the Lions are listening to Offers

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  1. #1dolphinsfan

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    the Lions are listening to offers to trade Roy Williams if they want to get Rid of him i would be more then happy to have him in a dolphins uniform we could give them our First round pick for there first round pick Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers i think that would be a Sweat Deal what do u guys think on if Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers is in a dolphins uniform next year

    Here is the Link saying they will be listening to Offers
    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=35
     
  2. biggiesmalls3k1

    biggiesmalls3k1 How Bout Them Fins?!

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    Ill swap picks and take R. Williams and Rogers in a heartbeat, we'd kill two birds with one stone and still be able to pick up a Legit LT or CB in the 1st round...cmon Bill and Jeff, call them! lol
     
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    I def think it would be a good trade for the team cuz we would be adding two solid players. We are in need at both positions and it would improve the team with the possibility of not giving up much for the two players. I feel that we would be able to get rogers and williams for less than it would take to get chad johnson.
     
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    That is nowhere near fair value for our #1 IMO. Word was that the Lions were looking for a 2nd rounder for Williams (or a defensive player) and that Rogers might be released.

    Using the Draft Value Chart as a reference (I said reference, not gospel) our #1 pick is worth 3000 points. The Lions 1st rounder only carries a value of 1000 points, leaving them 2000 points short. How do you assign a value to Williams, you ask? If they were looking for a 2nd rounder for Williams, you assign him the value of their 2nd rounder seeing that they are trading him to us in place of a 2nd round pick. Their 2nd rounder is worth 450 points, giving the Lions a total of 1,450 points and leaving them well short of fair value.

    I would rather trade a player like Roth or Crowder for Rogers and sign Bryant Johnson via FA.
     
  5. SR 7

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    15th pick, Roy williams a numbr 1 WR, Rogers a NT....for the 1sT? hmm....why not but who does Detroit want in that spot? do they run a 4 3? go dorsey? or in need of McFad? who konws its Detroit loll
     
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    ya exactly. i wuodlnt give a 2nd for Roy tho, unless its our late 2nd. I really want that 32 pick its goin to be a good one due to lots of nice talent around that spot.
     
  7. biggiesmalls3k1

    biggiesmalls3k1 How Bout Them Fins?!

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    i would make the trade happen, but i understand your point like2god...i think that Roy Williams is a 1st Round talent at WR...and we'd still stay in prime territory for a good pick (Williams from Vandy or Cromartie), we'd also pick up a probowl caliber DT who is still young in Rogers...thats just my opinion...
     
  8. Jawamba

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    By the looks of that link he comes on the cheap...obviously he would need a new contract, he is well worth #1 money, Rogers on the other hand "2008: $4.25 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/2), 2009: $5.25 million, 2010: $7 million, 2011: Free Agent" I am ok with that, if Parcells likes him, he would be the key cog of the 3-4

    de - roth/?
    nt- rogers/ that 49er's free agent
    de - holliday/?


    olb - porter
    ilb - crowder
    ilb - ?
    olb - taylor



    Maybe draft gohlston with the lions pick, or that LB

    IMO
     
  9. Phinja

    Phinja You Can't See Me...

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    Wow.

    You guys are talking about pulling a trade with the worst GM in the four major sports, and you are already swinging the deal in THEIR favor?!?

    A guy like Parcells could rob Millen blind! Williams and Rogers can be had for penuts if we really want them. Why give up our greatest asset (#1 overall) for pennies on the dollar? :err:

    I'm glad there are at least SOME clear headed people here... :hi5:
     
  10. Jawamba

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    i see the Lions picking...hm nope no WR's in the draft...maybe they convert mcfadden to wr?
     
  11. Myles Fynch

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    I like that idea, in a "Sammie Smith for Bobby Humphrey" kind of way. At least we save our picks before taking a chance on someone else's disappointment.
     
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    If you take into account the economics of this thing it actually looks like a very good trade. You get Williams and and a mid 1st round pick. You get Williams who is owed about 1.6 million over the next 2 years plus a mid 1st rounder who is going to command @ 15 million in bonus $$$ for a total of about 17 million $$$$ you get a proven young starting WR and more than likely a player who is going to be starting by year 2 at the latest. Under your scenario you would have to give @ 30 million bonus $$$ to the first pick and more than likely about another 5 million in bonus to Bryant. So for about half of the money you basically get the same result. Who could we sign for that additional 17 mil by accepting the trade??? I would do it in a heart beat.



     
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    I hear ya, but you have to break the trade down and look at what it would take to get those players in seperate deals. If the Lions are willing to accept a 2nd rounder for Williams, there is no reason to assign him 1st round value. Same with Rogers, if the Lions would trade him or outright release him, there's no reason to bump his value. And to be honest, Rogers is eating his way right out of the league at this point, his value is lower than what Williams would bring in return because of the weight, the knee injury and drug violation.

    We are a poor team, all we have going for us is the #1 at this point. If we are going to trade our biggest asset, we better make sure we get fair value in return. ;)

    I can't take credit for that idea, that goes to Boomer, KB or ck, I forget which one mentioned it. But I agree, we should be holding onto our draft picks and using them to bring young players to Miami.
     
  14. maralieus

    maralieus Lets get those balls deep!!

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    They will most definitely be going with a WR. I would bet on Early Doucet. The Lions seem to want to stay as bottom feeders as they year after year have bad drafts, they probably dont even have any of the players that they draftd from 2000-04 on their roster. I mean come on how can you be that bad at drafting every year. I can only think of one other team that has consistently failed as miserably as them at drafting over the past decade. That team would be.......Dammit. It's us.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken, I think I read that Williams contract is up after next season, I could be wrong though. But expect him to look for a very lucrative extension before his contract is up, especially if he's traded.

    Would you rather have Chris Long and Bryant Johnson or Williams and a player at #16? I have to go with Long/Johnson.

    I'm not against moving down, I just think that we better get equal value and not let a team rape us of our biggest asset.
     
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    The Lions will not go WR, they are looking to fix their defense this offseason.
     
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    I'd try to squeeze out another pick like their 2nd or 3rd. Their the ones who want to get rid of the players and we might be their best option.
    Our 1st C.Crowder&T.Daniels&M.Roth for Detroits 1st, 2nd, R.Williams & S.Rogers.
    They need lots of defensive help and I believe Ireland/Parcells will want to recycle a lot of people on our team.
     
  18. Breed

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    San Diego's pick and Matt Roth for Roy Williams. Make it happen:)
     
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    Even giving our two seconds for both those players would accomplish exactly what you would want in the draft anyways.Players that step in right away and not only contribute but be impact players.You know what your getting with these guys and there's not a player you would draft in the second that is a forsure pick, let alone someone who can step in with the same impact.I'm only for this because of their ages are prime that we would be getting their best years instead of the past history of our trades getting guys in their tale ends of their careers.
     
  20. padre31

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    Keep in mind, we have the first choice of players who are cut, Rogers may be cut, he would cost us nothing but extra salsbury steak at the cafeteria to claim off of waivers, but if the guy is 370+ and has a bum knee, we could save the Steak...


    Roy Williams? Who was the last player picked up from the Lions who was any good at all? Mike Williams was last seen shoveling down the chow with the the Titans, what would make Roy Williams any different? He washed out with the Lions, and now he will come to Miami and all is well?



    If we could trade one of our disappointments for one of the Lions disappointments straight up, we should hop on the deal, Channing or Roth for Williams would be a good deal for us, otherwise, pass.
     
  21. Breed

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    Please don't compare Roy Williams to Mike Williams. Roy Williams is infinitely better.....
     
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    Maybe we could have the Lions throw in Carlos Rogers as well.....:wink:
     
  23. I am Bane

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    i disagree the trade for the top pick... second rounders maybe, but not #1 how strong that pick can be for us!
     
  24. Breed

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    You mean Shaun Rogers? I wouldn't be against that, if it were the Chargers pick.
     
  25. RonnieBrownTown

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    Why would the want to get rid of one of there best Wide Recivers and shaun rogers
     
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    No, I meant to refer to Charles Rogers:


    He was the #2 overall in 2003, and he busted, so we have 1. Charles Rogers(bust) 2. Mike Williams (bust) 3....

    Why do you suppose a 6-10 team would be interested in trading their supposed #1 Wr?
     
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    I'd take roy and shaun for two of our defenders.
     
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    Mike Williams and Charles Rogers are indeed both busts, but Roy Williams is talented. The lions make a lot of bonehead decisions besides drafting poorly. They trade away talent. Sounds too much like us really. I would trade castaways or our 3rd rounder for him and they might bite on that. I can't think of many teams willing to give up a 2nd for him. Perhaps Atlanta or San Fran. We could get him for a lot less than the 1st overall. I really like the idea of getting a talented player in his prime and still adding Keyshawn. The receivers would look a whole lot better and we could concentrate on our lines.
     
  29. Deof Movestofca

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    On the other hand, Millen might be thinking, "Let's keep drafting WRs with our #1 pick because we're bound to get it right one of these days".
     
  30. I am Bane

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    i loved charles rogers, the guy jsut couldnt stay o nthe field... always hurt. then attitude set in, maybe due to frusturation i dont know.... then he disappeared like Rick Majerus's 6 incher
     
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    throw in ernie simms lb and maybe
     
  32. Krush

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    Nope, Shaun Rodgers probaly will be let go of anyway, Roy Williams what ha he done to warrant a first round pick? Replace Williams with Calvin Johnson.
     
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    WR don't have the trade value of say a QB or LT.

    Roy Williams was been shopped for a 2nd or 3rd depending on whose rumor page.

    BTW:I believe Kevin Jones wants out of Detroit as well.
    Whose going to "run the ball" for Detroit?
     
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    Williams is good, and physical, but Detroit pick is 15th and i don't think there are many impact players in that area that fits the dolphins most pressing needs.
     
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    Tell Detroit we'll take Calvin Johnson, Shaun Rogers and their 1st round pick and then they can have our #1 overall pick. :D
     
  36. DesertEagle1088

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    holy crap just hearing that made me excited everywhere... LOL that would be the best possible deal i could ever dream of
     
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    Just the thought of Calvin Johnson playing opposite of Ted Ginn and another young promsing WR. And to think of having Shaun Rogers clogging up lanes in the running game and still having a 1st round pick this year would be great!!!
     
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    We need to stop dreaming. We don't need a player who takes a lot of plays off in Rodgers and is lazy. Williams would be good player for our first 3rd round pick but nothing more. Parcells isn't going to take on problem players when trying to build for the future.
     
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    Rodgers can be lazy but when he does kick it in gear he's a big tough S.O.B. who can stifle the inside running game
     
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    I agree, Parcells probably wouldn't want Rodgers because he seems to only play in high gear when he feels like it. He's a Coach Killer
     

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