This Guy Reminds Me of Brady...

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  1. Blitz

    Blitz The Big Zonk

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    I hate Brady as much as the next Dolfan, but we have to be honest with ourselves: He is one of the greatest QBs of all-time, and certainly the best QB since Marino's retirement. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take a shower...

    Is it not true that we would KILL to have a QB like him on our team? (And let's face it: The odds of there ever being another QB like Marino are much slimmer than the odds of us finding our version of Brady). So what I am getting at is that I feel like Ricky Stanzi of Iowa has a Brady-esque swagger and style of play (i.e., coolly manages the pocket with his mind and feet, can thread the needle or put the right amount of touch on it, etc.):

    [video=youtube;4x2UUWgv1NQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2UUWgv1NQ&feature=related[/video]

    What do you guys think?
     
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    Sure does throw off his back foot quite a bit. Alot of those throws are floaters and rely on the receiver to be in the right position. Not sure I saw great decision making anywhere in that video.
     
  3. Blitz

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    Yeah, but that is something that he can be coached on at the next level.

    Really? I only see him putting touch on the ball, not throwing any floaters. He's not Marino or Elway, but he's not Fiedler either. He can zing it just as well as Brady or Montana, for example.

    25 TDs to 6 INTs, so a 4:1 TD/INT ratio, in his senior season. 64.1% completion percentage. Played four years in a pro-style offense and a competitive conference. Apparently he led quite a few comebacks in the fourth quarter, too. Seems like he's either a really lucky guy on a great team, or somebody who usually made great decisions. I'd bet on the latter.

    If he can translate those type of numbers and play into the pros, I'll take him.
     
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    He looks good to me. If the Dolphins could get this guy in the 3rd Rd it would be a great pickup.
     
  5. TedSlimmJr

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    He works with Tom Martinez... who is Tom Brady's personal quarterback tutor...
     
  6. ckparrothead

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    Yeah, well Graham Harrell worked pretty darn hard to look like Tom Brady too (even started looking like him), and some thought he succeeded to an extent.

    I barely even consider Stanzi to be draftable.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    I have the top two guys Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton, then Ryan Mallett, then T.J. Yates, Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick, and Jake Locker, then after that is when I have guys like Pat Devlin, Andy Dalton, Ricky Stanzi and Ben Chappell, kind of in a beauty is in the eye of the beholder free-for-all as far as getting drafted in the 5th, 6th or 7th rounds. I would leave Greg McElroy undrafted but if I had a spot open for a career backup I would bring him to camp and see if I could make him into that. I would leave Tyrod Taylor and Josh Portis undrafted as well and if I'm one of those teams that has two QBs on roster and feel comfortable only rostering two guys (there are a handful of teams that do this) then I would have Portis/Taylor be guys that run my scout team from the practice squad, see if either of them starts to 'get it' at some point.
     
  8. SF Dolphin Fan

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    I don't know CK. I value your opinion on quarterbacks a great deal, but I think you are underrating Stanzi. Not saying he's the next Tom Brady, but he definitely looks like someone who has the skills to develop. I know it's a highlight film but it shows that he can do all the things you want at the next level IMO.
     
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    As things stand, I have T.J. Yates valued pretty highly. But I recognize how far he would need to climb in order to get to where he's going to get. I've just seen some very specific and very hopeful signs that he could climb that mountain. Ricky Stanzi is like a poor man's T.J. Yates, to me. The climb is just too difficult, too unlikely.
     
  10. SCLSU Mud Dogs

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    CK, I have seen many other places regard Yates as a quarterback that will be taken no earlier than the 4th or 5th round. Personally, my favorite 2nd or 3rd round option is Christian Ponder. If Ponder shows that he can fully recover from his throwing arm injuries, he has the smarts and the football IQ to do great things in the NFL.
     
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    I think Stanzi has the potential to be a very solid starter.. He doesn't throw off his back foot, but he also does not generate enough power with the throwing motion he has (which can be coached).. Most if not all his passes are touch passes or floaters but he is very accurate with them. I would like his throwing motion to be changed up a little in the bigs if it's at all possible would give him more velocity, just watch his back leg in the video they fairy out lessoning his momentum on the ball.. Overall a late round steal for someone.
     
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    Being a UF fan, I have seen alot of Ponder. I remember when I first saw him I was thinking this guy is going to make it to the NFL. Ability wise, I do not think that anything has dissuaded me from that view. But here is the thing, his injury history is scary. He has been injured alot. The last injury to his throwing shoulder gives me more than a little pause. I have read reports that as long as he gets the rest he should be fine, but I do not like guys that have multiple injuries-especially at that position.
     
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    Yeah. Well, there were many places that considered Jake Locker for shoe-in for top QB status, until they caught up to me. And there were many places that considered Cam Newton a borderline 1st/2nd rounder, until they caught up to me on that one. So what are they going to catch up to me on next?

    Listen, if I wasn't comfortable making evaluations on my own that can stand quite apart from the rest of the crowd, I wouldn't do so. I'm pretty comfortable with that. So when someone comes at me on one of my opinions and says yeah but so and so rates the guy this way, I don't know what you expect me to say. You expect me to change my mind? If I change my mind, it's for my reasons, like I recently began changing my mind on Nate Enderle, because I'm tired of the bad decision making which keeps showing up over and over and over again.
     
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    Hey CK, have you ever kept record of your hits and misses over the past couple of years???


    I'd be curious to see what your success rate has been.. as I really enjoy reading your perspective.
     
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    i have been comparing him to brady for a while. i really hope we get this guy if a miricle doesnt happen and we land newton or gabbert
     
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    Nice find I appreciate the video as well. You may be onto something it will be fun watching to see how he does at the next level. I do remember the first time I watched Brady Quinn I thought I was looking at the next great Qb.

    But then over time a few college games I began to see the flaws. With this player I haven't seen enough games to know, But it looks like it is hitting the receivers and backs in the sweet spots. Which is something we haven't seen in Miami in sometime now. In all of these plays the receivers could run after the catch and that can't be overstated for its value.
     
  18. j-off-her-doll

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    If we draft Stanzi as our answer at QB . . . I'll probably sit the season out.
     
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    I live in Big Ten country and have seen quite a bit of Stanzi. I've just never understood why he's viewed so highly by some people. I will give him decent mobility and ability to move around in the pocket. But I do not like his arm strength. Those balloon soft lobs that he throws just will not cut it against NFL speed.

    If nothing else, we need someone special at qb, not another of these run of the mill guys.
     
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    I've seen stanzi make plenty of throws throughout the years that had plenty of zip on them. anywhere, from deep routes, to fireballs into the endzone. What is about him, that showed you his arm strength was questionable.
     
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    Perhaps just your reason of having Yates rated much higher than most.
     
  22. Blitz

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    Let's compare this (Highlights of Tom Brady at the University of Michigan):

    [video=youtube;TM7Q4y1trtM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM7Q4y1trtM[/video]

    To this (Highlights of Ricky Stanzi at the University of Iowa):

    [video=youtube;4x2UUWgv1NQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x2UUWgv1NQ[/video]

    Any thoughts???

    Their style of play is very similar in my eyes. The only significant difference I can discern is Stanzi's slight size advantage in the thighs/calves, something Brady has obviously improved since going pro.

    Obviously neither one was Elway at Stanford or Marino at Pitt. However, I think it is worth spending a third or fourth-rounder on Stanzi to see if he can make the same translation to the pros that Brady did...
     
  23. TedSlimmJr

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    They're very similar in stature, pocket presence, and arm strength. Both do a good job of going through their progressions, Brady goes through them a little quicker. The differences are very subtle.... Brady sets up just a fraction quicker, and has better overall mechanics from the ground up and more compact delivery.

    It's the intangibles that made Tom Brady into what he is... If Stanzi is as hellbent on proving the NFL teams wrong that passed on him as much as Brady, he'll be a starting NFL quarterback sooner than anyone thought.

    However, winning 3 superbowl rings, throwing 50 TD's and 8 INT's in a single season, and winning multiple league MVP titles is obviously a pretty tall task..
     
  24. Blitz

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    I agree with your post, Slimmy, especially on the intangibles aspect. Intangibles are often overlooked, especially when it comes to evaluating rookies, hence Tom Brady going in the sixth round, Zach Thomas going in the fifth round, etc. Ignoring intangibles leads to making decisions such as putting Ryan Leaf above Peyton Manning on your draft board, to give an extreme example. Or, for another example, drafting Blair Thomas second overall instead of taking Emmit Smith, who falls to seventeenth (As much as I loved Richmond Webb, imagine if Shula had partnered Marino with Smith for the 1990s???)

    I also wanted to complement the video with a statistical comparison of Stanzi's and Brady's junior/senior seasons (Put together quickly via Excel/ImageShack):

    [​IMG]

    It is hard to envision a tighter correlation...

    I really like the comparison between these two. Stanzi is the first rookie I have ever seen who absolutely reminds me of Brady in almost every way. There is no doubt in my mind that rolling the dice on him in the third or fourth-round is a no-brainer even with the plethora of more physically talented and flashy QBs who will go before him in the draft.
     
  25. BARF

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    he mos def has better accuracy than henne
     
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    if we dont draft him i will cry. but i shouldnt set my self up for dissappointment. we will take a olineman or de instead
     
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    what is it with the $%#@ing music people put to every draft prospect video? Its either some hardcore rap or kid rock crap....dear god
     
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    I like Stanzi as well. The few games I've seen him play, I thought he came across as pretty solid. But I know CK watches a lot more of these guys and watches them closer so maybe he does know something. In either case, for the kids sake, I hope this regime doesn't draft him as we've seen what a marvelous job they do at developing QBs.
     
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    Its not impressive. He was all up about Jerry Houghes last year and we all know how bad he was this year. I would take anything that CK says with a grain of salt. Just because he spends hours of "scouting" players doesnt mean he knows anything. No one really knows how the players will pan out.

    As far as TJ yates goes, I have no idea what CK see in Yates. I live in Carolina and I can tell all of you that Yates isnt NFL starter material. He's thin skinned and a little bit of a poon. He's not a vocal leader and he doesnt have great measurables. He plays it safe and doesnt play to win and doesnt like to take chances. He holds the ball too long and he goes to his first read, thus staring down his WR's. I compare him to Brian Brohm from Louiville. similar type throwing motion, both have good football IQ but Brohm wasnt able to keep up with the speed of the NFL and I think Yates will be the same way.
     
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    That's a nice comparison to be sure. If Stanzi works as hard as Brady and gets in the right situation I think he will definitely exceed expectations much like Brady did.
     
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    Is that really the Hulk Hogan theme song playing for Ricky Stanzi. I would rather have Pat Devlin or Nathan Enderle in the late rounds but with a few years and proper coaching i think Stanzi could be a servicable starter.
     

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