What will take to get Wake into the HoF?

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So what will it take?

  1. 100+ total sacks

    16 vote(s)
    45.7%
  2. 110+ total sacks

    10 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. Super bowl appearance

    7 vote(s)
    20.0%
  4. His time put in during NFL/CFL is enough

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  1. A500

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    As we are all aware, Cam had a late start to his NFL career. Yet he has been one of the league's best pass rusher year in and year out.
    Cam is just entering his 9th season at the ripe age of 35. In the 8 preceding seasons he's managed 81.5 sacks which is good for just over 10 sacks a season. Jason Taylor, for contrast, only managed 9.3 in his 15 seasons. My question to you is, what realistic goal could he meet to get him in? When I say realistic I mean no "5 plus years with 10 sacks a season" while a super bowl I would say is realistic over the course of 3-4 years. Probable? Maybe not, but definitely a possibility.

    Or do you think since he played at such a high level during his time that the NFL will look past what other HoFers had achieved and he is already on his way?

    Phins up!
     
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    IMO not a HOF now. Would need several more 4 or 5 years at his current level to make it. Don't see it happening.
     
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    I don't see it happening! He got too late of a start!
     
  4. A500

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    It would just be a damn shame if he didn't get in. He fought through so much to make it to where he is
     
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    In this day & age coupled with +5 years after he retires, I believe a superbowl win will do it for him. Just basing that on how Kurt Warner was portrayed with his "short NFL career" & Terrell Davis' venture. Hell, if he hits 100 sacks, that paired with the story of his journey may do it based on how the Hall is now treated as an major event via tv time & so on these last few years.

    Maybe it's just me but the HoF doesn't seem to be what it use to be. It's now just a circus day of fresh names to draw in crowds/ratings over people that have should have been in years and years and years ago. While it's a nice little check mark on the end of a player's career, it just now seems to be a a notch to include in your resume for your tv gig after football.
     
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    2 more years of double digit sacks should do it
     
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    He needs a defining season. JT had the DPOY, and I think Wake would need that type of season with a huge season from the whole team. Guys like Kurt and Terrell got in with short careers due to MVP type years on Super Bowl teams.
     
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    He needs 130+ sacks to even be considered or talked about seriously
     
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    Minimum of 40 sacks which puts him at 121 but even that isn't a sure thing. If he manages to get into the 130's he should be a lock but that's 50 sacks and a tall task.

    8 yeas and he's average about 10 sacks a year so he'd need 5 more at his current pace. He'd be 40 and I just don't think that's realistic.
     
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    To be fair he missed basically an entire season. He averages more if you factor that in
     
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    He will need a 15+ plus sack season this year and a super bowl title.

    He will likely need 2-3 more years and at least double digit sacks in two more seasons.

    Wake needs a signature moment. Crushing Brady in the playoffs would be a start.

    I don't think it's likely but betting against that man is never a good idea.
     
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    See, this is what I think too. I don't see 130+ needed. I think since he played st a high enough level during his time playing professional football (both in the NFL and CFL) plus a couple more good seasons and he's in. It wouldn't make him a first ballot hall of gamer. But I believe he'd get in eventually
     
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    Another 50+ sacks, A super bowl ring, Defensive Mvp, and lead the NFL in Sacks in a season something he's never done

    I love the guy but don't see him being measured for a jacket
     
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    One thing to consider is that it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Not the NFL HOF. They recognized Warren Moon's CFL stats. They should recognize the most dominant defensive player in CFL history. Get 100 sacks and the 2010 All-Decade team and he should get in the HOF imo
     
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    He will be in our ring of honor.. if he decides to open his diet he will never have to buy a steak in Miami.
    I think all dolphin fans hold a special place for Cam
     
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    If he has 2 more seasons like last year or even gets to 100 sacks he should be considered.

    Even his first year with us he produced on very limited snaps.

    It's a shame and a blessing he didn't work out with the Giants.
     
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    Well he played 2 seasons in the CFL. 16 and 23 sacks. Defensive player of year award. Made all star team both years
     
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    CFL stats count correct?

    It sucks it's taken this long to put together a real team around him.

    I still think if he gets over 100 sacks he should be mentioned..

    BTW when is Zach getting in or allowed?

    I remember him being better than Jason and I love JT.

    Zach is best known for laying the wood but people take for granted the fact he was a playmaker. (not us)

    I think Zach deserves it just as much as JT to be honest.
     
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    Chris Doleman had 150 sacks and waited like 12 years to get in. Kevin Greene had 160 sacks and waited 17 years. JT had 139 and got in first ballot which is the exception not the norm. But overall you need to be in that 130-150 range to even be considered. Anything less and you are fooling yourself. He isn't getting in people, just keeping it real.
     
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    Good lord
    Zach is one of my top 5 Miami Dolphin players since I became a fan
    in 1970 but to say he was better than JT borders on insanity

    Look in the dictionary and under playmaker and you'll see Jason Taylors photo

    139.5 tackles...46 forced fumbles...
     
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    Just wondering your opinion..

    Do you think he should get some slack for only being in the league for so many years or should that be a fault?

    I really wish he worked out for the Giants for his sake (and the Giants lol) but we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    Imagine the Giants with Osi, Tuck, Strahan, and Wake lol Brady would've gotten crushed even worse lol
     
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    That's really not a far fetched statement lol

    I think you meant sacks 139.5.

    There was a time when Zach was better than JT.

    You have your opinion I have mine.

    Just because I said Zach was a playmaker doesn't mean I don't think JT was as well.

    I find it flat out disrespectful to say Zach isn't comparable.

    Pick which one is Zach and JT..

    That's with Ray Lewis taking away accolades (probably the best LBer of the generation)
    • More tackles than any linebacker currently in the Hall of Fame-Zach Thomas
     
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    100+ sacks, a DPOY, and a signature moment in the SuperBowl - a crushing sack to win the game?
    Multiple All-Pro nods definitely helps way more than the farce that is the pro bowl.

    I thinks he gets in.
     
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    Would love to eat crow here, but he's probably not going to win a SB, and he's probably not going to be DPOY. I would say for him to get in the HoF, he'd have to ring up 130+ sacks. Can he play 4-5 yrs to get there? Probably not. Love the guy, but I don't see him getting in.
     
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    Are you sure? I think Junior Seau has more tackles than Zach Thomas. Then again, Junior did play 7 more seasons.

    One more thing...this website has Zach with 1100 career tackles and this would put him behind a lot of other LBs not in the HOF and two that are. Junior Seau with 1,524 and Derrick Brooks with 1,301.
    https://sportslistoftheday.com/2013...players-with-the-most-tackles-in-nfl-history/
     
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    I'm not going to make my reply yet I just want to say great post
     
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    Well total tackles is probably the most overrated stat in football. Too many factors. A tackle could happen 15 yards down field
     
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    Yes Seau does with 1846 tackles

    Zach has 1720 tackles

    Brooks has 1698 tackles
     
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    Zach has more 1st team all pros (5) than JT has total (4) lol

    WIth Ray Lewis in the equation, I think that's a hell of an accomplishment.

    I love Jason Taylor but he even knows Zach should be a Hofer just as much.

    He's said it himself. We had the best CB duo in the league and a stacked int Dline. (helped both Zach and Jason)

    Michael Strahan wasn't a first ballot Hofer lol That's a joke

    I love Jason Taylor. He wasn't better than Michael Strahan though.

    I'm a fins fan and truly believe that. As diehard as one can be but am objective.

    Zach is a playmaker and apparently the AP thought so as well seeing he has 7 all pro seasons compared to Jason's 4.

    Jason was in the spotlight after his career. Zach never cared for that type of stuff.

    To say I'm crazy for comparing the two is crazy lol
     
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    He either needs a Super Bowl ring before he retires, or at least another 50+ sacks and a dpoy.
     
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    The tackles thing was on his wiki probably before Seau made the Hof.

    My bad on that one.

    People forget what a force Zach was for us.

    The only thing JT has on him is he won a DVOP. ( I love JT so im not talking bad at all)

    He doesn't have the sexy sack stat line.

    All-Pros really do matter. If JT had that, I'd say there's no argument at all.
     
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    How did this turn into JT vs Zach lol
     
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    When I said this--BTW when is Zach getting in or allowed?

    I remember him being better than Jason and I love JT.

    Zach is best known for laying the wood but people take for granted the fact he was a playmaker. (not us)

    I think Zach deserves it just as much as JT to be honest


    And got called insane for it lol

    Good lord
    Zach is one of my top 5 Miami Dolphin players since I became a fan
    in 1970 but to say he was better than JT borders on insanity

    Look in the dictionary and under playmaker and you'll see Jason Taylors photo

    139.5 tackles...46 forced fumbles...
     
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    I love them both as Dolphins legends.

    I will say nothing bad about JT. I love the guy.

    Both guys were my football idols growing up.

    I don't want to argue anymore lol No point and they're both my guys

    PHINS UP!!! Two differing opinions that's all
     
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    No you don't get slack for it. The Hall of Fame is the Hall of Fame, no asterisk because Cam wasn't good enough coming out of college to play in the NFL and it took him longer to get to the NFL which in turn means he has lesser stats. It's not necessarily a fault, it's just reality. You either have the numbers or don't to get into the hall of fame, Cam doesn't and probably due to his age never will.
     
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    A Super Bowl ring should have absolutely nothing to do with a player's (regardless of position) worthiness of the HoF. Is it being used as the final qualifier between players with very similar accolades? What if the player that has the ring was a non-factor, or neutralized, or injured during said championship? I've just never understood this debate.
     
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    The guy needs a couple more big seasons while the Fins are getting better national attention. Plus, as some said, he needs a signature performance in a meaningful knockout game. That could be enough to do it.
     
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    Hard to say. He might have to be productive for another 3-4 years with a super bowl appearance or championship. Another 30-40 sacks could at least put him on the map.
     
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    Cam is a great pass rusher but I think the reason JT got in was because of the big plays he made in addition to the sack totals. By that I mean the scoop and scores, ints for TD, etc. Cam Wake has 1 int in his entire career and zero TD's.

    JT had 9 TD's and 8 ints.

    There are a lot of edge rushers waiting to get in the HOF. Look how long it took Kevin Greene to make it and he has more sacks than JT and was #3 on the all-time list.

    Other guys in line....

    DeMarcus Ware, Jared Allen, John Abraham, Leslie O'Neil, Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice and even Trace Armstrong has 106 sacks. Not that he will ever make it.
     
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    What will Cam need to get in Hall Of Fame?
    Tickets
     

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