What Jeffy will do come Thursday - The Grushcow Forecasting Edition

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  1. FearTheBeard

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    Alright boys, you know the drill. This is my first and likely only mock of the year (I'm also gonna put together what I would do and one with trades just for fun), this is me trying to read Ireland and is assuming that we don't bring on Albert. At this point I think it's more likely that a trade happens on draft day or we get Winston into the fold. I don't agree will all of these picks, this is just what I think Ireland would consider doing. So without further ado, give this a read and give me your thoughts.

    MOCK DRAFT - What Ireland will do


    1. 12. Jonathan Cooper | OG | North Carolina
    I'm having trouble breaking down Ireland and what way he's looking with the first pick. What we do know about Ireland is he likes to draft horizontally, so in the first round one would assume a tackle, a corner or a guard would be the most likely positions to be considered with defensive tackle as a dark horse. I don't think they are pegging defensive end as highly as me or other Dolphins fans would like and out of the top 3 needs listed I think Cooper will be the highest on our board. With Milliner off the board I don't think the Dolphins would take Hayden, since they've been quoted as considering corners easy to find later in the draft, especially one with such quality depth at the position. As for tackle with the top 3 off the board I don't think Fluker has the athleticism necessary to fit our scheme. That makes Cooper the pick, I don't believe in taking interior linemen in the top 15, but this is where I think Ireland is leaning. Cooper would solidify the interior line and provides the athleticism that Philbin covets. With Cog, Jerry and Louis' contracts expiring in 2014 Cooper would be a fixture on our offensive line for years to come.

    Other option: Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina

    2. 42. Justin Pugh | OL | Syracuse
    The draft just keeps getting sexier and Dolphins fans would wake up from their clouded drunken rage from the night prior to get blindsided by another lineman. To piss people off even more they might even have to jump up a few picks to nab Pugh on the second day. Pugh is an extremely intelligent lineman and offers a lot of versatility on the Dolphins line. I would plug him in at right tackle in spite of his short arms. This would create a line of Martin-Incognito-Pouncey-Cooper-Pugh/Jerry. I would work in a Winston or Clabo so there wasn't so little experience on our line, but that will have to come after the draft. I do like Kyle Long as a guy who can protect the blindside as well and either could be available here.

    Other option: Kyle Long, OT, Oregon

    2. 54. Robert Alford | CB | Southeastern Louisiana
    Looking at the 2013 schedule the team desperately needs as many pieces in the secondary as possible, Alford has scheme flexibility and works well in zone and would be a good fit in this range. He would make one of Marshall or Patterson expendable, freeing up some space under the cap and infusing some young talent into a crucial group.

    Other option: Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State

    3. 77. John Jenkins | DT | Georgia
    There is a number of nose tackles in this draft, as a result some players will fall. Jenkins would be an exceptional value here and would fit in as the heir to Soliai whose contract is up following this season. Jenkins is disruptive and is talented enough to help our run defense not miss a beat in 2014.

    Other option: Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern

    3. 82. Christine Michael | RB | Texas A&M
    The A&M connection is obvious, and the team has shown some interest in his as well as Bernard. I don't think Bernard gets this far and I think they like Miller enough to wait till at the earliest the 3rd round to find his compliment. Michael is viewed by many as underrated and would fit well in a committee with Miller and has familiarity with the offense.

    Other option: Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina (if available) or Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State.

    4. 111. Don Jones | S | Arkansas State
    This is one of those surprise picks that finds their way into every draft. The Dolphins have been heavily linked to Jones and need some depth at safety. Right now he's pegged at about a 5th or 6th rounder, whenever he's drafted, I see him winding up a Dolphin.

    Other option: Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M

    5. 146. Marc Anthony | CB | California
    The Phins need some longer defenders in their secondary. Anthony has long arms and decent height, while the strength of his game lies in zone coverage, which we are likely running a lot of in the upcoming season. He brings more talent to a corner group that needs to deal with some very talented passing offenses this upcoming season.

    Other option: Josh Boyce, WR, TCU

    5. 166. Ryan Otten | TE | San Jose State
    The Dolphins have expressed interest in a number of tight ends to compliment Keller. Otten is one of those guys and provides a solid target for Tannehill in the redzone. In the fifth round he's a good value and doesn't necessarily admit failure regarding the Egnew pick.

    Other option: Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State

    7. 217. Zach Rogers | WR | Tennessee
    I initially wanted to fit Boyce in as a replacement for Bess but couldn't make it work. Rogers has a checkered past but has solid upside. He's a great value here and could still push Bess.

    Other option: Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida

    7. 224. Tourek Williams | DE | Florida International
    To the chagrin of many Dolphins fans it takes this long for a defensive end to get drafted. I just think we like what we have in Vernon and we don't see to have much interest pushing Odrick inside quite yet. I could be wrong, and we could take one in the top 3 rounds, but with our hands tied at offensive tackle I think DE hits the backburner a bit. Williams is a local product as well.

    Other option: Latavius Murray, RB, Central Florida

    7.250. Brandon Hepburn | ILB | Florida A&M
    Another local product, we need linebacker depth and I wouldn't be surprised at all if we draft one in rounds 3 or 4. Hepburn is another local guy and we have showed some interest in him.

    Other option: John Lotulelei, ILB, UNLV

    UFA: Zach Brown | K | Portland State
    I think we'll look to replace Carp in the same way we found Carp. Sturgis and Hopkins could go as high as the 5th-6th range and I think a guy like Brown could be a quality option to push Carp, even replace him.
     
  2. normaniii

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    Just predicted something similar myself :)
     
  3. hoops

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    i sure hope we don't go oline back to back with our top picks...
     
  4. FearTheBeard

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    That makes 2 of us....but if the Cooper domino falls, I find it hard to believe they could wait to grab an OT if they don't nab Albert...

    I am beginning to think there's a very real chance Milliner falls to us tho, and he will either be the pick or we will trade down cause he has high value.
     
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    I would gag if this is what we came out with
     
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    no, no, no, no ,no ,no, no, no, no, no,no,no
     
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    Markcalius Druggist Finheaven VIP

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    Loaded with early picks, in a draft three rounds deep in playmakers, and we come away with a TE in the 5th and a WR in the 7th??? And the consolation is OL with the first two picks? Talk about killing momentum.

    I think even Ross has his limits. If we go OL - OL with the first two picks, I think the next time ESPN shows the Dolphins war room you will see the barrel of Ross's revolver in Ireland's mouth. (I will leave "revolver" ambiguous.)
     
  8. FearTheBeard

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    To be fair I don't exactly consider it likely that we go WR at all in the first 3 rounds, look at the offseason thus far that's what they've loaded up. I don't think they view it as a need now. I also don't think TE is nearly as significant a need, you bring in Keller, I get it's on a one year but he's still on the team and a team that runs a bunch of 4-wide sets don't necessarily need 2 tight ends. Plus this draft is deep at TE, not to mention I'm not sure how much they want to admit failure with Egnew.
     
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    i think ross would fire him on the spot.tell jeff to leave his clown shoes on his way out
     
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    Worst mock I've seen.
     
  11. FearTheBeard

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    Thanks for the input bud, adds a lot.
     
  12. FearTheBeard

    FearTheBeard FearTheBurke

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    I'll ask you guys a couple questions, first of all who is the most likely Dolphins pick at 12, lets say they can't find a trade partner or get Albert. As far as I'm concerned Cooper is a finalist. You get him and you're still stuck without a tackle, you can't wait later than 2 if you want a starting offensive tackle. If Cooper's the pick, better believe we need a solid tackle. We don't have one right now.
     
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    grushcow, ignore the fantasy players. they dont understand football. championship teams draft OL. pittsburgh did after winning SB.

    Philbin is looking to build his oline around pouncey/martin. If we were to get Albert, and that trade is still open, then cooper would finish the job once and for all. jerry doesnt fit, incog doesnt fit.

    also, if oakland is wiling to deal, and jaxonville doesnt take fisher,then i could see us making a play.

    i dont see us coming out of this draft with 11 players. more like 8. and this draft is ripe for trade fest thanks to 4 teams w/ 2 high picks and many picks.
    i also see SD as to desperate at OL period to not draft one.
     
  14. FearTheBeard

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    I definitely agree with you on the trades, this one I didn't include trades. I think this really illustrates that we don't have nearly as much leverage on Albert as people think. We need him just as much, maybe more than KC needs to unload him. Our offseason has been setting us up to draft secondary and an interior guy and maybe some DT's, so Cooper just seems the most likely move from our FO.

    If we get Albert, I feel like Ireland's gonna recoup a second rounder and trade down (that's why I'll do a mock with trades as I mentioned haha, but obviously none of the haters read that). Then I could easily see us packaging a couple 7's to move into the 6th etc. And I wouldn't be shocked if we got some 2014 mid-late rounders by the end of the day. It's a mock draft, not a dream draft, it's just what I'd see them doing if they had to stand pat, in this situation our hands are tied at tackle and people are not gonna be happy. I wouldn't be happy with most of this draft, but it's not like people in general are pleased following the draft....
     
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    Agreed. We have all the skill players we need. I'd take Austin at 12 if he's there but see no need for a TE. We need OL's and that's why NE and PITT are perpetually good, their QBs (particularly Brady) have plenty of time to check down to second and third options. I'd draft OL's with 2 of the first four and CBs with the other 2.
     
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    Bill Parcell and Jeff Ireland proved to us that drafting the trenches early and often is the key to almost having winning seasons lol
     
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    I don't agree with my post from a draft philosophy stand point. I just think it's very plausible pick by pick if I weren't to pick trades. Personally, I wouldn't touch an interior lineman or right tackle in the first 20 picks, only a left tackle, and even a LT in the top 5 in most instances. Look at the FA's right now, go grab Moore and Clabo, costs you 6 million and boom you have the right side of your line. Elite interior linemen don't win championships, getting solid ones in 2, 3, 4 is the smartest route to take. With that said, we've done a good job of filling holes this season, so it is within reason they'd wanna upgrade at guard.
     
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    Ya that's so freaking funny!
     
  19. roy_miami

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    I think the stadium upgrade referendum is going to influence what we do on Thurs and I believe Ross will be putting his foot down for something sexy. I'm just having a hard time figuring out what moves would be sexy, maybe trade up for Milner, take Eifert or Austin, or one of the DEs, can trade downs be sexy? I'll be shocked if we trade up for a tackle or take a guard at 12 though.

    In a normal year I could definitely see Cooper at 12 but the last thing Ross wants to do this year is turn his stadium upgrade referendum into a Jeff Ireland approval rating poll.
     
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    I would trade our later 2nd and reasonable $$$ for ALBERTS, or any other equally suitable T. But I WOULD NOT "break the bank" for him. And if the truth be told, I'd prefer to sign a F/A RT anyway. We saw a couple of possible F/A Ts earlier this off-season. I/m/o, the BEST solution would be for MIAMI to sign one. He'd be a willing RT, which ALBERTS is NOT, and a lot cheaper than ALBERTS...and w/o back issues, which REALLY worry me. (Remember DARRYL GARDNER?)

    I/m/o, MARTIN has the tools to be a very solid LT: all that he needs is a little more bulk (not too much), and more strength. If he gets both, then MIAMI will have created a monster at LT, i/m/o. That means MARTIN must have a "love affair" this offseason...w/the Weights Room!!! It works!!! Remember P SOLIAI when he first got here? He was being tossed around like a rag doll by Middle-Of-The-Pack talent. He DID have that "love affair" w/the Weights Room, and look what happened!!! Try pushing Big PAUL around NOW!!! Lotsa luck.

    I would (as I mentioned) prefer to look elsewhere as to ALBERTS, and save that 2nd and cap $$$. I would much rather use that 2nd, and/or 3rd, and/or 4th, and/or 5th---that is to say, whatever it takes--to move up to the 6th or 7th Pick in the 1st Round. And when I got there, I'd pick MINGO. We are in the AFC East. And that means TOMMY BOY. The NY GIANTS (in the SB no less!!!) and BALTIMORE last season showed EVERYONE how to beat N.E.. It isn't w/strength at CB, and it isn't by winning a "shootout". It's w/a ferocious pass rush. MIAMI gets a solid push up the middle w/STARKS and SOLIAI. Putting ODRICK in the DT rotation (where he belongs, i/m/o) can only help. We have a pass rusher in WAKE. I/m/o, we need a pass rushing RDE to go along w/him. I'm not sure about O VERNON, although he did show a little. MINGO's insurance, i/m/o. And who knows? Maybe he'll turn out to be the next JT! I think that it's very possible, and wouldn't THAT be a "gas-gas-gas"? That way, it's "name your poison": arsenic or cyannide?

    I would also like to get SWOPE.

    ALL of the rest of our Draft Picks should go to CBs, DEs, and Ts..."flyers", looking for that "under the radar" special player, at positions where such a player would REALLY help. And I don't get bent out of shape that STARKS and SOLIAI will be F/As next year. Just be fair w/both, and show them some $$$. We could just be worrying about nothing at all. After all, Big Paul re-signed w/us once already. Just BE FAIR and don't try to cheap your way thru it! I like RANDALL, and I like ODRICK at DT as well. So, i/m/o, there's no need to go DT before the 6th (if at all), and no way that "the sky is falling"!

    QED.
     
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    All very good points (although I really don't see the need for Swope, but to each their own). There's a lot of DT's I like in this draft and I think it's worthwhile to groom one, we can grab a solid one in round 3/4. If we traded up I'd vote for Mingo as well, he could go as high as #6 to the Browns, but I would love to snatch him up a pick or 2 before the Jets get a shot at him, that'd be sweet.
     
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    Nothing to see here folks, move along.

    Ireland would be digging his own grave with that draft
     
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    Wouldn't be the first time draft guru...but we can't all live in fantasy land, and if we don't land Albert we're gonna have to address offensive tackle earlier than people will like. I'd be happy with most of this draft honestly, outside of the Cooper pick.
     
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    I'm not saying you're wrong or it's a bad mock from a prediction standpoint, i'm just saying if that's the draft i won't be happy.
     
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    I won't be happy with Cooper. But Pugh's the best RT we could get at 2a. And for the most part the rest of the guys would be decent fits. I wouldn't be thrilled either, that's why this is a mock not a dream draft. We're seldom happy with how the draft shakes out, why project otherwise?
     
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    It isn't sexy but Cooper is going to be a great player. Heard Daniel J talk about Ozzie drafting saying he always wanted doubles in the 1st round. For all you people who always say BpA, guess what Cooper would be it.
    Our line could be Martin-Cooper-Pouncey-richie-Jerry
     
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    sick of drafting linemen.
     
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    Primary issue I see with this is that Pugh will be an OG in the NFL. So going OG back-to-back doesn't make sense to me - even from an Ireland perspective. But I fear you have the general feel of the draft correct.
     
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    I lol'd :D
     
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    I think it depends how you project the guy, I think he's got the feet to play tackle. Kyle Long wouldn't be a bad call either, it's just very hypothetical when we don't know what's happening with Albert.
     
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    Yeah, this seems unlikely to me as well.
     
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    I think we're gonna trade down regardless, I also don't think the FO is going to go into the season with a 2nd year guy and rookie starting at the tackles. I'm gonna post my last mock with trades in a second, without the handcuff of no trades it flows better. I've started thinking Eifert could be the pick in the first as well.
     

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