Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by 0000001, Jan 26, 2006.
A Yankee and Patriot fan? Man... are you the devil?
I'm a BIG Celtics fan. I root for the Bruins too, but I'm not that big of a hockey fan.
Anyway, goodluck this year, I'm gonna try to stay to the Red Sox thread so we don't have an utter warzone in this forum..
I'm waiting until the "L.A. Angels of Greater California of the United States of America of the Earth" thread gets started so I have a home...
Starting an Oakland A's thread would be kind of lonely. I'm going to do my best to make the Angles thread an A.L. West thread...can't let the Angels think they own the division just yet.
Who gives a damn about the name anyway. Such a stupid problem...
Yankee fan right here. We're doing it this year.
Yankees and Pats fan??? Does not compute...
The Yankees are garbage. Go Braves!
u mean the Official Drink of Peyton Manning
You're right , it's so boring to win your division 14 years straight. It gets pretty old. It's horrible for baseball to see a team that knows how to use a farm system. They don't have all of the big names of the yankees, but you're completely wrong about them being a boring team. Last season they had one of the hottest rookies in the NL, Jeff Francoer emerging. Not to mention the season Andruw Jones had. Smoltz did pretty good too.
come on scumba i mean yankee fans u can't let the red soxs thread be bigger lol
Maybe not this year but by the end of Damons contract, Crisp will be the better player by far. He was not far of Damon last year and now instead of hitting in front of some decent Clev. hitters he will be trotting around the bases plenty with Manny and Ortiz.
Coco is a very good player. But he ain't in Cleveland anymore. Will he DIE under the pressure of Boston (like Edgar) or will he continue to improve (like Boston is banking on).
Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
Believe it or not not every player dies under the pressure of Boston or New York. David Ortiz didn't, Papelbon didn't. Robbie Cano didn't. Wang didn't.
You're right, he's not in Cleveland anymore, he'll be protected in a better line up and playing in front of sell out crowds every day. That right there should motivate a young guy like Crisp and make him better.
You listed 3 or 4 players that didn't. I can name 3 or 4 players that did. Vazquez, Edgar, Contrases...etc
Point is, AS I ORIGINALLYSAID, time will tell whether he dies under the pressure or not. Nobody knows yet. Time will tell.
(do you like to argue stupid points just for the sake of arguing? Seems that way :shakeno: )
Yes, especially with you :
I could name more than just 3 or 4 players that handled the pressure of Boston or NY, as well as others that couldn't handle the pressure. That wasn't my point though.
My point about Coco Crisp was that he was good in Cleveland and now he's going to Boston where he's going to be protected in the line up by big bats and is going to be a big fan favorite in Boston. Also playing for sell out crowds and for a winner motivates players, especially a guy like Crisp who seems to feed off of the crowd and has a positive attitude.
Like you will be watching for Coco Crisp to flop, we will be waiting for the Kyle Farnsworth blow up. Until they play under the pressure you just can't tell, but if he plays like he has before, he will have no problem becoming a fan favorite. I think there is a much greater chance of a Kyle Farnsworth flop than Crisp falling over the edge.
Good point, however I don't think you can even compare Crisp with Farnsworth.
Farnsworth has had numerous mental break downs in Chicago, which lead to him being shipped out. The Cub F.O. didn't think he had the mental toughness to deal in pressure situations. I'd be shocked if Farnsworth didn't turn into Jeff Weaver 2K6 or worse. The guy is unstable, you can't deny that.
Crisp has never had that or his mental status questioned. From all reports I read from Cleveland writers and now former players of his he was well liked and had a great attitude. Also listening to him on WEEI, he seemed like a good kid and had respect for the game. Also I'm sure many people will say Crisp never played in pressure situations which is half true/half untrue. He did play great when Cleveland was in the playoff race,(from redsox.com): "Crisp closed the season by batting .331 (40-for-121) with six homers, 16 RBIs and 18 runs in his final 29 games, beginning Sept. 2."
Also interesting note: Damon was at today's Ranger/Penguin game and when they showed him on the big screen MSG booed him. Damon is going to have a tough 4 years in my opinion in NY.
ok, fair enough. Nobody thought Edgar was going to FLOP last year in Boston! You can't predict these things when it comes to these 2 teams is all I am saying.
I will admit to not seeing the Edgar flop coming. I thought St. Louis was a real baseball town, but then I remember that NY and BOS are the true tests.
Tony LaRussa did say Renteria going to Boston was a mistake. No one listened to him because they thought he was pissed because Edgar left him in St. Louis.
Too bad the Sox F.O. didn't listen sooner.
its the same with the yankees, the sox f.o. have made some great and terrible decisions, who knew david ortiz would be up and coming when he left minnesota?
We only drank it for a year, it's been the soft drink of choice for the Sox for nearly 90 years.
Hey nyjunc, welcome back to the baseball threads. Good luck in 2006 with your team, we'll be talking soon about them I'm sure.
Thanks, it will be nice to wash out the stench from the football season:boohoo: Good luck to you guys as well.
Well I'd be lying if I said I hope the Yankees do better than the Jets.
Anyway we'll be talking soon, can it be April yet?
Geez I dunno if Big George is going to like those sideburns.....
Johnny traded in his chance to stay with the Sox for that and a few more toys. I hope its worth it Johnny, I can't wait to see some Coco Crisp in CF..
Hopefully he saved some of the money to hire a speech coach. I think a kid in the deepest part of the jungle in Africa could speak better and clearer English than Damon.
gee... not seeing a whole lot of intricate pontification about Yankee personnel here... what gives?
let's see more lineups, predictions and hails of undeniable greatness like we're used to seeing...
PC is back to hail the greatest franchise in the history of American Sports. Welcome back! Let's get to ST first before we start to go gaga over this team. On paper it looks like the best team in the AL East and I'm confident we'll winanother AL East crown, it's way too early for me to make a postseason judgement though. How about you give us your in-depth analysis?
I'm guessing you're happy with the off season moves? Was there any signings you didn't like, or loved?
Yeah I feel pretty good. I was worried w/ the Beckett move by you guys and the few big Met moves that george would go nuts and overpay for some players but luckily he didn't. We kept our young players, hurt a div rival and improved our lineup. I wanted a better defensive CF but damon at the top of that lineup makes it almost unstoppable and obviously weakens your lineup. I like what we did in the pen, I think Farnsworth gives us a ltitle toughness even if we can't count on him in october. I am concerned about the age at the top of the rotation and if wang and Chacon can be as good but overall I feel good and I am looking forward to the season. If we can get molina at the last minute I'll do cartwheels, Posada has been done for years and we need an upgrade.
I think Farnsworth is a very tough and nutty player, I'm very worried about him coming into a game and just drilling a Sox player, breaking a wrist or arm with one of his fastballs. Other than that I see Kyle Farnsworth as Steve Nebraska from the movie, "The Scout" minus the talent Nebraska had.
I think Damon leaving hurt the Sox because they didn't have a CFer (Adam Stern is our Bubba Crosby) and a lead off hitter. However I think getting Crisp was the perfect replacement for Damon.
I have to agree with you that I think the lineup is stacked. An All-Star at every position. They'll put up 1929 Yankee like hitting stats.
I think I'm one of the few Red Sox fans on the board that think Chacon is going to be a pretty good asset to the Yankees, however I think his best value is in the pen in the set up role. I don't think he's going to be as good of a starter this year than he was last year. I think the Dotel signing as a fantastic move for the Yankees, I wanted the Sox to get him. He's a high injury risk but for the money they got him and his upside it was a great move.
Hey if the Yankees want Molina, I'm sure that they can have him. I think there are major injury concerns with him as well as his high money demands that are making teams say away from him. Personally I hope he sits out a year just so the owners can show players that they're not willing to spend tons of money for players (but I know that is very wishful thinking).
I personally think the Yankees will win the East too. Their hitting is too good and they'll out hit teams and score tons of runs. I do however have to question the Yankee pitching staff as they're older now and big question marks with health (but again what team doesn't have those). I think it will be interesting to see how Pavano and Wright pitch this year. I do think losing Gordon is going to hurt the pen, especially if Dotel doesn't come back strong.
I don't want him to injure player but our guys have been getting plunked by Bos pitcher's for years w/ little retaliation but at the very least farnsworth will give us a player who will protect his guys.
crisp is ok but for a guy w/ such remendous speed he doesn't have alot of SBs and his OBP is alot lower than Damon's. You may get the better end of this deal in 2 years or so but for the near future we have it.
now if our suppsoed MVP can only hit when it counts in october then we'll have a great chance.
the rotation is my biggest concern, losing Gordon hurts in the reg season but he cannot perform under postseason pressure and I couldn't take another year of him doing well in the reg season then sucking when it matters most.
i like the Dotel move too, low risk signing but he could be a jolt to the pen come the stretch drive.
No arguements here.
Well SBs aren't a big deal to the Red Sox. Damon had season with 30 or 40 SBs and when he came to the Sox they dropped into the 20s and 10s. Whether due to injuries or because Manny, Nomar, Ortiz etc hit behind him. Crisp is 26 and has pretty much the same numbers Damon did last year. I think he has big upside. Also I'm sure if the Sox think Crisp's running game is a problem they'd work on him with it?
I think the utlimate plan with Crisp is to have him play CF until Manny's contract is up and then move him to LF to make room for Jacoby Ellisbury who the Sox drafted in 2005 from Orgeon State.
:lol: I think Arod is more worried about what team he's going to play from in the WBC instead of hitting in the clutch.
Yeah Gordon was horrible in the playoffs, plus he was getting older. He's 39 now I believe. I don't blame the Yankees for trying to get younger, but I think they dropped the ball thinking Farnsworth could handle the pressure Gordon had.