The Dolphins’ Jarvis Landry has some cryptic tweets. Let’s try to make sense of them

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  1. Phinatic8u

    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    Or if he doesn't have the option to throw dump offs to a slow slot WR he may get better..Replacing Landry with a more explosive slot WR would be ideal..especially at 14 million..If his demands were reasonable then by all means bring him back.
     
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    Lol. NE is not paying him his asking price. Zero chance.
     
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    This is what people keep missing. You have to look at what you’re foregoing by paying him. There may be better value for that $$ out there.
     
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    We'll see. I'm over talking about it to be honest. I'm at the let him walk, watch it go disastrously, and wait for the 'if Thill only had _____' threads phase.

    Landry is crap only on this forum. I just hope everyone realizes that.
     
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    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    Let me say it one more time..

    I like Landry, I don't like his antics. "heart and soul of the offense" is the dumbest thing I've seen people say about a player, how many other offenses is the slot WR or the WR in general the heart of the offense. He does nothing great, he's slow, lazy with routes and has a anger problem that costs us more yards per game than points Miami can score and that guy wants 14+ million a year.

    At 10? I'd love to bring him back, but if he's not gonna drop that price then throw the transition tag on him and see what the market dictates..doubt it'll be anywhere near 14 million.
     
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    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    That's because we see him every game..The common fan knows him as OBJ's bestie.
     
  7. Phinatic8u

    Phinatic8u Adam ****ing Gase

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    I'd even take Ridley to man the slot and watch Miami's offense go up a notch in terms of explosiveness..
     
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    all you guys saying you dont care if he is back or not or he is this or that will miss him if he is not here
     
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    I don't want to lose Landry or greatly overpay to keep him but if he does leave maybe it's possible that Caroo shows he really does have something. The same way that once Drake finally got a chance to really prove himself he showed that he was better than Ajayi.
     
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    Love that when it seems like we will lose Landry he is suddenly hated by all of FH. Give me a break. Guy plays his heart and soul every week for the Fins and wants to win. He is setting NFL records and always brings his 100% each game. But now fans hate him and want him gone?
     
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    Not as much as I'd regret overpaying him and adding yet another bloated contract to the payroll, crippling the team's ability to improve in other areas.
     
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    Funny how all of the Landry supporters never mention the money, aside from implying they'd give him whatever he wants.

    Nobody here wouldn't keep Landry at a reasonable salary. Landry wants more than a reasonable salary.
     
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    BINGO!
     
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    There have been a lot of people critical of Landry, or less than enamored with Landry, for a while now. Even though I think his personal foul antics are certainly worth considering, let's put those aside for the moment and look solely at his play as a receiver during the whistle.

    I think he's a good player, but I'm very open to the idea that Miami could allocate the cap resources the team would spend on Landry to another position on the team, and then see what Grant or Carroo -- or a draft pick -- could do in the slot. For instance, if you told me right now that we would draft Braxton Berrios (and note: I am not a UM fan), I'd say "Good luck, Jarvis." Why? Because I think that player can run the same routes we ask Landry to run, and we probably won't lose much effectiveness, and he's projected as a 4th(?) round draft pick.

    So no, I don't feel that the role he plays is irreplaceable, or even close to it. Good player? Yes. Worth 12+ million dollars annually against our cap as a guy who runs crossers, flares, and screens? No!
     
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    That's the main obstacle the way I see it at this point, so I'm assuming some are for franchising and paying that huge amount.?
     
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    I want him at a fair price which in my eyes would be top slot plus incentives to make more...for instance yds, td, etc. No way he gets top 3 wr bucks, no can do.
     
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    It won't even be 12 JDW if he signs long term IMO. again we all know its about the guaranteed monies etc.. but I bet he won't sign for that..

    sign me up for a Braxton-

    btw did anyone see this..

    Ryan McDowell‏Verified account @RyanMc23 31 Dec 2017
    Texans RB Lamar Miller has been a rumored cap cut. He has one carry while Alfred Blue has 14 touches and a touchdown.
     
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    Kinda hard with him being a free agent, but perhaps we could shop him around for no less than a 2nd and if we find a buyer we can do a sign and trade.
     
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    Landry is gone. And I doubt we miss him one bit. Ask yourself what is truly special about his game? The fact he breaks a few tackles or makes a highlight reel one handed grab on a 4 yard crosser? He gets the lion's share of targets and therefore generates yardage at a dismal average. Remember even Brian Hartline had two 1k seasons when he was getting most of the targets.

    Paying Landry is setting yourself up for the same plodding offense that is forced to run through him, not to mention hamstringing the team from acquiring other talent.

    And for those concerned about NE signing him, yeah, it's possible, if Landry is willing to take 8-9M/yr to play for a championship. I highly doubt that.
     
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    If Dion Sims and Lamar Miller get cut, I'd love to bring them both back to Miami.
     
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    I could see San Fran being in the mix
     
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    Dion Sims was a very underrated player in Miami...HE could easily upgrade what Fasano did.
     
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    I felt like Sims really blossomed in 2016 when we did a better job of getting him space in the passing game (i.e. he wasn't stuck holding hands with 3 other guys running shallow crossers) and he had the chance to get the ball in his hands and run with it. The first couple of times he looked confused, like "Wait a second, I have green grass here?" but then you could really see him just rediscover how to run north and south and use his size. Watching him truck DBs down the sideline was glorious.
     
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    they already tried jakeem grant in the slot the year before last in camp etc and it was a massive failure. gase basically said in a much nicer way his football iq wasn't high enough for it

    option routes and 2 way goes aren't for everybody
     
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    Well he's said that about Landry, too.
     
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    he said juice has a low football iq?

    wow...I don't see it anywhere near that way
     
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    I just read earlier today Gase saying that you can play Grant "outside, inside or even line him up at RB"

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    well last year he said it was too much thinking for him or something along those lines...maybe things have changed
     
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    Well, remember when Gase in his presser said his "best players" didn't take their work home and study football? And that was after the game where Landry took a couple of option routes straight into coverage and Moore actually threw em correctly, so they were way off?

    And then we saw that Gase admitted he was dumbing down the offense because "his best players" couldn't be trusted with the offense but he wanted to get them the ball? Look at how we use Landry with all the damn screens and flares just to get him the ball.

    All I'm saying is, I think there's a strong correlation there. More than the dumb personal fouls or perceived value, it's the reason why I'm OK with the team moving on from Landry. If the choice is between Gase running his offense to its highest potential, or Miami having 'sparkplug' Jarvis Landry, I think I am going to choose Gase on this one.

    I guess where I'm at on this subject is that I agree Jarvis Landry is a good football player, but i don't think he is a great one. But he wants to be paid like he is...
     
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    I'd like to see the gif evidence of those plays with moore where juice ran the wrong option route

    anybody has the gifs please provide them

    I couldn't delete this years game tapes fast enough
     
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    LeBron James has made it impossible to try and dissect an athlete's mind on social media. Not touching this one with a ten foot pole.

    I don't even understand the purpose of that click bait article. There's one tweet in there that has room for discussion. Everything else doesn't even need an explanation.

    Our sports media people are the ****tiest in the nation. By far.
     
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    A major indicator here is that the FO did not resign him last year. If they thought he was gold, they would have inked him.
    I'm either way with Landry AND his expected salary. For all his antics and penalties, he has much better upside than down.
    This is all going to come down to money. He wants to get paid. And there's not a thing we fans can do about it except for wait and watch.
     
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    Our ever changing team. He even said today that he likes Stills inside too. Imo just because somebody lines up inside doesn't mean we have to run the bubble screen for them. I like having Parker, Stills and Grant all out there at the same time because all 3 can score from anywhere. That's not normally the case with Landry

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Look, I think Landry is an exceptional player. I truly do. But I also think he shouldn't be paid 14 mil a year. Davante Adams got a new contract but Landry isn't as dynamic as Adams. If we could get a true #1 to pair with Landry that would be ideal. But honestly we aren't going to get a true #1 if we are paying Landry 14 mil. He essentially becomes our #1 WR. A WR that doesn't run deep routes or even deep-ish intermediate routes. He doesn't have the long speed nor long strides to break away at that distance.

    And Grant can't play the slot. He's an X or Z. A True #1 would be Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Dez Bryant, Josh Gordon, etc. Bryants a little old but he was open a lot with Prescott throwing terrible passes. IF we paired someone like that with Landry, he would be amazing for us. I would take Keenan Allen over Landry 10/10 times as well.
     
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    He was talking about Landry, I believe. Still has extremely high IQ and usually runs his option routes/reads coverages correctly.
     
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    Lol I don't care enough nor have the patience to break down his tweets. If he wants to go, he can go. How's that for analysis? No need to handle your business in public. These millenials, man.
     
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    I'm a huge Grant fan, but we will definitely miss Landry if he moves on.

    IMHO, the plan isn't going to be to replace him with another slot per set. I think the plan would be to build up the TE position and play 1 TE most of the time and 2 TE's fairly often. Gase wants a seam mismatch at TE, and he needs a versatile guy with size who can pass-protect, run block, and be a red zone target. I think that Gase wouldn't have ever drafted Landry because he is speed-limited. But, he's a heck of a player, with strong motivational leadership skills, so Gase used him to the fullest. But, I will not be at all surprised if Gase phases him out in favor of a seam threat TE and a lot of 2 TE sets.

    Prepare to invest in the TE position in both the draft and free agency. Just a hunch.
     
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    Gase was talking about Ajayi in that presser.
     

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