The Facts: Brady and Bellichick are vastly overrated

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  1. DolphinFanMD

    DolphinFanMD Active Member

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    Brady is 59-15 vs the AFC East in his career:

    22-2 vs the Bills
    18-6 vs Jets
    17-7 vs the Dolphins

    Divisional games are usually a crap shoot for most teams, but not for the Pats in the Brady era. With a .797 winning percentage vs. the division Brady has averaged a 5-1 record in division every year. In essence Brady starts every year knowing that all he has to do is win 6-8 games vs non-divisional opponents to get a first round bye.

    Lets dig deeper-

    Buffalo Bills since 2001 (Brady's first season)

    Record: 80-127,
    6 Head Coaches-Williams,Mularkey,Juaron, Fewell, Gailey, Marrone
    7 QB's- Van Pelt, Bledsoe, Holcomb, Losman, Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Manuel
    0 divison titles, 0 playoff appearances

    Miami Dolphins since 2001
    Record: 96-112
    7 Head Coaches: Wannstedt, Bates, Saban, Cameron, Sparano, Bowles, Philbin
    9 QB's: Fiedler, Feeley, Frerrotte, Harrington, Lemon, Pennington, Henne, Tannehill
    1 divisional title (Brady tore his ACL), 2 playoff appearances, 0 playoff wins

    New York Jets since 2001
    Record 104-104
    3 Head Coaches: Edwards, Mangini, Ryan
    6 QB's-Testaverde, Pennington, Bollinger, Favre, Sanchez, Smith
    1 divisional title, 6 playoff appearances, 6 playoff wins

    New England Patriots
    Record 158-50
    1 Head Coach: Bellichick
    2 QB's: Brady, Cassel
    11 division titles, 11 playoff apperances, 18 playoff wins, 3 Superbowls, 5 conference championships


    Correct me if I'm wrong but the only QB who made the Pro Bowl on the Jets, Bills, or Dolphins in 13 seasons has been Brett Favre.

    Imagine if Marino didn't have Kelly in his division?

    Manning went up against Air McNair

    Elway vs Montana and Young

    Brady played nobody...The reason they have won so many games is because the AFC E has been historically bad the past decade.
     
  2. Shouright

    Shouright A True Fan

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    Oh my lord.
     
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    BahamaFinFan78 A True Fan

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    Part of this premise is correct; the Pats have not had much competition within their own division. Or perhaps the teams have been so bad because they are having to face the Patriots. It has been amazing how most parts up in New England change, but if Brady and Belichek are there, they have a winning team. I want opinions on if Brady makes Belichek look good or if Belichek makes Brady look good, or are they both HOF's, or would they both stink separated from each other?
     
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    You know, I dislike Brady and Belichick as much as the next guy but it's not his record against the AFC East that I'm looking at. It's his record against the NFC in the Superbowl.
     
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    Good lord people please stop bringing in meaningless stats just to try and make a point.

    • Look at the records
    • Look at the Wins
    • Look at the Superbowl's
    • Look at the constancy
    • Throw away any meaningless stat that tries to dispute the above.
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  6. Fins1971

    Fins1971 C'mon Dolphins

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    Both have a chance today with a win to top the all time career leading list in the following.

    Brady can join Mike Lodish - Buffalo XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, Denver XXXII, XXXIII and Don Beebe - Buffalo XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, Green Bay XXXI XXXII as the only players to play in 6 Super Bowls.
    Brady can surpass Elway (5) with 6 Super Bowl starts.


    Bellicheat can join Dan Reeves - assistant coach X, XII, XIII, head coach Denver XXI, XXII, XXIV, Atlanta XXXIII as the only coach to coach in 7 Super Bowls.
    Bellicheat can join Tom Landry with 20 playoff victories.

    That being said,

    Go Broncos! :hclap:
     
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    I absolutely despise the Pats esp Brady BUT he is legit and will go down as one of the greatest to ever play the game and I would kill to have a qb like him. Here's hoping the Broncos beat them.
     
  8. DuderinoN703

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    Still that's only a maximum of 6 wins a year assuming they swept the whole division (which they haven't done). Yet they still win 10-14 games a year for 10+ years. In no way is New England overrated.
     
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    How I would love for our Phins to be overrated as they are!
     
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    Ha no kidding.
     
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    Get real.
     
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    Whatever helps you come to grips with the Patriots kicking our teeth in on their way to three Super Bowls.

    The Facts:

    Three Super Bowl titles
    Countless AFC East titles
    MVP Awards for Mr. Overrated
    Methodical coaching that does a lot more with a lot less
     
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    broccoli rob proud of your boy

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    Crying.

    :lol:
     
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    They're not overrated at all. But I'm sure happy as hell they lost today.
     
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    very happy they lost today so we dont have to hear all this "Hooray for Boston" crap
     
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    NE has been the best franchise since 2001, Brady the best QB, BB the best coach(thanks to Brady).
     
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    When u say fact they are overrated u are mistaking fact with opinion
     
  19. Adam Strange

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    Had Belichick come here in 2000, drafted Brady, and then they both proceeded to have the exact same careers as they've had in NE-- the Super Bowl championships, the long, long stretches as division title winners, the consistent double-digit win seasons, etc-- Belichick would have his name on the stadium and assorted highways around town while the Marino statue would have been melted down long ago in order to make the Brady statue.
     

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