Top 5 DE/OLB for 2013 nfl draft

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  1. ROADRUNNER

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    1... Damontre Moore*, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 250.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-10 Pick.

    11/17/12: Moore was moved to defensive end for this season, and he has taken to the position quickly. Moore has shown the ability to be a pass-rushing terror, and his speed around the edge is a big mismatch against offensive tackles.

    The 20-year old junior has been one of the most consistent pass-rushers in college football this season and is one of the nation's leaders with 12.5 sacks. Perhaps even more impressive than that, Moore leads his team with 74 tackles - 11 more than the next closest defender. He has 20 tackles for a loss, two passes broken up, a blocked kick and a forced fumble.

    Moore had 10 tackles and three sacks against Florida in the Aggies' season opener. Moore had a sack and five tackles against Alabama. He has been banged up, but has played productively through the injuries.

    Moore had a great game against LSU. He was tough at the point of attack and made a number of tackles in pursuit. Moore recorded a sack at the end of the first quarter with a rush to the inside. He was too fast and strong for the LSU's third string left tackle. Quarterback Zach Mettenberg stepped up to buy a moment, but Moore quickly changed direction to run down Mettenberg from behind.

    Moore later caused an incompletion with another hit on Mettenberger. Moore hurt his ankle in the second quarter, but gutted it out and was hobbling around between plays. He played well despite the injury with 10 tackles, two tackles for a loss, one sack and a pass batted.

    Moore just needs to add more weight to be a 4-3 end in the NFL.

    8/27/12: Moore was initially beaten out for a starting spot entering the 2011 season. Still, the sophomore worked his way into the lineup and showed his natural pass-rushing skills. He totaled 72 tackles with 17.5 tackles for a loss, 8.5 sacks and four forced fumbles in 2011. That exceeded his excellent production as a freshman - 5.5 sacks, 6.5 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles, and 40 tackles.

    Moore is a speed-rusher off the edge who combined with Sean Porter to produce a tough Aggies pass rush last season. They saw a lot of pass-rushing opportunities in the pass-happy Big XII, but those should be reduced with Texas A&M now in the more balanced SEC.

    Moore is very fast and is adding size. He could push his stock into the first round, but he may be best off to stay for his senior season. Moore was arrested for marijuana possession prior to his sophomore season. His best fit in the NFL would probably be as a 3-4 outside linebacker

    2...Sam Montgomery*, DE/OLB, LSU
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 260.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-16 Pick.
    11/17/12: Montgomery has had a quality season. He played well against Alabama. He totaled three tackles and a sack, plus recovered a fumble. Montgomery was shut down by Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel earlier in October. The Aggies tackle kept Montgomery from getting any pass rush and moved him out of the way in the ground game. He totaled just two tackles and a pass batted.

    Montgomery played a lot better against South Carolina compared to his performance against Florida. Montgomery had two sacks and a forced fumble versus the Gamecocks. He had much better run defense as well.

    Montgomery has been more disruptive than his totals indicate. He has 28 tackles, 11 tackles for a loss, and six sacks this year.

    The added bulk that the redshirt junior packed on over the offseason looks like it is helping him in shedding blocks. He also looks more explosive another year removed from the knee injury that knocked him out two seasons ago.

    8/27/12: Montgomery had a breakout sophomore season and led LSU's talented defense in sacks. The Tigers' defensive line was comprised of future NFL linemen with the potential for multiple first-round picks. He totaled 49 tackles with 13.5 tackles for a loss, nine sacks and one forced fumble in 2011.

    Montgomery was a key cog in LSU having the second-ranked scoring defense in the nation and the second total defense. He considered entering the 2012 NFL Draft, but decided to finish his degree.

    Montgomery had 18 tackles with six tackles for a loss and two sacks as a freshman. He is a dangerous speed-rusher who needs to add weight for the NFL. Montgomery has a big frame, so he shouldn't have any problem adding more bulk for the next level. Montgomery is another year removed from knee surgery, so he could be even better in 2012.


    3... Barkevious Mingo*, DE/OLB, LSU
    Height: 6-5. Weight: 240.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-16 Pick.

    11/17/12: Mingo had a bit of a slow start to the season, but picked it up during conference play. Although, Mingo has proven this year that he should be a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL. He's very undersized and not strong enough to be a 4-3 end.

    Mingo played well against South Carolina. He picked up four tackles and a sack, and had other pressure on quarterback Connor Shaw. Mingo started out well against Florida a week earlier. He pressured Jeff Driskel to help force a sack for Bennie Logan. Logan ripped the ball out and Mingo recovered the loose ball inside the Gators' 10-yard line. He was getting pushed around in the ground game during the second half, and Florida had a lot of success running at him.

    D.J. Fluker, Alabama's right tackle, has struggled all year in pass protection, yet Mingo was a non-factor against him aside from two plays. Mingot drew a holding penalty and batted down a third-down pass attempt, but overall Fluker kept him from making an impact against the Crimson Tide.

    Mingo recorded his first sack of the year versus Towson. He came close to a number of sacks against Auburn and Washington, but put regular pressure on the quarterback. Mingo has seen numerous double-teams his direction in 2012. He has 29 tackles, 5.5 tackles for a loss and four sacks this season.

    8/27/12: Mingo is a fabulous athlete and a pure speed-rusher. The sophomore was constantly making plays in the backfield last season. Mingo recorded 46 tackles with 15 tackles for a loss, eight sacks and a forced fumble in 2011. The lower weight gave him some problems in run defense, so he'll need to add strength for the next level. Mingo had 35 tackles with 2.5 sacks, 5.5 tackles for a loss, two forced fumbles and six passes batted as a freshman.

    Mingo was more disruptive and had more pass pressure than his 2011 sack total indicates. He helped create sacks for fellow end Sam Montgomery by flushing quarterbacks towards Montgomery. With a great supporting cast around him, Mingo looks poised for a huge 2012 season.

    Like Montgomery, Mingo should be able to add weight as he has a tall frame. Mingo and Montgomery are capable of producing huge seasons that vault them to the top of their draft classes.


    4... Bjoern Werner*, DE, Florida State
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
    Projected Round (2013): Top-20 Pick.

    11/17/12: Werner has cooled down some after a hot start to ths 2012. When Florida State needed a pass rush badly late in the game against North Carolina State, he was a non-factor.

    Werner saw extra blocking attention against Clemson. The junior was active and had some pressures on quarterback Tajh Boyd. Werner totaled four tackles and one pass breakup.

    The junior has received extra blocking attention this year since Brandon Jenkins went out of the lineup, and that has helped teammate Tank Carradine have a breakout season. Werner started the year with four sacks in a dominating performance against Murray State.

    Werner currently has 29 tackles, eight sacks, 12.5 tackles for a loss, six passes batted and a forced fumble.

    8/27/12: Werner is strong, physical beast at the line of scrimmage. He pushes offensive line around and plays with violence. The Berlin, Germany product combines a good motor with a mean streak. Werner is a tough run defender at the point of attack.

    The sophomore occasionally outplayed teammate Brandon Jenkins last season. Werner (6-4, 273) broke out with some dominating games and seven sacks in 2011. He also had 37 tackles, 11 tackles for a loss, one interception, one forced fumble and eight pass breakups.

    Werner had 3.5 sacks as a true freshman in 2010. Don't be surprised if Werner has a massive 2012 season.

    5... Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 265.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
    Projected Round (2013): 1-2.

    11/17/12: Okafor has had a good senior season and has been a consistent pass-rusher. His job got harder after Jackson Jeffcoat went out for the season with a torn pectoral, but Okafor has remained productive. The senior has totaled 46 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 12 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles, a blocked kick and a pass batted.

    Oklahoma held Okafor in check, and it was his worst game of the season. However, he has been Texas' best defensive lineman and a more consistent producer of splash plays than teammate Jackson Jeffcoat was. Okafor has been beating offensive tackles with speed, strength and a repertoire of pass-rushing moves.

    Okafor made two massive plays to help his team almost pull out a win against West Virginia. He beat the right tackle with a speed rush just before halftime, dropped his shoulder to get leverage and planted Geno Smith on his back. The hit forced the ball out and Jackson Jeffcoat recovered it just over the goal line for a Longhorns' touchdown.

    In the fourth quarter with Texas down by three, Okafor made a game-changing play. He bull-rushed the right tackle straight into Smith. Okafor reached out while falling to the ground and slapped the ball out of Smith's hand. The Longhorns recovered the ball at West Virginia's 12-yard line, but they missed their field goal attempt. Okafor also registered a blocked kick in the game and a number of other pressures on Smith.

    8/27/12: Okafor was one of the top defensive ends in the Big XII in 2011. He was a First-Team All-Big XII selection. Okafor totaled 58 tackles with 14 tackles for a loss, seven sacks, three passes batted and two forced fumbles. He had 2.5 sacks as a sophomore in 2010.

    Like Jeffcoat, Okafor has a nice skill set with speed and physicality. Plus, he is adept at getting upfield and is a disruptive rusher. Okafor is very solid as a run defender. He holds his ground at the point of attack and does not get pushed around.

    The Longhorns have lined Okafor up in a variety of places. He has done a lot of stand-up edge rushing over the tackle as well as blitzing over interior linemen as a linebacker. Okafor definitely has the length and athleticism to be an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense.

    Okafor should be primed for a big season and could be an early-round pick. He will get plenty of opportunities to rush the passer given the passing-driven nature of the Big XII. With teammate Jackson Jeffcoat on the other side of the line, Okafor should still see plenty of one-on-one pass-rushing opportunities


    http://walterfootball.com/draft2013OLB3-4.php
     
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  2. 2413fanphins

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    I love mingo and werner. would be estatic with either of them as our first round selection...

    than onto CB and WR...
     
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    Jarvis Jones should be on that list.
     
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    Now this is a surprise to me I don't get to watch much College Fb. However whenever I've seen the guy play particularly on the line, hes explosive and gets to the Qb. Watching "Bjoern Werner" I see Jared Odrick...
     
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    I dont see jared odrick at all watching werner play.

    he's a handful when he's double teamed, which often is the case, and when he see's one on one with a RT, he's more than likely in the backfield. defenses have to choose who to double up on, carradine, or werner. usually they double at least one or the other, I've seen where they didn't double either one and werner and tank met at the quarterback.

    nothing ala jared odrick here at all from my perspective.
     
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    From a Strength prospective particularly playing on the inside..sure I see some push. However as a DE i don't see much explosiveness and initial quickness! Now the "Damontre Moore" kid theirs no guessing he jumps out at you!
     
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    damontre moore is a beast. I see no reason he should fall out of the top five. I have to disagree with you on werner I guess. or maybe I could watch more of him and try to see why I am overexagerating his skillset.

    either way, It seems we agree that an edge rusher has to be on the radar for the phins, and I'd prefer it be in round one!
     
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    Call me crazy but if Moores not available give me "Jarvis Jones" and I will be ecstatic!
     
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    Are you watching florida/fsu.
    if so you saw the sack. There is certainly some initial explosiveness to werner! 10.5 sacks on the year now
     
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    Did you see they game that "Moore" had against Florida?
     
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    No way Moore is that slow and Montgomery is that fast.
     
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    You just copied and pasted Charlie Campbell's rankings on Walter Football without giving them credit or providing a link.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2013OLB3-4.php

    Order is different, but the commentary is exactly the same.
     
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    Are you watching the same Werner? Werner is explosive off the LOS. Odrick should be a DT in a 4-3.
     
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    Jarvis Jones is the best OLB in the country. To not even have him anywhere on this list is laughable.
     
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    I totally agree with 2412fanphins if miami takes either one especially werner.

    From my perspective these are my top 3 based on each categorical skill-set from the 6 prospects discussed:

    Body control(lean), balance, ankle flexion
    1. Werner
    2. Mingo
    3a. Jarvis
    3b. Moore

    Pass rush repertoire, hand strike, pocket push
    1. Mingo
    2. Werner
    3. Moore

    Awareness, play recognition(screens & options)
    1. Werner
    2. Mingo
    3. Jarvis

    Destructiveness(TFL), quickness off LOS, closing speed
    1. Werner
    2. Mingo
    3. Jarvis

    Shed blocks, POA strength, in-position for tackle
    1a. Mingo
    1b. Werner
    3. Moore

    Sam Montgomery would have ranked last in each category based on my assessment.
     
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    Every day I'm reminded (and humbled by) just how much people can watch the same video tape and see completely different things. Earlier today was a great example when someone (who is, believe it or not, a pretty intelligent football fan) questioned whether Manti Te'o has the physical skills to be good at the next level. I thought I (or he) was taking crazy pills. Manti Te'o has the wheels and cutback agility of an elite tailback (especially when you take size into account)...he just hasn't always been a guy that stays zeroed in on what the offense is doing from snap to whistle, until this year.

    Now I see someone compare Bjoern Werner to Jared Odrick and I'm just thinking to myself...well anyway, I don't need to describe it because it's not my intention to come off sounding mean or critical of anyone's opinion. Jared Odrick was a lengthy-bodied defensive tackle in in Penn State's gap shooting penetration scheme, had some good get-off and pad level for the position (emphasis on the position, defensive tackle), played square and behind his shoulder pads, and fell down too much. Bjoern Werner just doesn't resemble him in any way that I can think of, physically, in style, in scheme or role. That's just a tough one, for me.

    It's just weird to me when people don't see a guy that gets off the snap in Bjoern Werner because it's probably the greatest asset in his game. He's very aware and that's a huge asset for him, but let's face it you can draft guys with awareness in any round. You can't necessarily draft a guy who consistently gets off the ball faster than anyone else and that's what Werner does. He'll blow by an offensive tackle like he's standing still. There's a ton of quick twitch in Bjoern Werner's game. Florida State has been experimenting more lately with standing Werner up and moving him a little bit pre-snap, letting him some slack in his rush. Scary results.

    My biggest gripes with him are thus:

    1. He doesn't always bend and come back to the quarterback. Which by the way is the same criticism you can say about pretty much every pass rusher, ever. It's like criticizing a basketball player because he misses some shots. But nonetheless, there it is.

    2. There's this really annoying habit of giving up on the pursuit. I've never seen him take a play off, ever. But I sure as hell have seen him quite a few times go into energy conservation mode during a play when he probably could've pursued more.
     
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    Anyone questioning Manti Te'o and his athleticism needs to watch him against Michigan where he spied Denard Robinson all game. That entire defense is built around him and what he can do.... and it's the only reason Notre Dame is undefeated and playing for the national title.

    He's playing faster than any linebacker I've seen in college since Patrick Willis. He's reading his keys better as a Senior and it's really allowed him to look like there's 3 of him on the field.
     
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    yeah but teo hadn't created a turnover in college til his senior season if i recall that correctly...just seems odd to me that this year all the sudden he's become this turnover machine...anyways that kids the heart and soul of that notre dame team...although they got some really good college football players on that squad now...
     
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    That's what has stood out to me this year. The improvement is surprising. A year ago between he, Shayne Skov and Luke Kuechly I had him as clearly the most athletically impressive but also the worst of the three overall because he was slow on the read at times and took a lot of wasted steps. None of that this year. Remarkable turnaround in that particular facet of his game. The athleticism (range) and agility (cutback) have always been freakish. Urlacher-like.
     
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    He's forced turnovers, just not interceptions. He forced a fumble against Florida St. last year in the Citrus Bowl that Zeke Motta returned for a touchdown. He forced another one against Michigan his sophomore year.

    One of the questions I had about Te'o was pass coverage, which he's improved by leaps and bounds as a Senior. The results of it are the 7 interceptions.
     
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    Is Quanterus Smith now UDFA material after tearing his ACL? I'd take a flyer on him.
     
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    I would be surprised if that made him a UDFA, unless the medical on it looks really ugly. And yes I'd absolutely take a flier on him.
     
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    Ezekiel Ansah - I know he is not top 5 DE but if we could get him in the second round tha twould allow us to get a WR or CB in the first which I think we really need. This guy is a beast I have never seen a guy at 275lbs close so fast but then be strong enough to hold up at the point of attack.
     
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    Ansah is an intriguing prospect. His measurables are going to raise his draft stock. I see him as a poor man's Chandler Jones whom the patriots took with their 1st round pick last year. Right now he;s fringe early 2nd pick untill latest 40th IMO. So Miami does have a shot at him right now pre-combine. However the combine will showcase his pure athleticism especially short shuttle and 3-cones. Also Mayock is enthused almost gushing over his potential.

    BYU had Ansah roaming across the line from hands up in 5 technique to zero across the center. He has a "relentless motor" playing to the whistle. I have only 2 criticisms of his: firstly he relies primarily on bullrush and being stonewall too often. With coaching and tutelage from Wake, his pass rush repertoire will expand. Additionally as Ansah gains access to these techniques, his second criticism will alleviated since he can counter OL and reengage.

    IMO his NFL position: Elephant rusher - weakside 6 or 7 technique
     
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    Ansah is a little more disruptive playing from a 2-point stance than he is with his hand on the ground right now. He's too raw and inexperienced at football and hasn't had the chance to really learn the fundamentals and technique to be a consistent force from a 3-point stance.

    His core strength and natural functional football strength are rare for such an inexperienced player.

    I like the elephant rusher concept. I think that fits him perfectly. This kid reminds me of Willie McGinnest. I think he has that type of potential after he's received a little seasoning.
     
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    I'd rather go the werner route in round one, and address WR with our early 2nd round pick... maybe even back to back 2nd round picks on a corner.

    i'm not even against something like werner, WR, WR, than a flyer on carradine in the third... although I have an eye on jonathon cooper in there somewhere depending on how our OL shakes out...

    big dogs... any chance carradine makes it to the fourth or fifth round???
     

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