Discussion in 'Beasts of the AFC East' started by ROADRUNNER, Mar 21, 2014.
So much confidence in Geno Smith....
With the 9th pick of the 2015 NFL draft the New York Jets select QB..............
My scorching hottest buttons are cruelty to children and animals - so although he looks like he turned his life around, I'll always hate his guts. Guess he's now in the most appropriate place to do so, eh?
Jets sign Micheal Vick
Would much rather that Vick was not a jet. He should be a competent qb while Geno Smith learns. Sanchez leaving the Jets is bad news for dolphans. Much rather face a work in progress at qb and Sanchez and his 50 percent completions.
****...... Why in our division? Why? There is always an IF factor and I don't like it being on the Jets.
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Good. Vick will help them accomplish their mission of being an irrelevant, ****hole of a team.
Vick has never been a competent QB.
your welcome to your opinion but reality does not bare that out, Vick is a 4 time pro bowler at qb .
He has played at the very least competent at qb for Philidelphia the past 5 years. If Vick is not a competent qb in your opinion then Matt Moore must be complete garbage.
notice I never even called him a good qb but he has been better than Sanchez, Smith and Moore. In 2010 esp he played very well. Whatever though everyone has an opinion but Vick not being a competent NFL qb really has little very few facts to back it up. Over the past 5 years with Philly he has a 87 qb rating over that time.
:lol: I remember Junc making all these same arguments about Mark Sanchez.
Junc could never use that same argument. His only argument is playoff success so epic fail comparing the argument
too ****ing funny - and of course symbolic of how they do things "right"!
Only the jets could sign Michael Vick on "National Puppy Day"
Those stats are padded by one spectacular season surrounded by some pretty injury riddled, average ones if memory serves me correctly. Vick's Pro Bowl days are long gone.
What I like about this from a Jet Hating POV is that this move will NOT help Geno Smith grow. Vick is gonna beat him out in camp. He is absolutely, positively a competent QB, with flashes of brilliance...for about 11 games a year. He is simply incapable of preserving himself, and is becoming increasingly brittle with age.
Geno Smith will be playing by Week 5 at the latest, and then when Vick is capable of playing again (Week 7), Smith will end up getting yanked. More of the same turnstile/controversy the Jets have been churning out at QB for the last few years.
Vick is a terrible player. He always has been.
The guy was nothing more than a bunch of hype and it still carries over today for some reason.
He had one pretty good season in Atlanta. He had one good season in Philly and I say good season because he was tremendous for a stretch of games then back to earth for some. All in all I say a good season.
But, that was it. The rest of his time at QB in the NFL he has pretty much been terrible. He cant throw...... period. On top of that is the amount of time he spends injured due to having no clue how to move in the pocket and fire at open receivers. He dances everywhere and runs around from sideline to sideline in the backfield before taking sacks and/or fumbling. When he does get throws off he tends to turn it over that way as well.
He has always been a sack taking, turnover machine who will occasionally beat you with a run or long pass, but not often enough to outweigh his negative plays.
Vick to the Jest. Well I'll be dog gone. :crazy:
Apparently, Fatty McGee just loves QB controversies. The smartest thing they could have done was cut Sanchez and get a backup QB that would pose no risk to Smith and just give Smith the reins. I was worried that was the direction they were headed when they cut buttfumble. Win-win for them because if Smith succeeds, they have their QB and if he doesn't, they learn sooner and can move on. Instead, they do this. :lol:
I'm sure Vick will show his flashes of being a great running back every once in a while, before he hurts his vagina midseason, of course. Nobody will suffer from it more than Smith.
Michael Vick is not a particularly good quarterback. I'm sad to see Sanchez gone, but it was inevitable.
This is only good news if the Jets don't draft a QB.
You think so? He didn't just kill dogs (which would be bad enough) he tortured them. People who get off on torture (people or animals) can not be change by just a couple years in jail. Vick played the game and acts like he is a better person because he realized that without the NFL he is nothing. Someone who enjoys torture will always enjoy torture. It is just a matter of time until he 'relapses'.
Another reason to despise the Jets.
Lately the Jets seem to like the headline grabbing signing/trade at the quarterback position and it just hasn't worked out. Favre was a flop, Tebow was a flop, and the chances are Vick will be a flop.
I already know what the response to this one will be. You guys had X amount of players arrested for blah, blah, blah. Still, this is funny.
Sarah McLachlan doesn't approve of this signing.
Junc makes fun of the Dolphins all the time for their arrest record in comparison to the Jets arrest record. However, the Jets just signed an actual felon.
Well obviously u dont know what a competent qb is. He has never been a terri
He has never been a terrible qb but hell in your world your opinion changes like wind. Tannehill is top 10 thenhe is bust. Hell you even think moore is a good qb. Is vicka good qb overall not really but he is not terrible. He is competent just as said but feel free to rant on
Its called not having blind faith in a player. If Geno is the real deal bringing in Vick won't matter. This was a very solid move by Idzik.
Oh please. If the Dolphins would do something similar you Jetsfans would have definitely made more of it than calling it a solid move.
I wouldn't want Vick on my team even if he was a HOFer.
The Vick brothers are just bad people period.
Just a reminder about Marcus Vick
I was horrified when we signed Marcus Vick. Thankfully he really didn't see much of any playtime and was gone rather quickly. One of Saban's great legacies with the Phins.
As that dog lay on the ground, fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its back legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed it to the ground. The first impact didn't kill it. So, Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground until, at last, the little red dog was dead."
Potential landing spots for Sanchez:
Rams: As a backup
Bills: Not clear as a backup or starter
Packers: As a backup
Browns: Wanted to push any rookie they draft
The ten seconds of the video sums it all up.
Sanchez wouldn't start for the Bills.
LOL. I like Junc and at the risk of drawing his wrath I kind of suspect the same thing. I really do believe the potential was there for Sanchez to be a good qb at one time, but the psychological effect of being tragically bad towards the end of his tenure with the Jets probably will linger throughout the rest of his career. I think at this point the guy is damaged goods and I don't see him walking into many NFL locker rooms (outside of maybe Jacksonville or Cleveland) and just taking the starting job away from the incumbent.
The guy played well under MM when he took over in 2010 until he got hurt in 2011. Hasn't done a whole lot since but injuries can be attributed to a lot of that. The fact of the matter is, as a player, he was no worse then any other QB option who was available. Only other guy was really Schaub. I'd probably rather have Schaub but he looked really bad last year, and is a guy who relies more on his accuracy then actual arm strength which could hurt him in the northeast.
he was probably the best free agent option of a weak lot. probably nothing special but an upgrade on the roster at qb for a .500team last year. Funny how some posters want to act like he is a horrible qb while many of the same people act like moore is a good qb.
The object of free agency is to get better. We got better at LT by signing Albert. They have a developing qb and Vick is the vet. Im not sure who people expected the Jets to be able to trot out at Qb. For what was available the Jets did solid on this move.
Not a fan of pff but they said it best.
Vick seemed like a natural fit for the Eagles’ new offense when Chip Kelly was hired last offseason. After a solid showing in the preseason he clearly beat out Nick Foles as the starter. A hamstring injury early in the season kept Vick on the sidelines while Foles performed well enough to retain the starting job for the remainder of the season.
Although Vick isn’t the most accurate quarterback, he has improved as a pocket passer over the years. Athleticism is his biggest asset, allowing him to extend plays into huge gains—something that many other passers are incapable of producing. It comes with a price though, as we have seen year in and year out that his style of play poses a greater injury risk.
Vick is the most talented quarterback of the bunch. That said, as a 34-year-old, injury-prone, mobile quarterback, his time as a starter is ticking. He could be a very good option for one or two seasons for a team that wants to develop a younger player or has no viable starting option currently on the roster.
The man hung and electrocuted dogs, he is a ****ing sociopath.
as much as I love dogs I don't think he is a sociopath. I think he was raised in an environment that condoned dog fighting. I think its disgusting but hell some people eat dogs. This is what dogfighters do, anyone that thinks that dogfighters are good stewards of animals is really naïve.
These dogs are trained for this purpose and if they cant do it they are of no use. They don't look at dogs the same way as normal people. Not all people feel a sense of morality when it comes to dogs. I don't condone this disgusting behavior in any way but this doesn't make him a sociopath.
I preferred Mark to stay but w/ him gone I'm ok w/ Vick as a vet that can push geno and help him develop.
How are you holding up? Sorry for your loss, we are here for you if you need anything.
It was your only move. In 2011 it seemed like Mark had become a good qb. His team was 8-5 he had 20 tds 11 int with three weeks left in season on his way to the playoffs.
He then seemed to lose all confidence the rest of the waythrowing 7 interceptions in the final three games. In 2012 he reverted to rookie form and was easily one of the worst qb's in the nfl.
You cant just keep hoping he turns it around, they paid a lot of money for such a bad performance. Vick is the better choice now. No team is rushing to sign Mark Sanchez.
Someone will sign and who knows maybe he develops but it will be a long shot.
He went well beyond simply training them to fight, which is bad enough (and being raised in it doesn't suddenly make it correct or on par with eating them). He tortured them. You are correct, that is not a sociopath. That's a psychopath.
And condoning it is exactly what you are doing by making all those excuses. :lol:
I would love for him to go to GB, sit back learn from one of the best and they hit the FA market next year.
I expect he will end up in SL and will take over at some point for a struggling Bradford.
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if the Jets didn't wait so long to release him he would have been signed in a hurry. He would have gone to Oak, Hou or one of those places. Mark would have been the best QB on the market had he been available at the start of FA(to be fair it was a weak market).
Im far from condoning it. In fact I have put people in jail for it and don't take it lightly. What he did is pretty common with people that fight dogs, these are not pets. Im explaining the mentality behind it. Being where Im from I know of people that have done these things. I know a guy that actually sold a fighting dog to Joey Porter, said this long ago when Porter was a Dolphin but of course since he was phin people defended him to no end.Dog fighting is beyond barbaric in my mind but that's because of my affinity for animals and dogs. He didn't go anymore beyond what a great majority of dog fighters do, people just are shocked by this disgusting culture and want to somehow relate it to treatment of a human. Also I doubt he is a pscyho path since that would mean he would be prone to do it again and again no matter what. A psychopath just cant turn it off because he might get in trouble. This culture doesn't look or treat dogs as anything but gladiators and if they are not winners then they are basically dead meat.
I guess what Im trying to say is this is the behavior of people that fight dogs esp at the level he was doing it. These can be highly secretive networks of people that fight dogs and what he did is common among people that fight dogs at this level. Its estimated that about 40,000 people in the United States are professional dog fighters of this level.
Oakland had every chance to trade for him over Scwaub but didn't . Of course some team will sign him but no team outside of the worst ran team in the NFl would have looked at him as a starter and even they passed.
for scwaub who will cost quite a bit.
the rumblings were Oak wanted him or Schaub, they worked out a deal for Schaub.
Schaub reworked his deal by the way.
Torturing animals, beyond the already incredibly inhumane dogfighting, is common amongst them? Great, we know where a bunch of psychopaths hang out together.
And yes, he is prone to doing it again. You don't just turn something like that off and I certainly don't believe he has. I have no doubt he still gets off on that ****, regardless of whether he is still able to.
As for Joey Porter, we know you didn't defend him, until he went to a different team of course. :lol:
That last statement is beyond asinine hopefully u were actually being funny if so I apologize.
As a person I thought Porter was a piece of crap much like Vick before, during and after being a Phin.
At least Vick got jailtime while other dogfighters like Porter never got caught and never did a day in jail for doing Im pretty damn sure similar activies.
I don't think dogfighters are psychopaths but I do think they have a messed up view of animals mainly dogs.
I wish more dogfighters will do jailtime but the majority will never see a day of jail. Vick was just like any other professional dogfighter.
A psychopath just couldn't stop torturing animals for 5 years, there is no sense of wrong even if you might get caught.
Most dogfighters to the best of my knowledge don't get off on the prospect of having to destroy the animals they have invested in but in their mind they are trying to achieve the best out of the animal or destroying their useless animal that can make them no money
Yes you do in that post. And I could literally throw up at your excuses for Vick's behavior. We claim to be a well developed society yet we accept barbaric behavior like that and find every excuse in the book? Based on your philosophy we should accept the rape of women and children as well because some cultures do that.
As an NFL player you have twice the responsibility of being an idol than the normal average citizen in this country. I find it absolutely absurd and disgusting for the excuses being made just because a player is an NFL player. Our moral obligations as a society is not to hail people like the Vicks but to punish them and then put them into programs where they never have access to those beings they hurt and tortured. We do that with child molesters and rapist as well.
I guess for some people morality goes out of the window when it comes to football.