Tony Pauline: Dolphins among top suitors for Tank Carradine

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  1. silverfin

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    @TonyPauline Right now the top suitors for Tank Carradine/FSU are Miami Dolphins (12), NY Giants (19) Minnesota Vikings (23 & 25), Falcons in mix
     
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    Best news I've read all draft.
     
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    Hol-eee crap.

    That would make my day.
     
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    There's honestly something in me that believes Ireland is just incapable of making that pick. I really hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Hah, I hope you are too.

    Wonder if all this trade down talk is related.
     
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    normally you would have to wonder about the timing of this but given tank only worked out like 3 days ago it's hard to say this is hot air...seems like maybe it's legit...

    works for me...
     
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    i'd be pretty damn stoked if it was carradine or hayden...and if we somehow ended up with em both...DAMN BLAM
     
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    trade back a few spots and this would be awesome. Him and wake would be pretty fun to watch. I would love to see Tom Brady sandwiched between the two of them.
     
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    the problem i have with trading back to acquire a carradine or a hayden even in front of these other known suitors is these fast risers you just never know when someone off the radar will take your cookies...

    i guess betting on the medical with carradine helps the cause but i was thinking also yesterday when i heard carradine may not be full go for camp someones probably floating that hoping he gets to them...
     
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    Cornelius Carradine is my favorite player in this draft. I really enjoyed watching him play the last 2 seasons. Although he's still recovering from his injury, I have no doubt, once healthy, he could eventually give Miami the solid duel threat RDE the team has been looking for since switching to the 4-3 alignment. I'd be happy IF this is true and Miami selects him @ #12 on Thurs night. This has been the 1st time in a long time, it's been difficult to read what Miami's potential selection would be, even though the teams needs are well documented. Speculation has been rampid this draft season, unlike the past 4-5 seasons where by now most could figure out where Miami was going in the 1st round. I think Carradine is worth the gamble.
     
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    I would trade back no further than Dallas just for the reasons you mentioned even if it just means maybe a 3rd and a 4th rounder instead of a 2nd. Lots of good players are available in all rounds increase you chances with more picks. Kind of like trading up except in reverse.
     
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    so you would give 6 slots where someone could take carradine from you...i don't know man...if one of those teams in the early 20's even really wants him it wouldn't cost much to get to the late teens and trump you...

    i'm a risk taker when it comes to talent all the way but i get a little spooked when it comes to trying to be too cute...i guess it depends on their grade...
     
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    for a 3rd like Egnew, the risk to miss out on a once in a draft disrupter...I'll take Carradine and try to be efficient on the other TEN picks we have, plus UFA's...I want the Bradys, Lucks, and Flaccos out there to hate when Mia is up!!
     
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    I agree, hoops. If you like Carradine at 12, you probably like him a lot (same story for Hayden). Don't get cute. Stay in the pocket, and make the right pick. I would absolutely consider trading back into the 1st for either.
     
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    yeah i mean you have the ammo to take your guy at #12 and come back up in the 20's if need be for another top target...to me given miami has so many picks that's the way i would go about it...
     
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    i think after Hayden, there's a talent fall off, your'e starting to get to that 2nd group of guys (not just at the CB position, but in general). With the picks we have, I'd want to be in on the first group twice. We'd still have plenty of picks for the other rounds. We have needs, but two elite talents would go a lot further than 4 guys struggling to make it.

    If the Bears miss out on Eifert and the O-linemen, they might just want to retreat to that next group of O-linemen at a more realistic value. If we give them 42 and 54, for 20, they get to add two 2nd tier O-linemen instead of reaching for one, and we'd draft before the Bengals, who I think would love to draft him there. Depending on whose available that trade could make a lot of sense. There are other guys I'd trade up for too. 1-5 in this draft is really close to 16-20 imo.
     
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    That would be pretty sick.

    Not that I'm a huge fan of the Branden Albert trade but imagine if the Dolphins were able to for example trade 54 out for Albert, take Hayden at 12, and then trade #42 and #77 up for Carradine.

    Right?
     
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    Of course even after that you still need a Guard, Defensive Tackle and a Running Back. Then you'd have open options for a Wide Receiver, Linebacker, Free Safety and Tight End.

    Too many needs.
     
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    While this is true..I gotta say if we could get Tank and Hayden/Rhodes that would be well worth it. We can't fill every single need..and I'd rather fill 2 needs with elite prospects than 3-4 with average guys
     
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    Yeah, but I'd rather acquire high end players when I have the chance, and grind away at needs as they come. I think Louis could be a solid answer at OG. Albert isn't the way I'd go. I'd rather try Martin on the left and look for a B. Williams around 82. So you still have 12, 42, 54, 77 to spend on position other than O-line. If you can turn 42 and 54 or 42 and 77 into T. Austin, C. Patterson, X. Rhodes, C. Carradine, D. Hayden, J. Hunter (though I wouldn't for Miami, because I don't like the fit), or E. Reid, I think that's something you almost have to do. I think Miami is more devoid of big-time talent than it is riddled with holes. I think we have bunch of guys who are good enough. With a few high end guys, the JAG's look better.

    ---------- Post added at 01:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:21 PM ----------

    Beat me to it.
     
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    i don't know that #42 and #77 would get you up to where you need to be for carradine...seems kinda light to me but who knows...i saw trades last year for less comp then i expected under this new cba
     
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    i'm with the don't worry about all the needs you have roll with jags if need be at some positions mindset and acquire yourself 2 legit talents...i count carradine and hayden as being just that...if you end up using your 1st and both 2nd rounders and a 3rd to get it done i'm in...go for difference makers and your top rated guys this year...difference makers win games...

    i'm done with mediocre results...
     
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    Is that the sound of our medical staff blowing their heads off?

    j/k

    Love both guys. But this kind of creativity and forward thinking is not Jeff Ireland's style.
     
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    Ah, let us dream. This is the first sense we've had that Ireland might, possibly, hopefully not shoot himself in the foot.
     
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    like was mentioned, i dont know if Ireland has it in him to draft Tank but it would make my day. Dont be cute, if you want him take him at 12.
     
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    ha ha well the medical would have to be cleared and let's hope they don't love these guys if they're legs and chest are held together by chicken wire...
     
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    12. Carradine
    20. Hayden
    77. B. Williams
    82. Rambo/D. Williams/P. Thomas (there are a few safeties I'd be happy with here)
    108. Z. Stacy
    139. C. Fuller

    Something that starts like that would make me happy.
     
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    The one thing that makes this scenario somewhat possible is Dallas has mentioned wanting to trade down. So the potential is there for Miami to draft @ #12 and #18. Miami would almost certainly have to give up both 2nd rounders a 3rd rounder and probably something in 2014. The Fact that the NY Giants are rumored to be high on Carradine at #19 and with Jerry Reese having been solid for NY, makes me even want Carradine even more. Just a thought.
     
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    yep...might switch Swope for a third somewhere. I still dont think our WR corp is anything special
     
  30. j-off-her-doll

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    Yeah, depending on who is available, I'm considering WR at every pick - including the trade up. I'm pretty high on Fuller though.
     
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    I like Fuller too, but, I've been wondering if his problem with the drops, is more due to his eyes. I think he may have some eye perception issues, causing him to misjudge the ball. I also think Matthews is going to shine this season, It's a hunch on my part, he seems to be really hungry and very powerful in everything he does on the field.
     
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    I'll have to look out for that with Fuller. And I hope you're right about Matthews. Wish he got more looks last season.
     
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    Oof.

    I'd actually be okay with that at 12. Ballsy, and high-risk, but...wow.
     
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    i think you can get bennie williams later than that...
     
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    Meant Brennan Williams.
     
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    hah....so did i...the unc ot ha ha...i get his and the dt brandon williams names screwed up all the time...mixed in some bennie logan too...
     
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    Haha oh, I was confused for a second. I don't know. Looks like a plug-and-play guy at RT who is really good in the run game. I'd be happy to get that there.
     
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    I was referring to Tank. Replied without reading the thread.
     
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    Breaking those down there is a current roster spot for the free backup safty, running back unless you consider Gray that replacement, guard basically on how you view Jerry, Incog and a host of 2nd year fa rookies and how much insurance you need to build into the linebacker and tight end positons. Yea too many needs your right cause Kicker could be on there too.
     
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    I agree with you on Mathews IMO on Fuller have to do with the concussions he suffered in college which when recievers suffer that type of injury they in many cases loose a lot of confidence in taking the hit and thus their concentration is not the same catching the ball. Fuller caught like 90 passes his junior year and half that his senior year and sounded like he was a walking mash unit. He was considered a high round NFL pick coming out his junior year.
    Thats why I am warry of Swoops who has had concusion issues too coming out of Texaas A&M.
     
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    I was, and I think he was, talking about Corey Fuller - the Virginia Tech WR.
     
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    hayden is the guy who would make me do flips.

    we had a top 5 pass rush last year and our cb's couldnt handle ANYONE!! teams score at will through the air on us.

    our two big time over rated cb's are now gone. thats good. but unfortunately, we now have NOBODY to play cb [and i dont want to hear anyone saying a bum legged, aging, hasnt played in 2 years grimes solves our issue]and our backups are not even good backups much less starters [see carroll].

    it would be nice to have another wake, but, WE NEED CB more than ANY other position. we need 4 to be exact. so HAYDEN [who if were not injured would be a top 3 pic] is the one i would want between the two if ireland is taking a chance on an injured player.

    i think ireland [untill he shows different] isnt running any brilliant smoke screen. o-line chuggers and d-line meat heads are his thing. its been bred into him and it all appears he is going to do offensive line. the thing i noticed in ireland right away was that when the rumours come out of the senior bowl and combine who he is enamoured with, its true. i see whatever happens this weekend being o-line top heavy.

    but mark my words: the reason we lost MOST of the games we have over the last couple years is LACK OF TRUE CB'S!!! bad starters and NO depth! and if ireland doesnt grab 2 early and another later, you are going to see what you did last year. every time we score, the oposition will IMEDIATELY score right back!! and when the game needs to be put away, the oppositions qb will drop back and hit his wr's in stride, into the endzone.

    i dont think AUSTIN [my only non cb pic at #12] will be there at #12, so ireland better send up a card that either has MARCUS TRUFANT or DJ HAYDEN'S name on it. [ i dont like milliner or rhodes, expecially rhodes and milliner will probably be gone]. trufant is the most complete cb in the draft and most injury free. a TRUE ball hawk. a faster sam maddison!! hayden is skills off the chart, but, he IS a major injury concern. i wont cry though if ireland goes hayden as his talent, expecially with cb being our BIGGEST NEED WITH NO CLOSE SECOND, is worth the risk.

    i just do not get the the xavier rhodes interest. not at all. not for us.
     
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    That made me lol. Than I cried due to it being true
     
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    tell me about it dude... I had this master plan to trade back in vip collaborative draft, and somebody took tank like two picks before me.
     
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    Tony Pauline writes in his blog -- the Dolphins have had a lot of contact with Carradine recently, and he becomes a 'real possibility with the 12th selection' if the team can agree to terms with Branden Albert.
     
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    Given Ireland and moreso Philbin's personalities, I'd be SHOCKED if the Dolphins got both those guys. I'd be shocked if we ended up with either one at 12 but I wouldnt be against it.
     
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    As an FSU alumn, I am excited. I would love one of our elite defenders here. These guy can get after the ball and are NFL ready.
     
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    Thing is Carradine and Hayden before this week were slated in the late first (for Carradine) and mid second (For Hayden)... I understand that there is always a late serge on some guys and there are always at least 5-8 suprise players taken in the 1st round that weren't projected to go in the first...

    With the 12th pick we have the luxury to see how things shape up with at least the first 9-10 picks (is there a run on DE's... OL.... do the QB's come into play?) before we decide to make a play to move up or back or stay pat for Johnson, Millner, Carradine, Hayden etc...

    To me 12 is great spot to be at considering we have the ammo to move up if need be or move back a few spots to accuire even more ammo to use on other guys.
     
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    The reason why they weren't being projected as top 15 picks is because of the medical issues. Nobody even knew if Hayden would return to football...then once he got cleared he shot up draft boards...people were still skeptical though so he was in that 2nd round range and then went out and absolutely destroyed his pro day (and workouts apparently). On tape he is easily a top 15 talent..Right up there with Milliner and Rhodes (whom I have yet to figure out why people don't like...just because he is big people label him SS 2.0). As for Carradine...he was similarly flagged for the ACL then went out and destroyed his workout and he's not even 100% yet. Carradine was probably a top 5 pick if he wouldn't have gotten hurt.
     
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    I agree Omen, 12 seems like a pretty sweet spot. Especially if you think at 12 there could be Carradine, Vaccaro, Hayden, Efiert, Austin sitting there, we could drop back 4 spots to the Rams, let them take Austin
    and still fill a need with a great player and maybe grab an additional 3rd.
     

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