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Bill Parcells won't reach? How do you guys explain the Pat White pick then? We ALL knew that was a reach when it happened and he's been worthless this year. I'd prefer Hughes over Tate. This team needs youth on defense and particularly LB bad.
 
Sign a free agent WR, and a free agent LB. And draft best available defensive player in the first, hopefully Hughes.
 
I think we'll take someone like Spikes or McClain if they fall to us in Round 1, then get a WR in Round 2.
 
I think if Dez Bryant and Rolando McClain are gone, first thing the Fins will do is try to trade down.

If they cannot do that, I actually believe that Tate would be the pick. They missed out on Nicks last year (who I really wanted), this year they probably need to get a true #1 to help a young QB like Henne, and Tate is a playmaker.
 
ChadHenne said:
I think if Dez Bryant and Rolando McClain are gone, first thing the Fins will do is try to trade down.

If they cannot do that, I actually believe that Tate would be the pick. They missed out on Nicks last year (who I really wanted), this year they probably need to get a true #1 to help a young QB like Henne, and Tate is a playmaker.
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We didnt miss out on anything. They were going Davis and Smith all the way.
 
BigNastyDB13 said:
Bill Parcells won't reach? How do you guys explain the Pat White pick then? We ALL knew that was a reach when it happened and he's been worthless this year. I'd prefer Hughes over Tate. This team needs youth on defense and particularly LB bad.
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I dont think anyone should write off Pat White. This regime has an MO of sticking to their guys and changing up the offense from week to week. They tend to think that if they wait another offseason where most rookies dont produce much, particularly if your in a "specialist" position, then things start to happen.

obviously, if PW goes blank next year, then they will move on.
 
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I hate Tate in the 1st. I think he's a good #2. You'd don't draft #2's in the 1st, and you don't draft #2's when all you have is #2 and #3 WR's. If we don't land the big-time FA, look for us to draft A. Benn, B. Lafell, or Denario Alexander in the 2nd or 3rd.

McClain and D. Bryant will be long gone by the time we draft.

I don't like S. Kindle as a 3-4 OLB. He's athletic, and he moves well laterally, but he doesn't penetrate well. Opinions seem to differ in regard to Brandon Graham - some have him drafted in the top 10; this mock doesn't have him in the 1st. Either way, I think he's the very best SSOLB in the draft (Hughes would be 2nd). In my time off, I posted a brief analysis of Kindle, Sapp, Hughes, and Graham (will probably post it sometime):

So, I've spent the last few hours studying up on the top OLB prospects. In no particular order:

Ricky Sapp

Brandon Graham

Sergio Kindle

Jerry Hughes

. . .

I've been considering who would fit best in our system; who has the most physical talent; and who was most productive in college.

Right away, rule out Sapp. He's small for a WSOLB; he's tiny for SSOLB. Also, look at his production last season: 13 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. He played 4 games against ranked opponents and 9 against unranked teams. Against ranked opponents he had 3.5 tackles for loss (about on pace with his non-ranked numbers), but he only had 1 sack in the games he played against ranked teams. He's fast, but he's undersized, and his production doesn't jump out at all.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/147/1000767/tackleforloss/split.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/147/1000767/sack/split.html

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Then, there's Sergio Kindle - the highest rated player in the bunch, according to Todd McShay. Kindle has decent size at 255, but you'd want him to add about 10 lbs to play SSOLB. Watching tape on him, he's plenty athletic, but he doesn't seem to know how to penetrate. Most of his plays come from running the ball down - as opposed to beating his blocker for quick penetration. Looking at his production: 12.5 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks. Those sack numbers right away are no better than pathetic for a 3-4 OLB projected to be a 1st RD pick. More concerning: 11.5 of his 12.5 tackles for loss came against unranked teams. Granted, he only played two ranked teams, but he only managed 1 tackle for loss in those two games. He also had no sacks against ranked competition. I'll pass.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/703/1003760/tackleforloss/split.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/703/1003760/sack/split.html

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Jerry Hughes is more my speed. He weighs in at 257 - not huge, but getting there, and he plays with the kind of explosion you want from 1st or 2nd RD prospect. His stats: 15 tackles for loss, 11.5 sacks (that's more like it). Like Kindle, he only played against 2 ranked teams, but he was more productive in those games. Against ranked competition, he totaled 3.5 tackles for loss and 2.5 sacks (only one less sack than Kindle had on the entire season). Also, his consistency is a bonus he had at least one tackle for loss and one sack in each of his games against ranked competition.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/698/1007635/tackleforloss/split.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/698/1007635/sack/split.html

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Getting to my favorite: Brandon Graham. He's the biggest at 263, and he plays with real explosion, and once he gets the edge, he's getting to the QB - or RB. I posted a couple of his highlight clips on another thread. He's also the only true SSOLB I see in the bunch. To the stats: 25 tackles for loss (10 more than the next player here), 9.5 sacks. Here's what I love: He played 4 times against ranked teams and 8 times against unranked teams. In those 4 games against ranked teams, he had 15 (!!!) tackles for loss and 5.5 sacks. He comes up big against the best. I fear that he won't be there when we draft, but if he is, I think he might be our guy.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/418/1002051/tackleforloss/split.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/player/418/1002051/sack/split.html



(Note: you can also check out each players game log stats on cfbstats.com)
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http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/12/19/1208898/brief-overview-of-olb-prospects
 
CedarPhin said:
I think we'll take someone like Spikes or McClain if they fall to us in Round 1, then get a WR in Round 2.
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Mccalin spikes wont last till where we are now.
I think we go Gresham round 1 where we are right now spot wise. He wiill prob last until end of round 1 so I see him as our 1st pick.
 
I personally think if we can land one of the good safeties coming out in free agency, our offseason will be a success.

After that, take the best TE, ILB, or NT that falls to us in the first round.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
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I hate Tate in the 1st. I think he's a good #2. You'd don't draft #2's in the 1st, and you don't draft #2's when all you have is #2 and #3 WR's. If we don't land the big-time FA, look for us to draft A. Benn, B. Lafell, or Denario Alexander in the 2nd or 3rd.

McClain and D. Bryant will be long gone by the time we draft.

I don't like S. Kindle as a 3-4 OLB. He's athletic, and he moves well laterally, but he doesn't penetrate well. Opinions seem to differ in regard to Brandon Graham - some have him drafted in the top 10; this mock doesn't have him in the 1st. Either way, I think he's the very best SSOLB in the draft (Hughes would be 2nd). In my time off, I posted a brief analysis of Kindle, Sapp, Hughes, and Graham (will probably post it sometime):



http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/12/19/1208898/brief-overview-of-olb-prospects
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the thing with Graham is people think he's too small to be a full time OLB similar to LaMar Woodley. Graham is listed at 6'2 but is probably a little shorter than that, but you can't deny his production.

Kindle was great as a rush LB as a junior, but struggled A LOT this year as a DE.
 
ChambersWI said:
the thing with Graham is people think he's too small to be a full time OLB similar to LaMar Woodley. Graham is listed at 6'2 but is probably a little shorter than that, but you can't deny his production.

Kindle was great as a rush LB as a junior, but struggled A LOT this year as a DE.
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He reminds me a lot of Woodley. Also, he's the strongest of the OLB prospects, and he would be a GREAT SSOLB. I see Hughes as either WSOLB or SSOLB. I wouldn't mind drafting Hughes in the 1st and Graham in the 2nd - knowing how the FO likes to draft in pairs. Then, Micah Johnson could be there for us in the 3rd.
 
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