Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by twg76, Mar 4, 2007.
Welker is critical to the team's sucess this season. And to lose him to NE ?! WTF are they thinking ?
we all hate to see Welker go, but at some point all the man-love has to stop. we're getting a second-rounder for Wes. do you honestly think we could have gotten a second for him if he were under contract and we traded him straight up? sure not. the contract sheet turns out to be a blessing in disguise IMO.
i hate to see him go, just like everyone on here, but he's a good WR and an average special teamer. he's not worth that type of contract and he's NOT the core of this team either. for our offense, that would be Ronnie Brown, Vernon Carey and Rex Hadnot. these are the young guys we have to build around. maybe Culpepper if he's healthy, we don't know that.
ironically, you're right that we're probably going to be a "freaking stop along the way in an NFL career" this season. i think we'll bring in a few lower-priced free agents to hold down the fort until we get our own guys.
I know man. I just can't deny how disappointed I am. It seems like Dolphins fans are just too into the "one guy take us all the way" mentality. They look at individual players too much. Super Bowl teams are usually teams made up of mostly average players that have a couple stars. It takes an entire team doing their individual parts to win.
Welker is a guy that you just want on your team. You don't compare him to T.O. or Randy Moss. Welker is simply a critical part of a winning team. And now the Patriots, a team that has won MANY Super Bowls, is getting a key player to any team.
Remember Brady to Troy Brown? Well, this year, and in the coming 7 years, we can look forward to BRADY TO WELKER. ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, but who cares if he's the "heart of this team?" This team SUCKED the last few seasons, particularly on offense. Yes, Welker is a gutsy, hard-working player, but his presence or absence won't affect our chances at making the playoffs again one bit.
Let's remember this when BRADY TO WELKER becomes a curse to every Dolphin fan.
"It's 3rd and 5 at the 50 yard line. NE down by one. They need the first down to get in field goal range. Brady drops back... COMPLETE TO WES WELKER FOR THE FIRST DOWN!!!" :fire:
so be it. i'll stand by what i said. a second for Welker is like a related christmas present.
Wes will bring us a big #2 pick. We will be fine. And Tom Brady's *** will still get kicked in! Laron Landry, here we come!
Let him go. I'll take the 2nd round draft pick in a heart beat. If noone hasn't realized yet, Miami is a TRUE REBUILDING MODE. Deal with it!!!
That could happen but its over with no reason getting upset over it. I loved welker but randy and cam is trying to give this whole team a makeover and that means out with the old in with the new so to say. This coming year we may not be much but the year after with this youth infusion I see up building a long standing team and no more quick fixes.
Exactly. Everyone loved him because he was an over-achiever amidst a bunch of under-achievers. McMike and CC made him look better than he really was. I appreciate his effort, but he's not worth a second round pick by any stretch of the imagination. He's not a great return guy. He's not a #1 WR, or even a #2. Let NE start patching their roster with 2nd and 3rd tier guys now. I'm sick of it.
Now I'm going to feel the same way about Welker that I used to feel about Wayne Chrebet. This sucks.
Well, the second round draft pick is nice in theory. What if that guy is a bust? You never know how draft picks will work out. I know things will move on in Miami without Welker, but that guy was one of the brightest spots on Miami during this run of bad years (2003 - 2006). He will be missed for sure!
Just out of curiosity, can Welker turn the deal down? Maybe he is talking with Cameron about getting a solid deal. He could turn down the offer, and then take something a little lower in Miami. I know that is dreaming, but can it be done legally?
I see it as it being 3rd and 5 at the 50 yard line. NE down by one. They need the first down to get into field goal range. Brady drops back.....Sacked by the 2nd round stud of a DE or ILB...or maybe INT by the first rnd CB or just maybe Welker catches the ball and then BAM!!!!! Fumble as he is smothered by Jason Allen.
well, the offer sheet is like a regular contract, just under restrictions. Welker could opt not to sign it, but since he already did it's a moot point. we either match that deal or let him go. no re-negotiations
We're losing the core of a losing team? How ridiculous do you sound? It's sad, Welker embodies a professional athlete, but we need picks, we need cheap contracts to fill all of the holes and we need to get young. We have a new coach, a GM who can now do as he sees fit and we are making huge moves so far. I'm excited.
a 2nd round draft pick is great value! dude:
I love Wes like the rest of you but seriously....this is a very speilman-esq move by the patsies...How pissed would you be if we gave up a second round pick for the third WR in a very average group of WRs ??? yes he was good for us but thank goodness Randy had the second round tender on him we signed him as a FA and three years later we get a second for him.. its not THAT bad...Relax.
he is a punt returner and third reciever, he is not jerry rice
Wes Welker isn't worth $38 million for one.
Wes Welker isn't worth a 2nd-round draft choice for two.
Now, $38 million + giving up a 2nd-rounder (NE)?
Jeez, ridiculous! :rolleyes2
I keep reading all the "save Wes Welker" threads and wonder if any one of these people have seen the contract that he SIGNED. The Pats didnt just offer a contract/sheet, he signed it, so if we dont match he goes for that. Specifically though I wonder if anybody has seen the numbers. 40M for WES WELKER? Guys, Wes is a fine player and has huge heart but he has 1 receiving touchdown in his career. He isn't Chad Johnson. There are maybe 5 WRs I would have 40M to cough up for and Wes isn't even near that. I would offer him 5 years 14-5M at best and I'm being generous.
He's a #3 WR, decent punt returner, and below average kick returner.
Giving up $38 million + 2nd-rounder for that is EMBARRASSING......
Are you serious??? Welker was our 4th WR at best, sucked as a KR, and we get an extra 2nd round pick to give us some ammo come draft day and you are pissed?
Well freakin said :boohoo:
the contract he signed is only 10.5 million guaranteed.
wes welker is worth more to us than the 60th pick in an average draft. i've said it all in the other wes welker threads, its really weird how ppl keep making threads when there are a bunch already. i hate saying the same thing in different threads.
welker is our devin hester and our clutch slot wideout. he is worth every penny that the patsies offer sheet says. remember bellichek is the one with 3 super bowl rings in 4 years, so i think he knows a stud named wesley when he sees one.
its like this is a bad dream and spielman is our gm again, letting welker go is the dumbest decision so far this off-season besides not cutting joey yet.
People need to move past the money. It's not a $38 million contract as Welker will never see the end of it. That's how contracts are structured these days.
I'm guessing it's also got a poison pill in it, meaning the actual value of the contract is much lower than what's being reported.
It's Welker for a 2nd round pick. Personally, I think the Patriots will utilize him very effectively. He's a younger, quicker Troy Brown.
Are you kidding me??? Our Hester?
Welker sucks on kick returns. Dude, you need to start watching the games instead of merely playing Madden and then coming on the forum and making unrealistic statements.
You really have got to be kidding me with this Welker thing. Are you a female? You sound like if you seem to have more than a little bit for this guy...
Reality is that MIA was going to look for a speedy WR that can start opposite Chambers. Welker was our #4 WR.
How in the world is the fact that we are getting an extra 2nd round pick for an undrafted free agent who is too short and too slow for our scheme and absolutely sucks on kick returns not having you singing Hallelujah ???
10.5M guaranteed is still too much for Wes Welker. Obviosuly he wont see the end of that contract, but still that would be our problem in a few years and even now he would be making more than Marty Booker who makes too much as it is. This draft class is DEEP in WRs, there are more than half a dozen that grade out in the 1st round, several will be available by our 2nd pick and maybe even by the NE pick we'll get. Robert Meachem or Sidney Rice > Wes Welker.
Welker was 1st on the team in receptions, and 2nd in yards last season.
How that spells out #4 WR to you is beyond comprehension.
exactly WTF? .. sigh* the pats too...
Dudes, we all love Wes, but are you really gonna pay him 5+ Mill per year?
Are you really gonna turn down a second rounder in order to pay him 5+ mill?
This is a no brainer!
Hey chicken little, the sky is not falling. Breath.....
What freaking success would THAT be? ???
This is very uncharacteristic of NE. He will fill a hole there but he isn't worth a second round pick to me. I'm surprised to see NE be this aggressive...almost too agressive and wasting value.
Welker is a far from awesome. He's an average return guy at best and no more than a #3 WR. He was a fan favorite cause he plays hard. 2nd round pick for him is a no brainer.
I hate the thought of losing Welker.
New England is not stupid! They've won 3 SB's with these kind of moves. They already have improved their defense and now they will likely have that ideal type reliable player who just makes clutch plays. They don't have the big stars, generally speaking (other than Brady, but even he does not put up spectacular stats), they just have a lot of playmakers.
They look for playmakers - not much else - and that's why they are SB champs and why the Dolphins have been realing the past several years.
Welker is a very good punt returner, average kick returner, and although undersized; he's a decent WR. I love Welker's heart and tenacity but I would love to have the Pat's second round pick as compensation.
The Pat's seem to be in the "win now" mode, they are being overly aggressive on this Welker deal and we should capitalize off it. Let them play checkers for once, while we play chess.
I say pay Welker the 5 mil. Miami hasn't done a single thing in FA worth talking about so far. I'm certain Miami could restructure a few contracts to pay Welker the 5 mil a year. Start with restructuring Chambers and McMichael. Then let Booker go.
Welker plays his heart out every game, NE doesnt have a solid KR/PR so they need one, but if Miami wants success on this team, IMO its starts with Wes Welker
2nd round picks are not guaranteed success stories. That is not to say you won't draft a stud player there, but I would hold off on "the 2nd round pick is better than Welker" talk until you see who it is, and how they perform.
I have zero idea how it will all turn out. I guess we'll all wait and see.
In addition, we have 2 first round picks this year, so trading a 2nd away isn't the worst thing in the world. Re-signing those 3 three players would have been a nightmare for us.
Could be a win-win.
Wow, your suggesting our #3 WR and KR/PR be the cornerstone of the team? Thats a bit of a stretch IMO.
Patriots | Welker update
Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:29:38 -0800
<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/4">Dan Pires, of The Standard-Times, reports the offer sheet the New England Patriots signed restricted free agent WR Wes Welker (Dolphins) is a seven-year, $38 million offer, according to sources close to the situation. The Patriots would have to give up a second-round draft pick to the Miami Dolphins should the Dolphins decline to match the offer.
It appears that it is now pretty official. Welker's gone.
Hello Dwayne Bowe, Anthony Gonzalez, Andrae Allison, Jason Hill, Steve Smith, or whoever else is theree in the 2nd with either of our picks.
Very nice quote. Guys, think of it this way, we are given a 2nd round pick for a #3/4 WR and you want to cry? Yes he plays hard, yes he did a lot for the team but that doesn't mean we can't find someone better in the draft who can play so much better. Sidney Rice is great, Meachem and if we want a KR/PR we get Jason Hill from Washington who runs a 4.32. It's annoying when people start whining about things they can't control. I cheer the second round pick.
I don't like to lose Welker but if you think about it now we can put Chambers back as our slot reciever that he excelled in two years ago. Welker was alright on special teams but not great, it will be interesting who is back on the return game this year
No problem. We could get Kelly Washington to replace him. After all Washington has a whole 12 receptions for 200yds over the last two years.:sidelol: Then we trade McMike and replace him with this David Martin guy who has done practically nothing. But we have extra draft picks.
seriously.! ill take a #2 for welker all day long, but the way some of you are justifying it is absurd. i agree with the pats fan that it will probably be a win-win. but seriously mr. ed where do you come up with 1/2 of the crap you spout off. welker sucks as a kick returner 4th best receiver my guess is that belichek and the rest of his pats staff (and my grandma for that matter) are a little better at judging talent than yourself. again, ill take a 2nd for welker but your assesment of him is completely absurd.
Im goona miss welker