Timbo vs. Suh

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  1. SmokyFin

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    For those that remember big Tim Bowens...who would you prefer at DT between him and Suh?

    And just imagine the two of them together...
     
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    Suh with Zach, no question.
     
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    I appreciate the nostalgia of Tim Bowens, but c'mon man. Suh is one of the best defensive tackles to be drafted in the last 20 years. It's not even a comparison.
     
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    I wonder what kind of money Bowens would command in today's market?
     
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    A defense with Suh, Taylor, Thomas, Madison and Surtain would look pretty good.
     
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    Bowens was bigger than Suh, but Suh is a more explosive player off the ball than Bowens was.
     
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    I loved Bowens, but with the evolution of players and how fit they are, there's no comparison. Suh is an amazing athlete.
     
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    Tim Bowens, oh the days when we drafted intelligently.
     
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    Stop!! Why did you do that to me?? Oh the good ol days :frown
     
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    Timbo was pretty damn good when he was healthy.
     
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    Ha.....very true. Refresh my memory, who drafted big Tim?
     
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    he was more of a run stiffer. too bad Daryl gardener got hurt. they were a great duo
     
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    I might be in the minority here but I’m going to say Tim Bowens. I know, Suh is a once in a lifetime type of talent, but for the money I’ll take Bowen’s. Tim did his job and did it well. He made the pro bowl and was a steady but unspectacular force at DT. He originally teamed with Daryl Gardener and then with Larry Webster to form a very good DT combination giving Miami a run stopping force, the team hadn’t had in years.
     
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    As a rookie, Bowens started all 15 of the 16 games in which he appeared for the Dolphins at left tackle. He collected a season high nine tackles in a week six 21-11 victory over the Buffalo Bills on his way to a defensive line leading 52 tackles. Miami finished the season with a 10-6 record, good enough for the AFC East title. The defense led the NFL with 23 interceptions, also allowing an AFC second lowest 1,430 rushing yards. Bowens was named the NFL AP Defensive Rookie of the Year.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...lphins-all-time-top-100-players-20-tim-bowens

    Good times
     
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    Nice post and great times!! Ya we never ended up with the right QB or Dan was just too old but those days of getting picks and allowing 1 or negative yard gains is something I think I took for granted. I would do anything to have that team back. Certain plays I'll always remember like Surtain's pick vs Denver when Mare hit a 53 yder for the GW. We were stacked defensively. Brady still says the hardest D he ever went against was the early 2000's Dolphins. My brother's a Giants fan and I remember Madison helped win them a SB by playing with that same Defensive philosophy. It's a shame for guys that performed at such a high level just to get nothing out of it. Then Ricky came along yet still didn't have a QB lol Wonder why he said this is BS, I want to live longer than 30. Ricky still had a 10k yd career which speaks volumes of the talent he was. He could have been a top 5 RB of ALL Time IMO.
     
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    Don't forget we also had Brock Marion at safety. Always liked Bowens but come on man.....Suh might be going to the HOF while Bowens made ONE pro bowl. Let's not get confused here

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    I think it's a fair comparison and question. Suh is the better player but it's not as if Bowens wasn't in his league. Anyone remember what Timbo did to the Jets center in the Fake Spike game. Look it up - 3 plays in a row he drives that guy back into Boomer off the snap and causes fumbles each time. Somehow the Jets recover them all and punt out of a 4th and 40 or something. Of course, Miami fumbles the punt and the Jets recover. LOL.

    Point is, Bowens could wreak havoc in the backfield too.
     
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    Don't underestimate how amazing wake is, Taylor was a better all around pass rusher(had more moves) and more versatile player but Wake is probably the best pure pass rusher of all time. I don't know how this doesn't come up as a complaint by coaches every game, Wake has been held on literally every other play since he has been in the league, and the league allows it because they don't want a CFL product to show them up. If he didn't get held so much he would have 30 sacks a year, without a doubt.

    Suh is an amazing, generational player, but he's being wasted on this team, never gonna get use out of his talents on a passive defense. He's only going to shine on an aggressive defense, then you would see how truly game changing he can be when not being held down by idiot coaches.
     
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    You have some eccentric ideas. It has to be said. Are you young?
     
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    Bowens was country strong, but Suh is other-worldly strong.
     
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    I was going to say a D-line with Suh and Bowens would be impossible to run on. Bowens took up two blockers regularly and still got push on the O-line and he freed everyone else up to do their jobs. Zach, Gardener, Taylor, Ogunleye...all of them owe a lot of their success to Bowens. Bowens also never freelanced and never complained about not being a center piece.
     
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    Love me some Suh, Gardner, and Timbo. Ahhh, the memories.

    And yes, miss,miss,miss ZT.
     
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    Probably because Suh has all ten toes.
     
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    Yeah Bowens was playing with what, 8-8 1/2 toes due to a lawn mower accident when he was a kid if memory serves me right.
     
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    Completely different defenses. Bowens and Gardner kept blockers off of Zach, Suh and company's job is to get penetration. Zach would never be Zach in this scheme.

    The worst apart of those years was that QB's figured out to step up away from Taylor and Armstrong because Bowens and Gardener never got past the LOS.
     
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    I do but it's because I think for myself. Not really young, 35, but the wake thing isn't that eccentric. Watch every game film on him, he literally gets held every other play on average, its crazy.
     
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  27. Phinz1972

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    I was going to say don't forget Brock Marion but you beat me to it, hell even that mentioned line up with Sammy Knight in the mix.. even when we got him towards the end of his playing days, that guy still brought it.
     
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    The better comparison would actually be with Daryl Gardener, who had more of Suh's mix of strength and quickness than Bowens. Daryl Gardener was probably headed toward being the best defensive tackle in the league if not for his chronic lower back problems. He was a true planet theory player.
     
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    T-Bo and Darryl Gardner were the best DT tandem we ever had. "More of run stuffer" was true during the latter part of his career, but don't forget when he was NFL Defensive ROY He could rush when needed, but they needed him to keep lineman off Zach Thomas, which was imperative because Zach was ineffective when linemen got their hands on him.
     
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    Throw in a Wake and Reshad Jones and you've got a deal
     
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    I am a huge Tim Bowens, I would love to have another Tim Bowens on Miami eventually, but Suh is special, a rare once in a lifetime type player...is it possible to transplant Tbo's Brain, heart, and personality into Jordan Phillips much younger body?
     

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