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The Rebuild Part 1.5: Coaches

The complaint claiming the "cure" for the Dolphins is a "major replacement of coaches, staff and players", has two problems. The first problem is that the complaint itself is wrong. The complaint basically presumes that the current coaches, staff and players have not panned out.

They have more then "panned out". This team has been successful beyond anything any other Dolphins team has done in almost a decade. We did it using some coaches and many players who were already in place before the most recent coaching change. The success is due to the new coaching team, including all the play calling that many here dislike, and the use of players in a manner that many here dislike. The results have been:

1) A winning record in 2016 and a trip to the playoffs.
2) Making progress in spite of the negative effects of a Hurricane hitting near Miami, which include:
Effecting opening day
The damage it did to the stadium
The stress on players and families who lived in the path of the storm
The effects of an absurdly heavy travel time schedule which affected:
The time available for game preparation
The general stress due to sequential long trips
3) A current .500 win/loss record using a replacement QB who has just gotten effective with this offense in our last game.
4) The need to trade a player who had a non-team attitude and a poor record this year after showing a good effort last year.
5) That we are now where we were last year at this point in the season.

This complaint also willfully ignores:
1) Pre-season injuries to some key players in positions of need.
2) That some position improvements will be available in the next two games and those players were on the team at the beginning of the season.

That second problem is the belief that all the new people brought in will 100% successful. This seldom happens with an individual and has an even lower probability with a large group of people. Is there really anyone on this board who doesn't recognize this?

Now I have a complaint. The repeated "major replacement required" complaints have broken the Pomposity Meter on my analysis computer.
 
uk_dolfan said:
Mike Shula? lol
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I don't mind the stuff directed toward me at all, but why would you post this??

Shula was AC of the year in 2015 and has been asked to interview for several HC positions.

WTH??
 
Kingdom Come said:
I don't mind the stuff directed toward me at all, but why would you post this??

Shula was AC of the year in 2015 and has been asked to interview for several HC positions.

WTH??
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Well it isnt 2015 any more and his job has been under pressure recently nevermind coach of the year. Plus the main (only?) reason you gave for hiring him was his name...
 
Some of you are better than me, stopped reading after Mike Shula.
 
Where is your coaxing of the greatest Dolphin ever Dan Marino to come and coach this team or be the GM? He NEEDS to be a major part of this organization going forward. Fire burn in his belly and if he couldn't win a Super Bowl as a player then he NEEDS to be able to win one as a part of the organization in another capacity...................
 
Ray R said:
The complaint claiming the "cure" for the Dolphins is a "major replacement of coaches, staff and players", has two problems. The first problem is that the complaint itself is wrong. The complaint basically presumes that the current coaches, staff and players have not panned out.

They have more then "panned out". This team has been successful beyond anything any other Dolphins team has done in almost a decade. We did it using some coaches and many players who were already in place before the most recent coaching change. The success is due to the new coaching team, including all the play calling that many here dislike, and the use of players in a manner that many here dislike. The results have been:

1) A winning record in 2016 and a trip to the playoffs.
2) Making progress in spite of the negative effects of a Hurricane hitting near Miami, which include:
Effecting opening day
The damage it did to the stadium
The stress on players and families who lived in the path of the storm
The effects of an absurdly heavy travel time schedule which affected:
The time available for game preparation
The general stress due to sequential long trips
3) A current .500 win/loss record using a replacement QB who has just gotten effective with this offense in our last game.
4) The need to trade a player who had a non-team attitude and a poor record this year after showing a good effort last year.
5) That we are now where we were last year at this point in the season.

This complaint also willfully ignores:
1) Pre-season injuries to some key players in positions of need.
2) That some position improvements will be available in the next two games and those players were on the team at the beginning of the season.

That second problem is the belief that all the new people brought in will 100% successful. This seldom happens with an individual and has an even lower probability with a large group of people. Is there really anyone on this board who doesn't recognize this?

Now I have a complaint. The repeated "major replacement required" complaints have broken the Pomposity Meter on my analysis computer.
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Would like to see a flag thrown for unnecessary pontification.
 
Kingdom Come said:
Shula was AC of the year in 2015 and has been asked to interview for several HC positions.

WTH??
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"ASKED" but didn't do interviews during the playoff run for the Panthers a few years back, hasn't been asked since. He was eyed by the media in 2015 based on Panthers offense and winning, which had more to do with Cam Newton then it did Shula. Before and after that season, a lot of Panthers fan have wanted him gone, he is decent but not something to brag home about, yes he is a Shula but no he isn't his father. If you want a track record of how he handles tough situations and getting people to buy into a system as a HC, look back at his Alabama years when he was the HC there.
 
Kingdom Come said:
The dream of new ownership may be out of reach, but a new coaching staff isn't. Perhaps Gase gets another year with Tannehill, but I guarantee you that will not work. Ross is continually be faced with one failure after another. It has to be getting expensive, even for him.

My choices are as follows:
GM: Eliot Wolf Of course, who else? Every needy team in the league wants him, but the Packers have been refusing interviews. How long can they keep this up? Time for some bribery/blackmail/extortion/ maybe a kidnapping.

HC Mike Shula What better name for renaissance than that of a cherished icon of generations past.
OC Mike Munchak Probably, if not certainly the best OL and running game coach in the NFL right now.
DC Todd Bowles if he comes available, or Jim Leonhard of Wisconsin.

Defense would be undefinable. A cross between Cheif's odd front and Wade Phillips one gap attack. Ndamakong Suh unchained!! Elite CB's on the boundary would be ideal.
Offense would be based on a lot of double TE with WR's consistently running deep routes. 6 WR's and 4 TE's on the 53 would be a foregone conclusion.

Trade: Tannehill,Ja'wuan James,Timmons,Xavien Howard. Tag and trade Jarvis Landry.

Timmons. Doubt we will ever know what was said, but Timmons is playing hard and looking great. I think he knows his guaranteed money is gone and I suspect he will be looking for a new team in 2018. His baby mama is in Philly I think? The Giants are right next door and have a horrible LB corps. I think we can get our 5th back. I would keep him if I thought he would play hard and actually wanted to be here.

Howard. Worthless imo, but like they say, it only takes one team. Maybe a 5th, or even a fourth because he is so young.

Ja'Wuan James was, ya was, PFF's 2nd ranked RT in the league. Too bad he is done, or wait, it may actually help his value. A highly ranked 25 year old former 1st round pick.....I know he may not be so highly esteemed by Dolphin fans, but that is the stuff of very high trade value. I'd say late 1st early 2nd value.

RT. Obviously his value would be all over the place from one extreme to the other. I'd go with late 1st-early second.
Maybe more from the Browns. That franchise is so extremely desperate beyond all desperation for a solid veteran starting QB. They have shot their wad and then some at drafting hyped up rookie QB's. I'd take their first 2nd round pick and Duke Johnson. When you combine grades for pass receiving and pass blocking, Duke has the best grades from PFF. The offense I expect would require a 3rd down back who is excellent at those two things. Besides, they will obviously be drafting Saquon.

Slap the tag on Landry at the last possible moment so he and his agent have plenty of time to be tampered with. The more familiar he and his agent are with his suitors and market value, the better. The Colts are going to have close to 100 mil in cap room next off season. They will probably sign Alshon Jeffrey, but they will be looking for much more for Luck when he returns. After Jeffrey, Landry would probably be at the top of the WR FA heap. Word is, they will let Moncrief hit FA. They will be drafting defense and OL. I expect them to sign the top RB free agent as well. They will know that Saquon will be gone to the Browns.

I think Landry would be very unhappy in Shula's offense. Dolphins acquire another early 2nd round pick.

Cuts: Pouncey,Julius Thomas,Ted Larsen

These moves would result in close to 70 mil in cap room being created.

Only William Hayes and the ERFA's would be retained. The other FA's could walk.

Why Why Why??? did these idiots change his contract to a one year deal????????? So infuriating!! Now, it will cost us 20 mil for a two year deal and he must be retained for this transition to work. Guys like him,with his versatility and talent are almost impossible to find.

FA Acquisitions:
Sign Vontae today!! By no means to play CB. I love him as a FS, even if it is just in specific sets. Dude is strong, and an excellent tackler when motivated. Redemption time for the Davis kid. He will come dirt cheap as well. Vontae is smart as whip when he isn't drunk and/or hungover and missing meetings.

CB Patrick Robinson He has been playing like a man possesed. I watched every Eagles game this year. He is for real.
As for the Eagles, they just extended Jernigan at 12 mil a year, and they had cap issues before that. Their other valuable veterans like Jeffrey and Robinson are as good as gone. What Robinson will get as he enters his 30's is anybody's guess.
I would give him 3 years 25 mil. His coverage has been extraordinary this year, but his run support has been astonishing as well. Hope we don't see a PED suspension, but it wouldn't surprise me. If he is clean, I would love this pick up.

TE Cameron Brate Brate is a RFA but I would make a hefty offer. Bucs drafted OJ Howard hgih and might not match.
Dolphins are going to try to bacome a much smarter football team. Here is a Harvard man. He spends most of his time as the y-receiver but he is making good strides as a blocker as well.

TE Lee Smith One of the best blocking TE's in the league. Both as a pass blocker and at run blocking, which is waaayyy more rare than you might think. Raiders made him take a pay cut after his broken leg. He won't be back.

CB Rashaan Melvin Oops, he will be tagged before hitting FA.

OG Andrew Norwell Maybe Shula can coax him on over from the Panthers.

Part Three: Draft and Roster
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You lost me at replacing Gase with Shula. In fact you lost me at the idea of replacing Gase period.
 
Madden 2018 rebuild should be name of this thread.
 
Your post became irrelevant in the first line with, "But I guarantee you that will not work" in regards to Gase and Tannehill next year. I didn't even bother to read the rest due to running a background check and determining there was no record for you of any supernatural abilities, purchases of flux capacitors, nor acquisitions any used phone booths. I just hope it was cathartic typing all that for that's the only benefit I could see of this post.
 
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I'm a Gase supporter.
At least we've seen improvement, player development, and better drafting. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I'm not saying everything he does is perfect, but Gase is not the problem
 
Not a big fan of Shula and the jury is still out on Gase but I wouldn't blow it up so soon.

There are some seriously arrogant posters here that by the looks of their posts, think they're actually auditioning for front office gig with the phins. Get over yourselves. It's only a message board.
 
I don't think Gase is going anywhere any time soon. I could be wrong, but I think Gase should be able to draft his QB and start from scratch if Tannehill doesn't work out next year.
 
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