Tannehill better than Cam Newton?

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  1. umpjacked

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    Ryan Tannehill has had a promising start to his career, much like Cam Newton did last season, but Tannehill is going to live up to his potential—unlike the man who calls himself "Superman".
    Tannehill has the skillset to thrive in the NFL for a long time, and as we've already seen with the Miami Dolphins, he possesses that little "extra something" that makes his teammates better.
    Consider this: Tannehill came within one yard of Newton's rookie passing record in Week 4 on the road against the Arizona Cardinals when he threw for 431 yards against the same defense that stifled Tom Brady and Michael Vick in the teams' two previous games.
    The biggest kicker here is the lack of skill Tannehill has to work with at the wide receiver position. Unlike Newton, who had Steve Smith, Tannehill's No. 1 option is Brian Hartline—a guy who only had four career touchdown catches before his breakout game against the Cardinals.


    Newton plays with absolutely no discipline. He also doesn't pay attention to the little details that make good quarterbacks great. His footwork is terrible, his decision making is always suspect, and if he doesn't change soon, he's never going to live up to his potential.
    Tannehill, on the other hand, is just starting to get into his groove as a quarterback. He isn't blessed with the same level of athleticism as Newton, so he is actually learning how to become a pocket quarterback—something that will pay dividends for him in the long run.
    He stands tall in the pocket and waits for his receivers to work themselves open—displaying uncommon poise under pressure.


    Another reason Tannehill will live up to his potential is that he has an offensive-minded head coach—unlike Newton. Joe Philbin understands how to develop quarterbacks, whereas Ron Rivera doesn't have the first clue.
    Tannehill's career trajectory is going straight up.
    Newton's, on the other hand, is falling flat.
    Once the Dolphins acquire some real weapons for him to work with, Tannehill is going to become a perennial Pro-Bowl quarterback.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...annehill-to-live-up-to-promise-of-rookie-year
     
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    OK, I think everyone needs to chill out a bit. Tannehill is looking good, but he might still have some stinker games coming up. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
     
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    I agree with this. Cam needs to grow up and be more of a leader. I live in NC and thats what everyone around here complains about Cam Newton. I think the panthers are like 1-12 when Cam has a turn over. Once Cam plays bad, its like it all goes down hill. And I dont think Cam has had a game where he led Carolina back from behind to win a game, no fourth quarter comeback wins yet. His Leadership is very suspect and Tannehill definitely shows better leadership already and Tannehill displays better knowledge of defenses and changing plays.

    Bottom line: Cam could rely on his natural talents in College but can't do that in the NFL.
     
  4. Dolphin_Daz

    Dolphin_Daz Dolfan in England

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    Without a doubt he is going to make several more rookie mistakes all year long, but overall there is so much to be excited by with Tannehill. That was just his 4th NFL start and he tore up the Cards D! :)
     
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    I too have seen enough of Tanney in 4 games to determine that he will be a great one.
     
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    :lol: I have never seen such man-love as there is for Tannehill.
     
  7. circumstances

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    i'm assuming gay porn would have lots more man-love than we are showering on tanne...
     
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    it's way too soon to say but either way, Cam ain't all that if you're measuring by "scoreboard"! He's 7-13, with better weapons and his legs ..not to mention a coach who cares with only 3 more TDs than Ints. Hell Matt Moore as a starter on much worse versions of The Panthers is 5-5 with a lame duck burnt out coach. Cam just looks flashy being mediocre. So the answer to that is "no it's too soon but hopefully Tannehill will turn out to be a much superior QB to Newton , make his mediocre team better than Newton has and not steal any laptops along the way!

    ---------- Post added at 07:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 PM ----------


    I have: all the knob slobbering over Luck.
     
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    I'm too busy watching Tannehill and the dolphins to even care about what Newton does.
     
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    newton is too stupid and immature to ever be a great qb.

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    It is way too early to be giving Tanney the crown as Marino's Heir, he looks great so far but the season is not over and many qb's like Cam regress some in their 2nd years. I hope Ryan turns out to be as good as it looks like he can be but I will reserve judgement one way or another for a bit.
     
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    Ever watch ESPN talking Tom Brady? John Madden and Brett Favre?
     
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    how about we wait untill we find out if tanny can do a good job of being the next ryan tannehill before we worry about him being the next marino. On a side not i just got new fins gear and it rocks.
     
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    True, but two of them have earned it...

    Brady = 5 Super Bowls, 3 SB victories, 126-37 win-loss record, 307-116 TD-int ratio, 41,206 yards, 96.5 QB rating

    Favre = 2 Super Bowls, 1 SB victory, 186-112 win-loss record, 508-336 TD-int ratio, 71,838 yards, 86.0 QB rating

    One hasn't...

    Tannehill = 0 Super Bowls, 0 SB victories, 1-3 win-loss record, 2-6 TD-int ratio, 1,046 yards, 66.4 QB rating

    I am all for Tannehill getting love, but I just think he should EARN it first.
     
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    Tannehill is already better than Newton. Why? Because he's not a giant ****.
     
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    Really? I know one guy who has a phat one for Matt Ryan
     
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    It's ironic to criticize Cam for being flashy but mediocre when Tannehill is flashy but only has two passing TD's and a single win.
     
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    Actually what's more ironic is the anti-Tannehill rainmen, either because they're still whacking off to Luck or Ryan, or have their tools embedded deeply in Moore, disingenuously trying to compare a rookie
    *who just had the best under pressure performance record in 4 years against one of the premier defenses in the league
    *while throwing for over 400 yards
    *in his ****ing 4th game,
    *conscientiously putting in the time to get better,
    *working with limited skilled resources

    with a prima dona who wants to be an "entertainer" starting last season something like 2-10, sporting a career .350 winning percentage with a decent team over 20 games. Man on man, that's as transparent as an unpixelated Michelle Ryan cooter shot!

    Can you say anti-Fins, anti-Tannehill's success "hater agenda?" (same difference)
     
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    *still lost the game because of two turnovers, one late in the 4th and the other in ot pretty much sealing the loss

    It's not anti-Tannehill to be anti-annointing. Let's see him actually win a close game first.
     
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    hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha your Nostradamus Paper is hilarious!
     
  21. WVDolphan

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    Since when is declaring a QB to be better than Cam Newton considered "getting ahead of ourselves"? Cam Newton ****ing blows. Geez. I would hope you consider Tannehill better than Newton. If he isnt, were in ****ing trouble.
     
  22. hoops

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    ha ha...newton blows huh wv...:rolleyes2: cause you never endorsed him i take it...

    leave it to bleacher report to throw out some really assanine definitive statements 4 games into a rookie season no less...
     
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    I will stick with Tannehill. I like substance over flash. I prefer someone who is a leader over someone who sulks on the bench when he is having a bad game. Hope Cam enjoys thumping his chest, all of the commercials, and pretending to be Superman or whatver it is that he does.
     
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    Nah. He blows because he isnt very good. He turns the ball over on the reg. Fumbles way too often. His intermediate passing is hot garbage.

    I never endorsed him thats for sure. I get the feeling you did though.
     
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    nothng against tannehill but 35 tds as a rookie...yeah he's not on that kind of pace...

    i do think we have a franchise qb though...but banging on cam newton now is just bull ****...that kid can play and he's gonna be making plays and a franchise cornerstone for carolina for the next decade...

    there's definitely things about tanny's game i like more though right now...the decision making i mean that's about as good as it gets to date...
     
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    Apparently no criticism of Tannehill is allowed around here.
     
  28. endorPHINS72

    endorPHINS72 Restore the greatness!

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    It seems there are quite a few people out there that are rooting for Cam Newton to fail. Why? It's not like he plays for a division rival. I don't get it.

    ---------- Post added at 12:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:33 AM ----------

    Ryan Tannehill is going to be a good QB and I believe Cam Newton is as well.
     
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    *kicker or DBs did there jobs and there'd be no ****ing OT. Oh did I say 4th game, best performance under pressure since '08 and 400yds? Oh did I mention 4th start ever? Not 20th. 6 interceptions but 3 in the last 3 games. In their last 3 games: Flacco (3), Dalton (3), Luck(4), Rivers(6), Bradford(4), Brees(3), Cutler(3), Eli(4), Newton(3), Romo(7), Russel Wilson(3). Last I looked, with the exception of Wilson and Luck, these are experienced QBs beyond their 4th games, most with WRs like Steve Smith, Bryant, Green, Gates, Marshall, etc. But if based on your agenda you wanna also count the first game ever in the enemy territory of '12 second best pass defense and #1 batted ball defense iwhile ignoring the improvement since, then that says more about you than it does T17,.

    I don't understand it, but if you get your jollies rooting against the most promising QB we've had under center since #13 because he's not your choice, then knock yourself out.

     
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    IN before someone says because he is black. Which Im pretty sure is what youre either suggesting or looking for someone to answer with.

    But, thats all BS. I can list some obvious reasons as to why people dont like Cam.

    1) He stole laptops. Pretty pathetic. Shows his character.

    2) Everyone knows his dad shopped him around to colleges.

    3) The whole Superman thing. That ridiculous endzone thing he does. When he did that trailing by a ton of points late in a game, it just demonstrates how he markets himself and puts that ahead of the team. This may lend itself to going 6-10. Put up nice stats and still lose games on the reg.

    Also, the whole Superman thing is so played. Shaq, Dwight Howard, countless other players, the whole Batman and Robin **** whenever 2 good players are on a team together. Just the whole comic book hero act. Its ****ing played already.

    4) Labeling himself as an "Icon and an Entertainer". Again, points to how he wants to market himself. But, selling himself is not something he ever did before the NFL. :err: Hey, there is nothing wrong with marketing yourself and trying to get your money up, but some wonder if this is sometimes done at the teams expense.

    5) His whole demenor. Towel on his head etc etc.. People dont like a lot of that ****.

    So there you go. Now before anyone else wants to throw the race thing out there just because its so easy to do that, ask yourself why so many people seem to not like Jay Cutler. Has to be because he is black..... right? Cant be about his play or his attitude. Because he has proven much more as a player in this league than Newton has so far. If Jay Cutler were white, he wouldnt get so much hate.

    Edit: Oh, and Deion Sanders dosent help much either. Cam being dramatically overrated by the media also has no effect on why people hate on him.
     
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    tannehills ability to read the defense pre and post snap and set up his protections are pretty much what should have all of us giddy about this kid...it's so hard to find a bad decision on this kids tape despite pretty much pedestrian weapons to work with that i can't help but think that this kids not only gonna be legit but like top 5 level nfl qb in short order...we ask him to do so much in this offense it's just crazy to me that he can do things at such a high level already...and coming off 19 starts in college...how just damn high is this kids ceiling in this league??? it's crazy i know that...and not to mention he's also a plus athlete that we have barely scratched the surface on in that regard...hard not to be all smiles here...
     
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    How old are you?...this reminds me of Marino's rookie year and the love he got to a certain degree.

    This is pretty much what happens in any city when the fanbase feels they have finally landed a franchise QB, particullary after a franchise has suffered and endured years of journeyman QB'ing.
     
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    Hopefully you're right. Incredibly there are some around here who can't look a potential gifthorse in the mouth because he wasn't the horse they had in the "race." and will either take issue with your eval or just ignore it in favor of highlighting rookie mistakes over 4 whole starts.

    I think it's important to understand that after his first game vs Houston in Houston, he's only thrown 3 Ints although his detractors like to hold the first 3 against him like he was Tony Romo experienced.
     
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    He was thrown out of Florida for cheating and stealing from a teammate. His father shook down MSU. I don't buy for a second that Cam didn't know he was doing it. Why would he commit to MSU and then commit to Auburn? Everybody knew that his dad tried to get money from Mississippi State for him to play there, and everybody knows that someone affiliated with Auburn probably paid Cam Newton's family for him to go there instead. Everybody knows he cheated at Florida academically and then transferred so he wouldn't have to pay the price. Everyone knows he stole a laptop at Florida.


    He is a crooked douche bag. I don't care if he is the greatest player to play the game, I am going to dislike him. A lot of people are sick of watching bad people be praised, while good people work hard and don't get the pay, the rewards, the attention, etc, that they deserve. Cam Newton is an exact example of this. Anyone talking about Tannehill's record for most passing yards by a rookie on the road? Nope but last year Cam's rookie passing yards record for one game vs Green Bay last year was talked about forever. Cam is a joke.
     
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    those tips against houston were more about jjwatt than anything else...the guys playing at a defensive mvp level...he tipped 3 more balls week 2...i only really give tannehill true credit with one int thus far the roll out pick 6 by laron landry where he expected him to drop...

    only real thing i would like to see get better is some of the accuracy needs to be better on some throws...he's missed a few things he needs to hit to play at a franchise level...but the decision making and decision making against pressure...it doesn't get much better...it's way way beyond a rookie i know that
     
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    So, would you still be saying the same thing about earning it first if we had drafted Luck, RG3 or Wilson?

    This is a post of yours in May 2012 and before a single game was played. How do you come to the conclusion that Tannehill is a worse QB than Luck and RG3 if neither had the chance to earn anything?
    http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...-Class&p=1064318354&highlight=#post1064318354


    Again, back in April/May 2012 you said...
    http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...ing-QB&p=1064313398&highlight=#post1064313398

    http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...-draft&p=1064287505&highlight=#post1064287505


    Leads me to believe that you were on the Flynn/Wilson bandwagon. If we had signed Flynn and/or drafted Wilson, would they have to earn it first too?
    Maybe your QB evaluation skills are not as good as you liked them to be (from April 2012):
    http://www.finheaven.com/forums/sho...-Henne&p=1064303979&highlight=#post1064303979
     
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    funny how you think stats are relevant to what I had to say..... Apparently can't identify sarcasm when you see it, a lot of wasted research there buddy
     
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    The difference between the two IMO is that Cam wants to be the reason why his team won the game, he's a "me" person, he loves accolades and wants to be in the spot lights, Tannehill on the other hand is trying to fit into a scheme, he has plenty of skills but I think he uses them as a last resort because the team will benefit from it. He's not a "Me" person.
     
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    The main difference between Cam and Tanny is between the ears. Cam is the overall more athletic player, but Tanny is the smarter one. Not playing a race card here BTW. Tanny reminds me of Brady or Manning presnap, a field general with more athleticism than either. Not saying he is elite, but he has the tools and smarts to be so. And this is after 23 starts at QB, college included. How can we not be high on the ceiling for this kid.

    And nice job calling out Adam, as stated before some are gonna hate because Tanny wasn't their guy

    Also I wasn't sold on Tanny as a QB when we drafted him, liked the potential but it seemed like a reach at #8. Glad we had Sherman on-board to help evaluate him
     
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    I'll take his maturity over Newton's. That's for sure.
     

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