Time for the Fins to use "The Pistol"

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  1. Danny68

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    good change of pace, but isn't the best offense used for Tanny. I love using the pistol for the zone read bc u don't know where it is going. I would like to see the pistol zone read as another element to compliment what we are doing on offense for about 3-9 snaps a game. But I don't want Tannehill to get hurt bc the thought of Devlin entering a game right now scares me.
     
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    I want Tannehill to use his athleticism as a last resort measure. If the field is wide open or if he is trying to escape. I don't want us to rely on his mobility, because then he has a higher chance of getting hurt.
     
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    No thanks.
     
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    Again, who won the Superbowl. A dropback quarterback. These pistol offenses and athletic QBs win games but they dont win championships.
     
  6. Fins1971

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    The Pistol will go by the wayside just like the Wild Cat did.

    Defenses will figure it out. Baltimore had a pretty good plan in the Super Bowl. Teams will try to copy it.
     
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    SF was five yards away and a blatant defensive holding/pass interference non call from winning the Super Bowl. What are you talking about?
     
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    Flacco threw 2 red zone TD's, Kapenick settled for FG's
     
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    Use the pistol and get Tannehill killed, then wait another decade or so for a decent quarterback. No thank you.
     
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    Horrible idea.
     
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    Without the blackout, Niners aren't even in that game.
     
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    And here I was recently told by a fellow FH poster, that the new fad was multiple TE sets. Hmmm.....

    As for this cool idea. Are you kidding me? Seriously?


    Getting your QB hit by design runs, on a normal basis, makes no ****ing sense. None. Give me a athletic pocket passer who can roll out, climb the pocket and scramble when needed. And we will have a quality QB for many years.
     
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    Yeap. These Pistol offenses are all the rage early on but are short-lived.

    People love RGIII now but soon won't be able to understand why he's not as successful as his rookie season going forward.
     
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    Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan on Serous NFL were talking about how you stop it before the Super Bowl
    Almost the same as the Wildcat.

    Run blitz and protect the strong side. Force the pass, same as the Wild cat.

    And as passing plays go, the read option isn't best suited for a cerebral QB.

    The QB has to hold the ball almost 2 seconds before he is ready to pass. Defenders can wait until the last second to show their defensive positioning and coverage.
    They can actually wait until after the ball is snapped to move to zone. The read option cancels out any pre-snap reads if the D plays it right. Just watch what baltimore did to it.
    Same thing they did to our Wild cat back in 2008. Shut it down.
     
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    RG3is exhibit 1, why i dont want it. Kaepernick while i believe is a better pocket passer, still was only subject to half a season worth of hits, plus he's bigger than Griffen. Let me see them be a full time pocket passer, who only runs when either avoidi.g a sack or occasionally on a designed play. You'd think coaches and fans would learn, stud pocket passers are the ones winning Super Bowls. Running QB, who are dependent on running for success just take too much abuse. This is why Shanahan should be fired, he ran his rookie head long into the NFL buzz saw. Which is why he was hurt like 3 times as a rookie.
     
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    You guys make good points about trying to protect our QB but in honestly there were several occations last year were I thought Ryan should have takin off to keep the defense on their heels.

    Don't change the offense just use your QB's ability to run (and slide) a little more. We're the ones always getting beat by QB draws it seems. Let's use it to our advantage for a change.
     
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    What we need to run the pistol. A WR that can ge deep fast. A TE that can run fast up the seam. I RB can break runs inside or outside.
    We got the QB for it. Now we need the rest of it. We still need a RG or maybe OT if we lose Long.
     
  19. maralieus

    maralieus Lets get those balls deep!!

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    Do you remember who figured out the Wildcat? Oh yeah it was those damn Ravens.
     
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    I think it has a lot to do with them getting hurt and never getting that speed back. The pocket passers have always won the championships.
     
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    No thanks, i want Tannehill upright as often as possible. If we play read-option they can pancake him because he is a viable runner.
     
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    This.
     
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    Rg3's issue is that he gets too brave. Kaepernick is built well and knows how to slide and when to get down. The 49ers will be contending for years to come, running the pistol all the way.

    That said, Tannehill is not Kaepernick. I like Tannehill's passing ability more than Kap's, Kaep is the better athlete. Kaep has way more talent around him, but if i had to choose between the 2 i'm not sure i still wouldn't go with Tannehill.
     
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    Kaepernick will not be nearly as successful next season, mark my words. You can't trick NFL level D coordinators for too long.
     
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    That's a little too soon, isn't it?
     
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    You guys realize that the Pistol is a formation and not a play, right? You don't have to run any designed runs out of it if you don't want, although that's wasting Tannehill's athletic talents. And it's much more versatile than the Wildcat, which was basically just an option-run play. You can run your entire offense out of the Pistol and still have playaction, power running and spread passing. Call it a gimmick if you want, but the 49ers racked up 468 yards and 27 offensive points in the Super Bowl and were 5 yards away from winning.
     
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    C'mon Ben...why are you trying to bring logic into this?
     
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    With all that said. It lead to 6 pts in the red zone in the first half. And took 84mns to cool off the Ravens offense for that team to be within 5 yards of winning.
     
  29. Geforce

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    This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read here at Finheaven.
     
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    I'm sure you have your own share of stupid **** on FH.
     
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    I'm sure I have but I cannot recall any of them being as dumb as this one.
     
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    Sooooo anyone here think we are going to take a second year QB and have him learn a new offensive scheme? I would have to guess no. So honestly i don't see it heading to South Florida.
    Instability and constant change has worked against us in the recent past. Let's just stick to what he knows and let him grow within the offensive philosophy in which he has some experience. It has been mentioned that our front office folks want a college QB with 30 starts so they have in-game experience. Tannehill had 19 college starts at QB and now has 16 more starts at QB. That's 35 starts total and so he has hit the "magic number for QB starts" as per our FO.
    Can't any reasonable person agree that trying a new offense versus growing in the resident offensive scheme be deemed utterly ridiculous? Or does that just too much damn sense?
     
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    You keep adding to the hits.
     
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    As Ben Volin said...the Pistol is a formation and Tannehill is no stranger to it.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...ort-mobile-ryan-tannehill-can-run-and-/nWKQH/
     
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    I really think we should just let the guy perfect the scheme he already has the most experience with- now the rest of the offensive players have experience with it and can help teach concepts to incoming rookies. Thanks for pointing out GE Force, i had not read that article by Volin.
     

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