Whats wrong with this defense?

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  1. Notso

    Notso Well-Known Member

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    I see a lot of hate here for sherman and the offense, well warranted. But what is wrong with this defense? It continuously gets pounded up the gut, with on paper, arguably the best front 4 in football with great depth. Our LB's arn't slouches either, talent in the secondary. It continues to under perform week after week. Can't count on them to make a stop against anybody. Unacceptable, call me crazy, but I see Coyle as a bigger problem here than sherman
     
  2. Shouright

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    The defense is built to stop the pass and does a good job of that. It isn't built to stop the run. Consequently the Dolphins' offense needs to get out to big leads and one-dimensionalize the opposing offense, which it cannot do at this point.
     
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    I'm sorry. Don't say a damn word about the defense. This was all on the ineptitude of the offense.
     
  4. J. David Wannyheimer

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    Our LBs blow and our secondary is very overrated.

    That said, even though the dfefense didn't play well today, it wasn't the problem.
     
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    Having said that, much is to be desired with Ellerbe and Wheeler. MUCH! Keuchly single handily had a better game than all 3 of the dolphins lbers today.
     
  6. normaldude

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    Miami offense scored ZERO points. ZERO. This is astoundingly bad.

    Miami defense gave up 19 points. This is unremarkable.

    You can't win games when your offense scores ZERO points.
     
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    The dolphins inability to score.
     
  8. PCmor

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    Lack of consistent playmakers, which could really be said about this team as a whole.
     
  9. ForksPhin

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    The offense was clearly inept....but a defense that gives up a 19 play, 10 minute, 90 yard drive, featuring 14 running plays...covering parts of the 3rd & 4th quarters....deserves more than its share of ridicule.
     
  10. Dr. Phin

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    Sorry, but our LB's are slouches...and our safeties are nothing special. Jones got his payday at it looks like he is taking the next few years off until the next contract year.
     
  11. DefensiveEnd76

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    Olivier Vernon and Wheeler can't stop the run. Wheeler can't do jack in pass coverage either. Ellerbe takes bad angles and is out of position too much. Koa Misi never makes any big plays and is just an average guy. Grimes is the only good thing in our secondary, everyone else is replaceable. Pretty much sums up an ordinary defense.
     
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    Our pass D is not good...they are exposed frequently on third downs and when it counts. We barely sniff opposing QBs on blitzes from backers and rarely get a hard push up the middle in big spots. I think our D is very average, need much improvement for 2014.
     
  13. Dr. Phin

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    By the way...it will probably get worse next year. We will lose Starks and I would doubt Grimes too (Ireland is too cheap to pay him what he's worth...)
     
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    Wheeler is awful.
     
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    Watch Wheeler play. He just pisses me off when I watch him. The guy looks like he's 225 pounds at best. He can't hit anyone and doesn't act like he even knows how to tackle physically. He gets bulldozed to the ground all the time in the running game. When he covers a Tight End, forget it. The Tight End will beat Wheeler up and then steal his lunch money. I hope he gets cut. He's EASILY replaceable.
     
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    All I know is Fred Jackson just did what he did with broken ribs
     
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    Face it, Ellerbe and Wheeler are worse then Dansby and Burnett. Wasn't a good move by Ireland to downgrade 2 LB spots

    ---------- Post added at 07:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:17 PM ----------

    Jackson may have broken ribs but our defense has one collective broken brain.

    ---------- Post added at 07:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:18 PM ----------

    We need to refurbish our o-line and get some linebackers who can run and know how to hit.
     
  18. AZStryker

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    Exactly! If the defense only gave up 3 points or all the points were due to the offense turning the ball over in bad territory then you can say not to blame the defense!
     
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    Go take a look at our offensive rankings. That is what is holding us back IMO. The defense is not perfect I get it, but if this offense could ever average like 24 points a game It would help tremendously.
     
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    The only opponent this defense has been able to get off the field against is Geno Smith. You may be impressed by mediocrity but I'm not. Mediocre is better than terrible, which is what the offense was. It's still not good.
     
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    I don't think either Starks or Soliai have done much in the last three quarters of this season to make themselves irreplaceable.
     
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    So misguided... The offense was beyond terrible. The defense wasn't great but had the offense not had so many 3 and outs or maybe had the offense scored some points at all the defense would have looked much better. Neither is great that we know is true.
     
  23. Notso

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    I agree, but our offense is what it is, not much talent at all. Our defense is stacked compared to our offense in terms of talent, and continues to under perform week after week. thats what makes it so frustrating to watch, and can be solely blamed on coaching. Top 5 defense a few years ago with Nolan, with far less talent
     
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    Keep blaming the defense but the offense scored 0 points. You cannot win like that.
     
  25. AZStryker

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    Oh I agree that the offense was beyond terrible. However that's one game. The defense has been giving up momentum changing long drives ALL SEASON!!!! And the TOP was about even when the d gave up that awful 9 minute 19 play drive.
     
  26. Notso

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    you don't say
     
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    AZ's right. The offense was horrific today, but that doesn't excuse a poor defensive effort, either. They let a team with it's third-string quarterback and its top receivers out hit some big plays and then to possess the ball most of the second half. Wheeler's penalty deep in Bills territory when we stopped them on third down was one of the plays of the game. I think Odrick jumped into the neutral zone in another situation when we had Buffalo deep in its own end.

    This defense has had far too much difficulty getting off the field on key third downs and has given up too many scoring drives after we've taken momentum in games to be free from examination. I feel like a broken record, but this has been going on all season.

    The thing we need to realize about this team is there are a lot of deficiencies, and, if you're serious about competing regularly with the big dogs in the NFL, they all need to be upgraded. Like I wrote in another thread, last year a lot of us were saying we just needed to get RT some weapons. OK, so they did that and now the O-Line is garbage. If you put all your eggs into the basket of improving that, you still have no decent RBs and you have a defense that I think is teetering a lot closer to disaster than we like to admit ... the secondary's extremely shaky, Wheeler has looked increasingly bad, our pass rushers do inopportune disappearing acts and our two star DTs have underperformed and are free agents.

    You can't just fix one and hope the other stuff is acceptable. If we learn one thing from the way this year's team was constructed it should be that.
     
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    What's wrong with this defense is that Thad Lewis has two career wins, both against the Dolphins without throwing a TD...that's pathetic.
     
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    Would have been a three and out, but for Wheeler's dumb penalty. I think that took the final wind out of their sail. Be fair, they were on the field A LOT today. They weren't good but imagine how demoralizing each offensive series must have been to them. And then Wheeler...oh, Wheeler...
     
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    look at all the late round picks and udfa on this team. overachievers that for the long haul are just average players lacking consistency and impact.
     
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    Team lacks heart and pride. D and O
     
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    Threads about our defense are always amusing... it's like we don't watch the same games. I have to stop myself short of questioning your ability to understand the game...

    Our defense has been noticeably bad twice this season - against the Saints, and against the Steelers.

    Every single other time our defense has been good enough to excellent throughout the games. This game was no different.

    In the first half we even had a drive start in Buffalo territory and we got a 3 and out. We were in the 4th quarter and our D had still only given up 10 points even though our offense wasn't able to sustain even ONE drive.


    There should be zero thread talking about "what's wrong with our defense??" when we've had solid to excellent play 13 out of 15 games.

    Score some ****ing points, sustain a ****ing drive, get a ****ing clue.
     
  33. PCmor

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    Couldn't get themselves off the field, either, though. And they had chances. The Wheeler penalty just was one big mess-up.

    ---------- Post added at 09:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:49 PM ----------

    Definitely.
     
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    hmm not sure I would clown on our D. This loss is all on the offense imo
     
  35. RoKnRuiN

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    Do you not understand what happens when your defense is on the field the entire game because the offense has only gotten 50 ****ing yards?
     
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    I'd say it was an overall suckfest today. Offense couldn't do anything against the rush, D couldn't get off the field on critical 3rd down situations.
     
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    The Miami defense only gave up 21 points to the Steelers (you can't blame a Tannehill pick 6 on the Miami defense).
     
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    Which games has this defense been excellent with the exception of the game against the Jets, who, like the Bills, aren't very good offensively? It'd be fair to say they've have good quarters, halves and series, but they really haven't turned in excellent games.
     
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    What in Ireland's past makes you think that he's cheap? What the ****? All I've seen from him year after year is dropping big money on FAs.
     
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    The defense was fine. The complete ineptitude was on the oline and the RBs
     

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