Tyler Eifert slipping!?

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  1. Phinfan31

    Phinfan31 A True Fan Donator

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    At one point I thought it would be hard for him to slip past 15. Of the 8 mock drafts on NFL.com only 4 have him going in the 1st round at all...and none have him higher than #25 - GB's pick.

    So the question is...if we wanted him, would we take him at 12, or work a trade back to the late teens or early 20s?

    What do you guys think about him? Id be happy to pass on a Milliner, Rhodes, and Trufant...in order to get Eifert and a Jamar Taylor, etc.
     
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    I think he's the best offensive weapon in the draft. That includes Tavon
     
  3. Show Me Your TDs

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    If he is one of our targets and no one at 12 fits our board BPA then we should move down 5-6 spots and take him. This offense needs a TE.
     
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    Doesn't surprise me. A lot of the league and media cling on to the ole timey days when you didn't draft TEs early (because they weren't the weapons they are today) and you spent heavy on the line. Somehow they remained unswayed by the likes of Gonzalez, Gronk, Hernandez, Gates, Witten, Graham, etc. Makes no sense to me. A strange stubborness.
     
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    Slipping? He's always been considered a late first to mid second round talent. He's solid but nothing special much like Dennis Pitta and Dustin Keller. As a matter of fact, his measurables are almost identical to those two.
     
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    I am thinking trading down makes more sense than moving up....the top three LT's will all likely be gone, so I am cool taking Eifert or T. Austin around 18, or BPA who fits our needs.
     
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    non-sense!
     
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    Eiferts measureables are not identical to Pita and Kelller as they are not 6-6 with the wingspan and catching radius Eifert has thus making him a red zone target which is exactly what we need
     
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    He's not slipping lol. He's a decent tight end...that's it. Nothing more.

    But Miami needs a tight end so the fans around have slurped him and hyped him up. This is what Eifert always was. He's a #22-#27 pick. Always has been.
     
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    I could see Miami taking him at 12. I have been clear that I think Ertz is better. However, my opinion and my prediction are two different things.
     
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    We have Keller, Charles clay & egnew. Granted egnew has been awful so far, but webknewcwhen we drafted him he would be a development TE. This year the strength is along both lines. With cog n jerry FA next year and bit fitting ZBS, I want J.Cooper!
     
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    I do like jamar taylor.
     
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    Not disagreeing with you but how is Ertz better?
     
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    Tyler Eifert would be an absolute huge addition for the Dolphins. He attacks the ball in the air, has great balance, great hands.

    No doubt, Eifert is worth the #12 pick for Miami.

    Always draft blue chip stock in the 1st.
     
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    I think Ertz is a Jason Witten-like TE. Solid in-line blocker and will be a reliable target for his QB.

    Plus, I think Eifert is a tad soft.
     
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    Ertz isn't blocking **** with his t-rex arms.

    The Witten comparison is strange at best.
     
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    Eifert's blocking>Ertz's blocking

    You call Eifert soft but compared Ertz to Witten? Compared to Witten Ertz is soft.
     
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    I love the "arm measurement" garbage. Pass on a excellent player because his arms are shorter than his contemporaries by an inch.

    Secondly, I am not the first to mention the Witten comparison.

    Eifert is a subpar blocker to Ertz.

    I would rather snag another position at 12 (or trade up) and get a TE in rounds 2-4. Ertz, Escobar, Kelce and McDonald are not that far behind Eifert.

    Make no mistake though, I could see the Fins drafting Eifert on the first night of the draft. I just do not think it is of much value.
     
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    I thinks it's funny that all the people that either don't like Eifert or think Ertz will be a better pro than Eifert cannot provide tangible evidence for their statements, everything is based upon opinion rather than fact or logic.
     
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    daniel jeremiah threw that out there...and my immediate thought was ertz is not the level in line blocker witten is...weird comparison...about as wierd as jeremiah still plugging ansah to 34 teams as an olb fit...actually the ansah olb ones probably worse...
     
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    The length of his arms are fine. Might as well put Fluker (who I like) #1 overall because he has the longest arms for an OT.

    ---------- Post added at 02:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:33 PM ----------

    More to the game than something so small in comparison to his competition.
     
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    ertz blocks more like an h back than a dependable in line te...i sure wouldn't ask him to keep guys at bay very much in line...the pass receiving comparisons with witten may hold water i guess but the blocking ones hell no

    eiferts not all world either as a blocker but he won't embarrass you and you won't have to wait while he learns to not play like a skirt like michael egnew i can tell ya that much...

    ertz is gonna play day one for someone also provided they don't ask him to handle himself in line...
     
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    But we need a TE who can block this year. Our OT positions are unsettled and our RB crew is young. Eifert and Ertz are good polished receivers so they are graded high, but neither has the blocking skills of some of the lower guys. Dion Sims, Nick Kasa, and Micheal Williams can all block now, they are bigger, and each has shown the ability to catch the football which they can develop this year alongside Dustin Keller. So for a 4th rounder we would get the guy we need this year and plus they have upside for the future; meanwhile we save pick #12 for something more useful. Finally, it gives the team a full season to sort out the TE position with the new blocker, Keller, Clay, Egnew and whomever else, going forward.

    RW
     
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    Ertz has dino arms? Only an inch and a half shorter than Eifert or Escobar. I have been told an inch and a half matters in some places but not that much for catching. That equates to what, one or two drops in a career? I like Eifert dropping, thatll give us more options for drafting a TE at 2a. Ertz, Eifert, Escobar, etc are all a crap shoot. They are all really solid TEs but 10 years from now any one of them could have had a better career than the other. That's why I like Ertz at 2a if he is there. Eifert will prob be gone, we could use a good TE to complement Keller, and that's not overreaching.
     
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    Jeremiah is not the only one.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664282

    Ertz is a fine blocker and the Witten comparison is accurate IMO.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to draft Eifert in the 2nd round, but the chances of the happening are slim. I think sometimes people confuse the issues of talent vs value. Most would agree that Eifert is the better athlete and prospect. The debate is whether Eifert at 12 + a CB/OT at 42 is better than a CB/OT at 12 + Ertz at 42.

    Way too many variables to answer that. We can begin to debate after the 2nd round is complete, however who knows until 2-3 years after that.
     
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    the end of story deal for me with eifert is that he himself wants to get better and be the best. he aint bs.

    that's where greatness exists. he knows he can be a better blocker and he has worked hard on it in the past.

    as far as dropping, it will be because other OL/DL/CB/WR is in big need for many and safety is deep. TE becomes secondary for many. like us, after we trade up for our LT.
     
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    he can slip all he wants in the eyes of journos on nfl.com and other crappy draft sites. I would still pick him at twelve and have a giant smirk on my face the entire way home from new york.
     
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    Ukdolfan, I agree. Minimum 6 TDs his rookie year, majority in the redzone.
     
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    Both are subpar blockers, Eifert just does it better imo. Not saying I would choose Eifert in the 1st, although I would, because like you said there other TEs. Esobar's blocking is atrocious and will not seperate from LBs, McDonald has questionable hands, and we already covered Ertz. I'd say Kelce is right behind Eifert and wouldn't mind using 2b or 3a on him.
     
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    Regarding value:
    At #12 you'll most likely get Xavier Rhodes/Desmond Trufant and the top OTs are gone at #42 but you'll also have Ertz. Taking Eifert at #12 would leave you with Jamar Taylor, Jordan Poyer, possibly Johnthan Banks, Darius Slay, and D.J. Hayden as possibilities at #42 along with a raw Terron Armstead at LT and possibly Menelik Watson at RT (will most likely be reached for in the 1st) available.

    I agree with the 2-3 years assessment, but remember some players blossom earlier than later.
     
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    Both OTs might be gone at 12 but two elite OGs might not be.
     
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    I like Ertz, but Gavin Escobar I think will be just as good as Eifert. Match up nightmare and a red zone target. I like that kid. His poor combine has people souring on him...that is a mistake.
     
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    Positionally, certain positions have a draft range that most fans don't consider. For instance, it's very rare for a G or C to go before the 20's, because the drop off from a good G/C to an average G/C isn't very big. There are simply a large supply of interior linemen who can do a decent job. OT on the other hand, requires a certain quickness that is hard to find in guys of that size, so those are rarer. Finding one quick enough to play LT with all the other things that all the other OL guys have too is very hard to find, thus the premium.

    TE's suffer from the fact that many offenses substitute them out for another WR, so many aren't every down players. Most TE's coming out of college are glorified possession receivers or rocked up seam receivers. Finding someone who blocks effectively and adds the passing dimension like a Witten, Gonzalez or Vernon Davis is rare these days. Eifert is a receiver, but not a great blocker yet, so he'll probably go in the 20's somewhere. He's the best red zone threat in this draft--something we desperately lack--with 6'6, long arms, good vertical, and a wonderful ability to high point the ball, he catches over everyone. He is also probably the best catcher in traffic that this draft has as well.

    If Eifert makes it into the 20's, I'd try to trade up from #42 to draft him. IMHO, he is not only a truly great player in a draft that ultimately will have a lot of busts, but also exactly what the Dolphins and Tannehill need.
     
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    I'd just take Kelce with our 2b or one of our 3rd round selections.. Great hands and a pretty good blocker as well..
     
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    100% agree

    I wanted Russell Wilson last year, but the inches not the game tape counted against him.

    I like Damontre Moore. Kid is only 20 and has the work ethic to keep improving. Was a top 5 pick before combine. If we can trade down and snag him I would be delighted. Can you imagine how could he could be in 2-3 years????
     
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    I'm starting to come around to Kelce. Most polished TE in the draft. He's flying up draft boards unfortunately and will be taken in the 2nd hopefully falling to 2b.
     
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    That's an apt comparison, although I'd say that Ertz is a tad stronger and more athletic while Witten is a natural leader and more reliable catcher. The thing about Ertz's blocking though, while he undeniably has power, he doesn't finish his blocks, and his man often makes the tackle. I think it's a technique/repetition thing, but it is definitely worrisome.

    We disagree about Eifert. I see him as the best TE in this draft and a star in this league. Watching his game he reminds me of Tony Gonzalez ... tools to become a solid blocker and already OK at it, but elite size/athleticism combo to pair with soft hands and great durability. Eifert is the best catcher of the ball in traffic in this draft at any position. He uses his size well to jostle DB's away from the ball at opportune moments, his combo of height/long arms/jumping ability gives him the length and lift to out-jump DB's, and he has an excellent sense of timing to high-point the ball. He'll be the quintessential red zone threat, reliable 3rd down converter, and everpresent seam threat. Eifert is my first choice at #12. I'll be happy if we get Lane Johnson or Cordarrelle Patterson too, but Eifert would be my pick. Great player that fills a need and is tailor made for what our team lacks.
     
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    Im starting to get the feeling we wont be picking up a TE at all. In my mock I have a TE at our 2a slot (Ertz prob) and think there is good value there. Looking at our depth chart though with Keller, Clay, and Egnew Im no so sure they will pick one up. I feel as if our FO is willing to give Egnew another chance this year and hopefully he got whatever worked out that made him a headcase last year.

    Man I hope Im wrong, because if Eifert slipps and we can grab him or Ertz at 2a itd be nice.
     
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    How many 1st round picks have we wasted on a bust or mediocre player? Eiffert is a sure bet and star. Don't play around, grab him at 12. You don't "overdraft" for a future red zone threat star...
     

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