Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinAtic8480, Aug 4, 2010.
Good article. I expect better things from the tight ends this season.
I don't. Why should we? You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. The Dolphins didn't even make minor efforts to improve the position. That's fine, you can only do so many things in one off season, and plus keeping the status quo at least ensures that your quarterbacks have chemistry in place with known commodities, guys that you know can fit in the playbook in some way or other. But, you can't get improvement out of the position if you don't even try.
Next year will be all about the Tight End, Running Back, and perhaps Safety positions. Or at least it should be, provided that the other positions pan out the way we hope (which doesn't often happen).
kyle rudolph would start for us right now at te...
He'd start for a lot of teams right now.
I still...I mean, I'd kill to have grabbed Dennis Pitta in the mid rounds right about now.
He wasn't available at #119 (where we picked AJ Edds).
He got snatched up at #114, so we would've had to:
1) guess correctly that he was about to be taken just a few spots ahead of us; and
2) work a trade-up 6 or more spots (with a willing team) (which would've cost us a lower pick/player)
I'd love to have him also, but oh well......
Maybe we can get a stud (or near-stud) in the 2011 draft.
I can count half a dozen TE's in college that would start for Miami.... this really is a brutal group of TE's...
There's really no athletic ability and no upside with any of these guys... I like the idea of having two guys that are multi-faceted.. but if these guys haven't learned how valuable a mis-match at TE is as many times as they've been burned by one... you have to wonder..
I have this strong suspicion that Vern Davis will be a Fin next year.
i don't. you prob wouldn't be saying that if we didnt draft vontae either. but if your right ill happily pay my dues to you
I think Vernon Davis will get a contract done with the 49ers. In fact I thought I'd heard not too long ago that they're well on their way to that already.
As for whether or not they appreciate the value of a good Tight End, I think Jeff Ireland does. He just pointed out during his interview the other day, you can only do so many things in one off season. It's easy to crticiize when we don't know what kind of internal guidelines Stephen Ross set on salary stuff, and how close up on those marks the Dolphins currently are...but I just take it from everything Ireland is saying, that they're going to target the position next year.
Ck I seen a post from you saying that the Dolphins kept in more Te's than any other offense besides Oakland...You said in that post that Henning does that?
How can your Te's shine if all they are doing is blocking?
Im glad we are seeing the same thing here. Ive been craving an athletic mis-match at TE for 2 years now. I realize thats not how they build their team, but if one doesnt come next year Im going to be pissed. I'm convinced one of the Phins TE's is actually a slug with legs and arms.............
Basically our TEs are jacks of all trades but not much masters of just one. They have to be diverse but no game changers among them. Fasano may hold his own in blocking but he will get by a premier DE. Haynos or Sperry may hold up a pass rush or open a hole to the outside but are they going to get open enough when called upon in the passing game? I understand the sum greater than the parts concept that the Fins are employing. But, eventually to go deep in the playoffs consistently we are going to need to upgrad the TE position(s).
I would like to see what Nalbone has to offer. I really don't think Haynos offers anything at the position and Sperry looked alright at times but he's small.
This is Nalbone's second camp... and he still can't simply catch the football when it's thrown to him...
Kyle Rudolph, Luke Stocker, Wesley Saunders, George Bryan, D.J. Williams, Charlie Gantt.... all these guys are upgrades over the slop behind Fasano...
I thought last year our Te's did a pretty good job..The only thing is they pretty much had to be wide open to get the ball thrown to them...
It was very rare to see them out running someone behind them..I do remember Fasano making a few plays while not being wide open..
He did have some costly drops and looked god awful in that ATL game..
Haynos was not that bad after he caught the ball..but again was pretty much wide open in a voided zone or broken coverage...
I think we def need someone who can make some plays down the field in that postion..David Martin was that guy..Too bad he got hurt last year and was old..
I really wanna see what Nalbone has to offer..but last year he could not hold onto the ball..
after fasano there's nothin - and he even lost his mind last year. the other guys on the roster are more or less the B movie versions of him - which shouldn't be the case. those guys should be threats in the passing game.
i so badly wish we would've drafted a TE in this past draft,it was a deep TE class imo...
Haynos, other than height, is unimpressive. Sperry is more of a H-back/TE that you can motion alot.
I wil reiterate. Pitta is a one trick pony and not as good as Harline or Coats who played collegiately with John Beck.
I don't think we can write-off our young TEs just yet. Last year we had to do a lot of adjusting at the TE position when Pennington was injured. I do truly think that our group may be capable of more than people are perceiving. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Based on what exactly? What do you think they're capable of?
Fasano is best suited as a #2 TE that's forced to be a #1 TE on this team.... We've seen that happen in Miami way too many times over the years at the WR/TE position (Chambers, Ginnger, McMichael, etc.)
Nalbone can't catch... and was only the second player EVER drafted from Monmouth... A year ago he was a 5th round project that couldn't catch the football... today he's still a 5th round project that can't catch the football...
Haynos is an undrafted free agent that's too tall, too clumsy, too slow, and no upside.... a slug with arms and legs (as one poster put it)...
Sperry is probably the guy I like best here... he has the most upside... but is still a #3 TE on a team that's winning...
Basically all of these guys would already be gone most anywhere else.... they're just bodies.... and are only here because some of them can actually provide slight resistance against a defender when it comes to blocking... that's it..
It's the worst group of TE's in the league as a group... just like Miami's LB's were last year...
I think it's one of the first positions they'll address next year...there's just no talent here...
“We’re really close,” said Sperry, who said he no longer has to worry about the rookie jitters. “As soon as one’s in there we all watch to see what happens. When he comes out we have corrections and if he did good we’re always positive. It’s real nice and almost feels like a family in the tight end room.”
I never knew families got together at the gay bar......J/k
yeah nalbone still can't catch the ball...we just need a te complete overhaul...if you keep fasano as the primary blocking te fine but get a fluid mismatch with some rac abilities like kyle rudoph in the draft and then think of how much more potent this offense will be...instantly
And I will reiterate, I believe you're wrong. And yes, I've studied the guy, including getting a close up first hand view of him all week during East-West Shrine practices, where I talked to the man, AND I spoke with the man who coached him all week. I've studied many games of his, and I compiled a lot of information on the guy. I understand you feel you've had some exposure to him since you're a Ute fan, and everyone has a right to their own opinion. But I'm not coming at this as some joe schmoe off the street that head Todd McShay say something on air and decided he liked a guy.
I can imagine there being a worst group out there. But not very many.
I actually liked the group when David Martin and Anthony Fasano worked together.
haynos is not clumsy.
speaking of pitta i've heard that the ravens have been impressed with him this camp...players have spoken of how fluid he is and his soft hands...crafty...sneaky quick
I can imagine. And the folks that think he's a poor blocker and will always be a poor blocker, are going to be surprised.
Yea I was really surprised we didn't draft a tight end in the 3rd-5th round. I'd feel a lot better with a pass catching specialist to compliment Fasano's blocking ability. A guy like Dennis Pitta, Jimmy Graham or Garrett Graham would of been nice. Would of loved to have gotten Anthony McCoy or Dorin Dickerson in the 6th-7th as well. I do expect TE to be near the top of the list next year. A guy like Kyle Rudolph could give us one of the most complete offenses in the NFL.
What's funny is that Pitta was one of CK's guys at TE... and Ed Dickson was one of my guys at TE...
Leave it to Ozzie to take BOTH of them....
Word out of Ravens camp is that they're very impressed with both of them...
I'm sure both of us would prefer not being in the discussion....
Fasano is passable if he has seam-buster to take the pressure off.... you've got to have that mis-match guy at TE in this league...
The only team I can think of off the top of my head with a tight end situation as bad as the Dolphins is Arizona. In fact, they're probably worse. Ben Patrick, Anthony Becht and Stephen Spach are, well... Anthony Becht can block. That's all I can say for 'em. Ben Patrick had 12 catches last year in 9 games.
No wonder that team lines up in 4 wide more than any other. By a lot.
ahhh...zona...agreed on that...garbage at the te spot
i would have said cinci last year also but gresham remedies that...
Please don't remind me hoops. I was LIVID when Miami didn't draft him, I'm still pretty pissed actually. **** the Ravens to hell!!
I think they'll be slightly improved, but that's all. Although if R&R are running wild and Henne & the WR's are connecting, that may be all we need from that group. Even so, I think the 2011 draft will shape up with RB's, NT's and TE's.
should draft tightend who is now a de in my boy Cooper Bassett this boy wil knok people off the ball and he can catch the ball like Pettigrew but he is a jr but I am not hearing who is hot at tightends in college this year. anybody have any favorite tightends ?