The Case for Brandon Weeden

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  1. steviey013

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    Ok, he's 28 years old. So what. Matt Flynn is 26. We aren't getting Robert Griffin. Here are some reasons to draft Brandon early in the second round.
    1. Very accurate passer with a nice gun. Threw for over 4200 yds last season
    2. 6'4" 226 lbs - Robert Griffin is 6'1" / Matt Flynn is 6'2"
    3. Mature and experienced athlete who could be our starter for 10 years.
    4. We don't have to sell the farm to get him and he allows us to draft BPA in the 1st round.

    Some realistic picks for us in round 1 are Trent Richardson, Quinton Coples, Micheal Floyd, Morris Claiborne...I cannot see us reaching for Landry Jones or Tannehill.
    If we pick him in the 2nd round then I can overlook the age factor and he can push or start over Matt Moore in year one.
     
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    I agree. If you think he is an elite QB, then draft him and get a good 5-8 years of elite play out of him. That is a long time to have the most important position covered. It also buys you time to get a replacement ready for him on down the line. I think the age thing is overblown. If he is elite, get him.
     
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    Nobody is drafting Weeden in the second round write it down
     
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    Landry Jones is staying in school and have you not been watching the dolphins for the past ten years?? We have BEEN drafting qbs in the second round and giving up second round picks for back up qbs that's why we haven't been the slightest bit successful and frankly I'm sick of it. We need to draft a qb high and that includes trading the farm to get one. Good qbs don't last long so I say we pick our guy and go get him. I would throw everything we got at the colts honestly luck is going to be a stud.
     
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    Agreed. College is a bubble children play in. You can't overlook Weeden's age. Every QB who has made it in the NFL at an advanced age was out in reality for several years before making it. I think teams realize a developmental point is lost with older QB prospects. I see him going 3rd or later.
     
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    I like the idea of getting him if noting could be worked out to get one of the other two. Some people in the media say that he would go much higher if not for his age.
     
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    If a team like the Jets are ready to move on from Mark Sanchez, I could easily see them reaching for a guy like Weeden in a QB league.
     
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    are you saying he will go sooner or later than the 2nd? I was thinking the 2nd sounds about right. At 28, he should go later but they always overvalue QBs
     
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    I guess people forget who Chris Weinke was. he was damn good probably every bit as good or better than Weeden and he was drafted in 4th round. The age will hurt his draft and you can also write down the jets wont be drafting qb high
     
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    I know you aren't grouping the Dolphins in with "they."

    :lol:
     
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    At 28 he will go no earlier than 3rd round his age makes him a huge risk
     
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    I get that. But this league is different now. The QB is so valuable and the league is designed to benefit the QB position. It's much easier today for a college QB to transition to the league and be impactful. The Jets have a lot more pieces than Carolina did when they took Weinke. Age will certainly hurt his draft stock and the OP mentioning that Flynn is 26 is irrelevant. You can get a younger Flynn off the market on the cheap. If you take Weeden you're having to spend a valuable draft pick.
     
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    I don't think you can compare Weinke's noodle arm with Weeden's gun. He has a fastball and put it on national display at the Fiesta Bowl.
     
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    age esp at qb hurts draft stock esp in todays nfl
     
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    In no way am I saying draft Weeden in the first or second round lol. I don't want Weeden because of his age. It's very risky IMO.

    But a team like the Jets who take a lot of risks...wouldn't surprise me one bit.
     
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    we take more risks in draft than they do
    pat white, hartline,misi,murphy,
     
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    I guess they forget who Roger Staubach and Warren Moon were too.
     
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    Terrible choices aren't risks man. Taking Sanchez in the top 10 was a risk (which delightfully turned into a flop). Phins make bad choices, but no team that takes a C at 15 should ever be considered risky.
     
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    was talking overall talent and coming out of college nobody was saying Weinke had a weak arm. Believe me when i say it I have paid attention to the draft as well as any on here and and Weeden will go earliest in third round
     
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    Pat White huge risk we already had a young qb and we drafted way too high worst draft choice ever, Hartline much lower rated we took him much earlier than expected has been a solid player but huge risk. Murphy way overdrafted him so quite risky. Wilson out of montanna although a late pick still a risk on a guy who was never really a prospect even before he got in trouble, pleasent suprise probably a solid special teams and dime player for a while. We play it safe when we shoudnt and take unecessary risks like trading up to get Thomas with some good backs still on board while passing up the more logical risk of trading up for mallet.
     
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    Those are more dumb decisions than risks. No one ever looked at Pat White, Brian Hartline, etc., and said this dude could be a home run.

    Weeden could be. And the Jets are more likely to gamble and take a risk on a QB home run than we are. They did it with Mark Sanchez. Dolphins are drafting scared.
     
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    Maybe we trade down a few spots in the 2nd and take him near the bottom of the round. If we wait till the 3rd I bet he's gone.
     
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    Pat White huge risk we already had a young qb and we drafted way too high worst draft choice ever, Hartline much lower rated we took him much earlier than expected has been a solid player but huge risk. Murphy way overdrafted him so quite risky. Wilson out of montanna although a late pick still a risk on a guy who was never really a prospect even before he got in trouble, pleasent suprise probably a solid special teams and dime player for a while. We play it safe when we shoudnt and take unecessary risks like trading up to get Thomas with some good backs still on board while passing up the more logical risk of trading up for mallet.

    even though we as dolphin fans want to call Sanchez a flop, top this point he is not . he has had some bad moments but he is a young qb that is a good leader and has played well at times.He is still a very young guy 25 and has the ability to get better. There is no doubt in NY that he is their starter next year unlike us not knowing from year to year what to do at qb. Is he a superstar hell no at this point but he is far from a flop. How many times has been benched or lost his starting job. Henne so far can be considered a flop and Moore flopped in Carolina although he seems quite revitalized at this moment here but he will have to produce over a full season for anyone to be a believer. i think people assume all qb;s come in from day one and play lights out because some have done it but not every qb is given three years to sit and learn like Rodgers. if rodgers had played from day one who knows what the outcome would have been

    Wouldnt let me edit for some reason
     
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    Oh well I mean do you really want to spend a second round pick on a qb that will be 29 around week 5 of next year. hell No. i dont mind drafting Weeden Im all for giving a guy a chance but wasting a second round pick on a way overaged qb prospect is beyond a bad idea.
     
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    I guess it depends on your definition of risk. Pat White was such a stupid choice and the probability of success so low it's like jumping out of a plane without a parachute. It's pretty ****ing risky. Moving up to take DT with Murray on the board. It's stupid first of all. Secondly, RB was a need and DT was rated in the 2nd-3rd rounds. Mallett would have been riskier. It's a riskier position and the fact that everyone else had passed on him would have demanded courage to take him.
     
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    Exactly. That's why Pat White wasn't a risk. We made that pick and we all just kinda "WTF?!"

    Everyone knew that was an awful pick. Had we got him in the 5th round...yeah, that's a risk worth taking. In the second round that's nothing more than a waste of a pick.
     
  27. dlockz

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    whats funny is so many absolve Ireland for the pick because Parcells said it was his pick but I have read no where that Ireland did not recommend the guy or didnt agree with the pick
     
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    People blame everyone because they really know who to blame. When Parcells was here, Ireland was a puppet and Tony couldn't develop the talent. Ireland had a pretty good draft last year but with Parcells gone, people gotta blame someone for those bad drafts when Parcells was here.
     
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    Puppet or not he is the one that advises Parcells on prospects. I think its just convenient to say well Parcells was to blame for all the bad picks but now we are ok , or Sparano is no longer here so the rest of the staff is just fine he is the sole reasons for three losing seasons, or Henne is no longer here, moore is good enough to take us to the playoffs
     
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    I don't want Brandon Weeden at all.

    The OP cited his accuracy, probably in large part to his high completion percentage, but I think that is misleading. If you watch his games than you see he doesn't have the greatest ball placement in the world and I think that will hurt him a lot when he gets out of a system offense and has smaller windows to throw into.
     
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    Eh, I meant to say people blame everyone because they DON'T know who to blame. Half asleep I guess.

    But that's the problem. When Parcells was here, people said Ireland was a puppet. Then when Parcells' picks began flopping the room was split with Parcells supporters who said Tony couldn't develop what Parcells was giving us and then others just wanted Parcells fired. Parcells leaves and then people target Ireland even though Ireland's picks by himself were better than what Parcells gave. People just want to blame someone and they don't know enough about anything to really blame anyone. Parcells' failures shouldn't come as a surprise after what he was doing in Dallas. He's just too old fashioned and he's set in his ways and he refuses to adapt to the changes in today's NFL and more importantly today's player. I'm willing to give Ireland one more draft. I don't think he's as bad as what people make him out to be.
     
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    Exactly. With Sanchez faltering, Weeden is a prime candidate to replace him, plug and play. Rex Ryan wants to win now- Weeden's age won't deter him if Ryan feels that he's the right QB to step in.
     
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    Completely agree with you! Too much of a reach for this kid he's not going anywhere until the forth at best...
     
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    I would draft Weeden in the 3rd round if he's there if we didnt get a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. No ealier than the 3rd though.
     
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    How can M.Sanchez not be considered a flop? In his third year his team is getting worse not better and as a QB his decision making has not improved one bit. He was a top five pick that blows junks unless he has a great defense and a great oline with a top running game. What QB in the league can't win with that???? Dilfer and Johnson won Superbowls with that and aren't half the QB M.Sanchez is suppose to be!

    You can't compared Weeden to older QB's of the past that were drafted in later rounds. They were drafted in later rounds because their value dropped in a league that thought rookie QB's needed to sit for 3 years before playing. We are now in an era of rookie QB's sitting for 1/2 a season before starting let alone starting right off the bat not. This makes the value of an older rookie QB to still be high. Weeden will get selected in the bottom end of the first or the top of the 2nd because of the talent he is.
     
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    The 3rd-4th is where he should go, I just think someone will reach
     
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    lol, not the Dolphins of late, that is for sure
     
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    I agree. 5-8 years of good QB play is more then we had since 1999.
     
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    Weinke had arm troubles at FSU. He sat out a couple of practices with a "dead arm". Coupled with his infamous temper nets a 4th round pick.


    Weeden has zero in common with Weinke
     
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    It's not misleading. Weeden is extremely accurate, I don't know of a college QB who is more so. He was off with a few throws against Stanford, but overall Weeden has been tremendously accuracte all year.
     

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