hosted here compared to years that Miami didn't have a Super Bowl. The ones who benefits are the corporate people of Holiday Inn's, Marriott's, and other hotels and restaurant owners. Employee checks of servers/bellboys also benefits. What exactly does that do for Miami? Nothing.
     
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    Honestly, there are so many issues with budgets both at the state level and city level, this money is better off spent on things more important than sports.
     
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    There are as many or more that say the opposite. To me it's common sense. If more ppl are going to arrive at destination for an event, that would in turn bring in more money to that area if that event was not there.
     
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    The money can not be used for anything but sports franchises expanding their facilities. Dee made that very very very very very clear in their PC concerning this.

    There is so much misinformation with this subject it's scary. I have no doubt it will not happen, and we will in turn get less Super Bowls and in time we will lose the Dolphins to another city. Some ppl never let the facts get in the way of their agenda.

    And wtf man, you don't even live in Florida let alone Miami.
     
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    Interesting because if the location on your avatar is correct you live in Palm Beach county so if there was a tax hike (which my understanding is the only taxes that go up would only effect tourists) it wouldn't effect you anyway.
     
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    Exactly, tourists are the ones who will be paying for the renovations. I am not a local so I am considered a tourist when I come down for Dolphins games. I am perfectly fine with them taxing me to upgrade the stadium.
     
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    Yeah but only some parts are under construction though.
     
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    Wrong, I would want them to use the money on the state highways on the first place. I find it amusing that you're saying "only tourists will pay" like it's some kind of acceptable excuse. What do you think the tourists tax money pays for now?
     
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    The bulk of the money is actually coming from sales tax rebates, which has been reported at $3 million per year for 30 years. This is a good deal for both sides, because the city/county/state doesn't have to come up with a bunch of cash up front, thus diverting money away from things like education. It basically means that Steven Ross wont have to pay sales tax at his stadium for 30 years - which I am fine with. One of the stipulations in that deal is that the stadium has to be over 20 years old, meaning if this deal goes through, there will likely be no new stadium in Miami for a long time unless Ross or a future owner would be willing to forfeit the tax credits.

    Here is the entire bill where you can follow it through the house process: http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0306
     
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    Dude it's standard procedure for cities to charge a bed tax. The fact is, Miami, which is a major tourist city, its bed tax is far below most other big tourist cities. And again, these taxes in the state of Florida can only be used to help Florida sport teams with their stadium needs, at least that is my understanding. They can not be used to fund any highway projects.
     
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    The whole "super bowl will create jobs" line is getting kinda old when theres so many people that have the ability to work but prefer to stay on welfare. So this whole line about corporate welfare is just baloney when im sick and tired of my tax dollars helping a bunch of wasted low lifes who depend on the gov cheese to stay afloat. Either way, someone has to pay.
     
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    So, people who use tax payer money to not starve to death: low life scum.
    Corporation privatizing their profits while socializing their losses/costs: perfectly acceptable.

    Interesting view of the world you have.
     
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    1) I have never heard that bed tax can ONLY be used for sports teams.

    2) Introduce legislation that allows taxes to be spent on construction. Problem solved.
     
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    lol why would anyone want to do that? They have been redoing the 595 area since I moved away from Miami in 1998, and they will prob never stop. It's not due to a lack of money.
     
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    Your totally right, i mean the obvious answer is give the money away to a private business. Its not like hospitals and schools ever need to be built or cops and firefighters need to be trained. Its completely sane to just let the roads decay because...well, it is going to happen even if they keep working on it!

    Investing it into Sun Life Stadium is a shrewd move, its not like that place has ever needed renovation before, this is just a one and done thing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Life_Stadium
     
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    Sorry although the stadium is a private entity, in no way does it fit into the AVG definition. It's a stadium that was built privately because the city of Miami was too cheap to do what it should have done to keep the Dolphins in Miami. Thankfully Joe Robbie was a man with a conscience and he decided to do something for his legacy rather than his pocket book. It cost him and his family in spades. IMO it's about damn time the ppl of Miami did the right thing when it came to the Miami Dolphins. If they play the poor mouth game with this owner, in time it won't be the Miami Dolphins for very long.

    Having a sports franchise in your city is privilege not a right. If Miami won't do the right thing, there are plenty of cities out there that would be very happy to pony up for a new stadium to have the Miami Dolphins in their city.
     
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    The beauty of American sports: let me socialize my costs or im leaving. Dress it up however you like, it still boils down to blackmail. And personally, if i was a politician agreeing to this deal, id be worried about it and doing all my due diligence. Tax payers are paying for the baseball stadium until 2049, and the Dolphins are $230 million in debt from their LAST set of renovations. What happens in 5 years when our owner decides to dress the stadium up some more?

    But hey, if some roads cant be maintained or a hospital cant be built, no worries, you can just walk(youd be forced to walk) to the stadium to enjoy some good ole' fashion football. After you buy a ticket of course.
     
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    I didn't realize all the Miami residents lived in hotels and therefore are paying the extra 1% bed tax. No wonder they don't want the renovations.

    @spesh it's not people who use tax payers money for food that are low life scum. It's the many who use it as the only income their willing to try for. Taking advantage of the system is what makes them low life scum and there are way to many doing it.
     
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    Its not used for highways, schools, are anything of the sort. In government finance, every revenue stream has a unique output, and all monies collected from the "bed tax" are streamlined through just a few programs, none of which are use on state highways. When the government collects taxes, the money isnt put into one giant bucket to fund all government programs. In fact, 60% of that "bed tax" in Miami goes to fund programs for people that dont even live here.

    http://www.miamidade.gov/taxcollector/tourist-tax-expenditures.asp
     
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    So florida residents never use hotels in florida lol.
     
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    It was a metaphor, dude. Doesn't matter what the tax is or how it's used, it will have an impact on south Florida citizens, regardless if it comes from tourism money or not.
     
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    There is still no set date for the renovations, right? It wouldn't seem like it after reading the article. Hopefully we can get this thing rolling soon.
     
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    swe can get this rolling tommorrow if the nfl and ross used some of their immense profits to take care of their own crap
     
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    Dude, move out of the hotel and rent, OK?

    WTF!
     
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    I'll make something very clear for you. Whenever businesses get tax breaks or some kind of loan like this, that is the furthest thing from socialization of anything. People like Ross create jobs, and as a state you want ppl like that in your neck of the woods so to speak. Welcome to the real world, welcome to how our economy works, or rather how it use to work, when it actually worked. I for one want Florida to do well, and to prosper. If we lose ppl and in turn a franchise like the Dolphins we all suffer.

    The highway stuff, is just nonsense!
     
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    Sorry, it is very important what it is used for, it's the point!
     
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    Im from Tampa and I go to Miami pretty often so what do u think I do when I got to Miami
     

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