Theories on Charles Clay???

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  1. justdev7

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    I've heard the NFL Network guy talk about him a lot and how versatile he is. From what I've heard he's a good pass catcher(lead his team), he's not the best lead blocker(but he's got the size), and he's a little to small to play TE. So how do you guys think we'll use him? H-back, TE, FB? Or a little of everything?

    More importantly, is Virgil Green still a possible target?
     
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    He is not a TE or FB that can lead block or set the edge. If we use him like the Pat's use Aaron Hernandez we could really have something. With Sparano running the show, not so sure that will happen. Hope it does because the kid does have talent.
     
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    So that explains why Green fell.....Mayock said he had micro knee surgery a few years back and was flagged at the combine.
     
  4. justdev7

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    I'm getting really tired of teams doubling up on TEs that I want. Hernandez and Gronkowski to the Pats and Pitta and Dickson to the Ravens last year. And now Julius Thomas and Virgil Green to the Broncos this year.
     
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    Clay is a Dallas Clark type TE ... Clay is too small and not strong enough to hold up as a blocker ... which would indicate he is a receiving threat 1st and foremost ... IF he makes the team, I can envision Clay as a down the seem type TE ... a guy that lines up all over the formations, looking to take advantage of his receiving skills ... IF he is able to make the team he'll be a lot like Jim Jenson was when he played for Miami, back in the day ... I'm hoping that Clay, can build him self up into a stronger and better blocker ... in short he is a hybrid type player !!!
     
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    H back all the way. he is your mismatch made in heaven. going in motion...linin up as FB then goin in motion...linin up wide makin LB's freak out...linin up as wildcat QB taking direct snap and runnin with authority. Modern day Jim Jensen?
     
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    I actually think Clay being drafted is an out of the box type thinking on the part of the F/O ... could be a stroke of good fortune or ingenious move, to have a player like this on the team .. again that is if he makes the team and has a large role
     
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    I think Sparano can probably coach up his blocking to where he's adequate at least. I really hope all this investing in speed pays off. Obviously, there's still a glaring need at QB and all this speed isn't going to mean squat if the ball is over/under thrown. Better hope that our new OC figures out how to get the best out of Henne, or we're in for a long season.
     
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    The guy is 6'3" 245 lbs. I think he's big enough for TE. He needs to get stronger and maybe add 10 pounds at the most but if Dustin Keller at 6'2" 250 lbs can play TE for the Jets, Clay can definitely play TE for us.
     
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    Charles Clay was a ST pick
     
  11. justdev7

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    Gonna have to disagree with that. Check out the play at the 40" mark. He's got that down the seam speed and is a natural athlete. I'm surprised there wasn't more chatter about this guy.

    Also check out the play at the 2:55 mark and note the speed he has in the open field. this is a unique athlete. Remember Dorin Dickerson from last year? This guy reminds me of him but less straight line speed and slightly bigger and probably a smoother athlete.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnqcKxk0Ek
     
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    ST & RB ... a bull dozer
     
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    And his numbers at the combine are better than Williams, Stocker and comparable to Thomas - I really wanted Green, though. I saw an interview with Clay and he is hungry to play..he better be. I like this pick...

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/

    And he is slotted in the TE group.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Sounds like he thinks Clay will be more of an H-back/TE than a RB which I would have to agree with. For a RB he'd have average speed but as a TE/H-back he's got good speed
     
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    i love the pick. i think he will be lineing up at te most of the time, and some fb. they better take advantage of his skill set. put him in motion alot create alot of mismatches. the guy is an amazing player, he can just do anything on the field. i think it may take a year to get his blocking down, but he is going to be down the seem threat. a nightmare for lb's.
     
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    I think we will use the him a lot like Dallas Clark, Arron Hernandez, Dustin Keller is used. They might be able to teach him to be a little better blocker, but I think he will be more lined up out in the slot like some other TE's are used.
     
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    He has the potential to be a Hernandez, or Clark type TE.

    Now it's up to coaching to get him there
     
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    camp cut...imo
     
  20. justdev7

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    Ouch that's rough.... Well if that ends up being true (which I doubt it will) I will be pissed that we didn't take Virgil Green
     
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    he could be, but I think he has potential to be that Cooley type in this offense, similar to how we all envisioned DJ Williams to be in this offense. This kid has more size and speed and maybe better hands. He isn't as polished as Williams but he has more upside.

    He is AT WORST the #3 TE on this team, but right now he is the clear #2 TE. I think he makes it and is active on game days.
     
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    i just watched the entire senior bowl south team week practices and game and just keyed charles clay...i have to say i'm a bit more intrigued than i was before...he was used primarily as an offset i fullback in the game and practices...as a blocker he looked a little lost at times but also looked willing which was a plus...his block did spring the rb into the second level a few times...not a body rocker by any means but effective at times...however he's gonna have to learn to drop his pad level blocking in the run game cause he comes in with his head high and in the pros a lb is gonna stick his helmet right under his chin...someone tell this kid low man wins...he just looks raw to me in that regard but again willing and he's pretty body beautiful at 6 ft 3 and 239 lbs...the real value i see is as a receiver out of the backfield he only ran routes into the flats but he's got some quick burst has a little bit of make the first guy miss and looks pretty fluid as a pass catcher...i think he could give some lbs some fits in coverage...don't see every down te don't see the inpactful lead blocker to be an every down fb i see h back

    i'll be checkin out his combine work pretty soon here...
     
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    Nice job. Cool that you keep those around.
     
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    it will be nice if this kid can show enough as a blocker to make the squad i won't have to see lousaka polite running routes on 3rd down this year...this kids got much more going for him in that regard than polite...thats for sure

    anybody got any idea where i can see some tulsa tape??? i heard this kid was used at te fb rb wr etc and i want to see how he was employed and what kind of routes he can run and if they split him out off of motion etc...and see what he looks like toting the rock inside and off tackle
     
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    http://www.hulu.com/watch/191484/notre-dame-tulsa-vs-notre-dame 170 minutes long (entire game).
     
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    I'm just gonna put this out there and it's kinda off topic. I watched Tulsa's bowl game against Hawaii and a couple this stood out. 1. Tulsa's offense is crazy 2. Damires Johnson is really fun to watch 3. And I really really am intrigued buy G.J. Kinne. The guy is playing in a really weird offense so I have no idea how that translates to a pro style offense but the kid can throw the ball and he's really athletic. the thing that really impressed me was his ability to throw the deep ball. I'm gonna watch this kid closely next year. I've got a good feeling about this guy
     
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    They remind me of a nonprostyle version of Harbaugh's Stanford offense.
     
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    Really?

    I don't at all , I like this pick and the Gates pick better than Pouncey and Thomas , relative to their draft positions to be honest.

    Clay to me is fluid , versatile and has good hands and also produced ( I think ) 30 plus plays over 30 yards in his collegiate career. I like that number... a lot.
     
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    Like I said, if people were thrilled with DJ Williams, they should atleast be intrigued with this kid.
     
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    yeah i said camp cut i meant replaced by someone else camp cut on the roster. i didn't exactly word that right...but after looking at him in depth i think he's got some upside and some talent...needs polish no doubt

    but in all honesty outside of anthony fasano who isn't anything great to begin with we got nothing on this roster for him to have to beat out...so he's got a real opportunity and he couldn't have asked for a better team to get that opportunity with...

    we'll see...for me the jurys out
     
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    Hoops,
    If you check out you tube there's a video of all his snaps against Hawaii. From that vidoe he looks decent when he has a designated person to block, but when they run option it seems like he doesn't know who to block because he doesn't know who has the ball.
     
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    I watched that and when he doesn't look lost he makes some good blocks. He makes a really good block on the damiras Johnson 65 yard td run. His block seals a hole to the outside that Johnson gets through. I think we might have gotten another steal hear. And luckily for clay we only have one other te

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    we'll need to mold him
     
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    i'll say this he looks good once the ball is in his hands, and it seems like there's a lot of ways to get it to him. i don't think we should worry too much about what his position will be. clearly not the ideal person you want blocking, but from the small sample video there is potential in every aspect of his game. he's absolutely got some explosion and i think he could be a serious a mismatch for linebackers and safeties. my guess is they'll call him a tight end or halfback but it's really irrelevant. he's just someone versatile they feel they can get involved on the field in a variety of ways, and probably special teams is where he'll get his blocking reps in. and maybe some tackling too the way lex hilliard did this year
     
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    watched clays combine work yesterday...worked out with the te's...short answer is i was underwhelmed...route running did not look sharp...kids got this awful habit of when gearing down before his cuts dropping his hands to his side ...who taught him that i have no idea...most the other te's are chopping their hands up and down as they gear down and into their cuts which is what i'm accustomed to and on the turn by having thier hands rising back up giving themselves a better chance of properly receiving/plucking the ball

    odd stuff...thats all i can say...the difference b/t him and dj williams as a route runner as far the fluidity and smoothness of motion was night and day pretty much...much more clean

    this kids raw...mayock also said during the combine field work that at the senior bowl "clay didn't block anybody all week despite playing a off set i fullback and teams wanted to see him block"

    just an fyi...
     
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    Yes but he has some experience running the wildcat I hear.

    Here that's trumps .

    I'm thinking there is wildcat outbreak this year.
     
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    If it means anything, Kiper had him as one of his first 6 steals mentioned in the entire draft (he also had Gates in there).

    He then followed it up with "other" steals in another tweet.
     

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