Which Dolphin Players Have Trade Value This Offseason?

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  1. Kingdom Come

    Kingdom Come Well-Known Member

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    Can a rebuilding Dolphins organization acquire draft picks or players with any of the talent they have under contract going into 2018???
     
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    I think some would trade for pouncey. we wont get much though
     
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    The unfortunate reality we have to realize is that our team is not a year away from competing. By the time our team is ready, most of our key players will be slowing down. Nobody wants to say rebuild, but it may be for the best.

    If it were me, I’d see what the market is for Reshad Jones. We can draft a FS and play McDonald at SS.

    Wake may have some value. He will be retired by the time this team is competing.

    Pouncey may have value, based on name alone.

    Lastly, I’m tempted to say Suh. He’s still playing at a high level but if we are rebuilding, you can’t have that kind of money tied to an aging DT. The issue will be finding someone to take that contract
     
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    who would want their salaries?
     
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    Landry is about it because like Tannchise said who in the hell is going to take on those ridiculous salaries we gave to those others with any value
     
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    Landry is the only one.
     
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    Well we won’t have Landry to trade, because he’s not under contract in 2018
     
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    I bet Landry will be gone in FA. I doubt he stays on this dumpster fire of a team.

    I would try to trade Suh, Tannehill, Wake, Jones. None of those players will be around by the time we are contenders anyways. The team needs a complete rebuild. Try to stockpile picks and make better contract decisions.
     
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    I agree with you, It's a shame about Suh but you make some good points regarding him especially about his contract. laundry would be on that list if not for the fact that he is a FA at the end of this season. Parker is a player that I have defended and advocated to giving more time toward his development, but if someone offers a ridiculously high draft pick for him I would take it. That's far fetched however.
     
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    The big mistake the Dolphins made in this area was in thinking Suh would have the effect on opposing passing games necessary to supplement Tannehill's typical level of play and make the team a Super Bowl contender.

    They're paying both players as though they'd give the team the passer rating differential necessary to accomplish that, whereas Suh is obviously having no such effect on opposing passing games. The team's pass defense is horrendous despite Suh's presence, and the team is going nowhere with a pass defense this poor.

    Now they're stuck in a situation in which both players are (or will be) on the wrong side of 30 and wouldn't fetch as much in trade as they would have earlier in their careers. Also at issue is the fact that trading Suh would result in $22M in dead cap money, with only a $3.9M cap savings in 2018.

    That said, however, with the team's being a ways off from contending, it would make sense to trade Suh for even something as meager as a 4th- or 5th-round pick. Essentially you'd be trading Suh for something meager, in exchange for the other team's willingness to take on his salary.

    The alternative is that you wait another year, Suh is a year older, and teams are unwilling perhaps to part with anything for him, knowing the Dolphins can then cut him and save $15M against the cap.

    In other words, this may be the last year anything at all can be gotten for Suh in trade. If his career longevity doesn't fit this team's view of its longer-term building process, it's time to trade him now, while something can still be garnered in return.

    I strongly doubt the team can improve enough in just the 2017/2018 offseason to warrant viewing Suh as an integral piece of a Super Bowl push. It's time to realize he just doesn't fit anymore.
     
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    Jones, Tannehill, Parker, Stills, and Suh are probably the only players on this team with trade value.
     
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    Really, any guy on the roster can be traded. The question really is, what is your definition of value?

    Landry and Tannehill are probably the only two guys on the roster that MIGHT get you a first round pick. I'd include Suh there, but his salary is so high that I dont think anyone would trade for him without a massive restructure.

    For possible second round picks, those same guys above (because we know how adept Tannenbaum is at extracting value in trades....), possibly Tunsil, Harris, McMillan, Jones.

    Third round picks...same as above, add in Parker and Stills, MAYBE Tank, Maybe Juwaan James.

    Fourth: Hmmm, MAYBE Cam Wake but I doubt we could get that much for him at this point. Maybe Godchaux due to his upside.

    Fifth and sixth rounds: This is where the bulk of our roster would probably fall. This is your Branchs, your Pounceys, your Kikos etc....

    7th: Do we even need to go there? lol.

    Bottom line: I dont see trading away players as a viable means to rebuild this team quickly. We would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. That said, I'd like to see us dump some salaries and if we can get a pick or two on top of that it would be icing.
     
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    Reshad Jones would be the best bet, and maybe Parker if we can convince someone he just needs a fresh start. But it's not even worth getting rid of Parker unless you can get a 3rd bc he will have to be replaced. I wasn't a fan of the monster contract we gave Jones b/c I just don't think a SS has that much effect on winning games (we won a lot when he was hurt).
     
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    I agree that Jones, Tannehill, Parker, Stills, and Suh are probably the only players on this team with trade value, but I think none of them get higher than a third.
     
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    I don't think anyone on the team is going to garner a first-round pick other than perhaps Tannehill, and that would be contingent on his being completely medically cleared and performing well for another team in a workout.
     
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    At this point the best way to get more picks will be to trade down. If we're drafting top 5 or 6 then trading down to about 10 or 11 would bring an extra 3rd round pick probably. Moving down again would bring another one and of course you can always trade down in the 2nd round as well for more picks. The contracts we gave our will make it extremely hard to move anybody

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Must keep Laundry. Parker has value and I believe we could get a second round pick. If so, take it and get the top rated center in the second round all while cutting pouncey creating 7-8 million dollar toward '18 salary.
     
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    You’d be selling low on every one not named Kenny stills and that probably wouldn’t land you much
     
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    Not that I would. But, would you consider trading Tannehill for a first round pick or a 2nd and 3rd and go and sign K.Cousins?
     
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    Suh, RT, Jones, Wake, Pouncey.
    Suh, RT can possibly net a 2nd and some later picks (teams rarely give up 1st rd picks anymore)
    Jones might net a 3rd rounder. Wake and Pouncey mid rounders due to age or injury history.
     
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    I'd actually consider moving Reshad Jones for the right compensation if we can land Minkah Fitzpatrick in the first round or Jaquan Johnson in the second. Please stay far away from Derwin James who will be a workout warrior although he's looked lost all season. Move T.J. to his natural position at SS.

    Jones is going to be 30 years old and may be able to fetch a second rounder. Use his money to keep Landry.
     
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    In a heartbeat. And I like Tannehill.

    Cousins + 1st or 2nd/3rd is just way better.
     
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    Tag and trade is Landry
    Jordan Phillips is worth maybe a 3rd.
    R Jones is easy since TJ McDonald can take over.
    Pouncey maybe since he is a name and maybe the Steelers would give a 5th.
    Wake doubtful, hes a smallish DE on the wrong side of 35yrd old.

    The elephant in the room is Tannehill. If a legit blue chip QB falls to the Dolphins? Can the Fins trade Tannehill to say the Cardinals? Arians love older QB's

    Either it's going to be cap hell for 1-2 years.
     
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    I doubt we can get more than a 5th for Phillips, but I'll take that. Much prefer Godchaux as a prospect going forward.

    I'd trade Pouncey for any type of compensation.... Even a 2019 7th. Don't care.
     
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    I'd trade Jones in a second if it were up to me. The best is not yet to come. McDonald is younger and already locked up. They're virtually the same player and Jones has dealt with injuries the past few seasons ... which doesn't tend to get better with age. People will view his contract similar to how they see Branch's now in a season or 2 ... not enough bang for the buck. For a strong safety.

    I'd keep all the receivers (for now) until they looked as hapless with an actual QB. I'd keep Landry regardless.

    Suh's contract makes him untradeable no matter how you look at it. Not til next year.

    You might get a 5th or 6th for Wake, which is a slap in the face for him at this point. Don't do it unless he wants out of Miami. If he wants to stay he's welcome to. It's not his fault this dumb**** team thought they could replace his production with Branch or Harris ... he'd only be getting pass rush snaps now if the FO knew what it was doing. People are going down that road with Wake like they did with JT ... not liking it.

    Not trading Tannehill.

    No one on earth is taking on Pouncey's contract. Not even for a 7th.


    There are more that are trade worthy but I felt like these needed to be addressed.
     
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    You can't trade a free agent. Unless you want to tag him first? And then, who is giving up a first on a like 15 mil or more deal for a slot wr? Albeit a damn good one.

    We better resign Landry. Find a way in the money
     
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    I'd looooooove to get ANYTHING for Pouncey
     
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    If you want to get real depressed, one way of looking at it is many of these current, high dollar contracts - for players who absolutely need to be jettisoned before winning can be sustained - make said players unmovable until after next season.

    In other words, they are handcuffed to the point that they can't even rebuild until after next year (if it all falls apart again ... holding out a little Thill hope). Then the rebuild. Then a couple years for players to develop. Tannehill would be playing elsewhere by then so add waiting on your new face of the franchise to get with it. Basically years.

    If they don't get it together next season, it will be years and years until Miami is relevant again. It's becoming harder and harder to find a silver lining.
     
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    Reshad Jones' name is all over this thread. Meanwhile I think I was the only one who suggested he should be traded nearing the deadline early in the season. We might have actually gotten something for him at that point. Now his reputation has declined somewhat after so many struggles in coverage later in the season, and we've seen he doesn't pair particularly well with McDonald. A sharp franchise would have recognized that McDonald is younger and could fill Jones' role.

    This team would be in far better shape by trading Jones at the deadline and keeping Ajayi. We'd have the physical presence at running back, the strong safety position wouldn't be markedly different, and the draft pick compensation would be a round or two earlier.

    I'll be square that I don't follow salary specifics and how likely it would be for a team to trade for Jones' contract. If we paid him more than he's worth that's not a shock.
     
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    Reshad is paid $12 million annually
     
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    R. Jones has a 11.5 million cap hit next year.

    If traded before June 1st, his dead cap for 18 is over 17 million.

    https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins

    We really can't move guys we recently re-signed unless you want a huge dead cap hit from them. Then you still need to go out and pay their replacement.

    This season we had over 20 million in dead money.
     
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    I think the big factor with trading Jones is we JUST resigned him to what I consider to be a "retire a phin" deal. We did the same for Wake. Gave them a bit more than we needed to and threw an extra year onto the deal that will likely never be realized.

    I'm not mad because we didn't pay either of these guys great money over the years and while Reshad wasn't as egregious as Wake, they both endured bad seasons like good soldiers in a losing war
     
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    The obvious, Suh, Thill, Landry, DVP, Stills, Jones.
    Don't forget Wake. Any team that close to sb that needs a pass rush specialist.
    And TJ Mc, if he performs the few games.
     
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    Wake has lost a step and would get a low round pick
     
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    Some of you guys are truly delusional. Lmao @ a 3rd for sorry *** Jordan Phillips, are you insane?

    The only players that we can realistically receive a high pick for are Tannehill and Landry. That's it. And Landry won't really be a free agent because he will be tagged and once he's tagged, fairly good chance he is traded.

    I would say at best Parker gets you a 3rd.

    Now if we were to send a draft pick along with the player, then MAYBE we could get a better pick in return for a Pouncey or a Kiko or a Branch. But more than likely no teams want these contracts. Thanks Tannenbaum.
     
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    Maybe a bus ticket
     
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    It doesn't work that way. If Landry and his agent are OK with the team willing to trade for him, they simply negotiate a new long term deal before the trade is officially established.

    An example would be: The 49ers are desperate for WR help so they express interest in Landry and are willing to give him his 11 mil a year deal loaded with guaranteed money. Dolphins trade him for two 3rd round picks as a tagged player, but the 49ers rescind the tag and the new deal begins.

    Dolphins are elated to get the picks because they really didn't have the cap room to keep Landry on the payroll.
     
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    I agree that Tannehill has decent trade value. He is well thought of around the league, and it only takes one interested team. The shame is that the most desperate team for a veteran leader at QB is, of course, the Cleveland Browns.

    The Browns have 5 picks in the first two rounds. Ya, FIVE, and two of them will likely be the 1st pick in the draft along with another top ten pick, then two early second rounders and another mid round 2nd. Totally freakin loaded for bear when it comes to ammunition to use for trades. If the Browns put someone capable in charge this off season they could virtually revolutionize their team.

    I don't see the Browns giving up a top ten draft pick for just Tannehill. If the Dolphins added another Pro Bowl type player, maybe....or a high 2019 draft pick, but otherwise, I think two of those 2nd rounders might actually get a deal done.

    Why wouldn't the Browns just use their top pick on a QB?? They have been trying that one for years........the results have been beyond bad. With this deal they could draft Sam Hubbard and Saquon Barkley and get their QB as well.

    This Dolphin team is carrying a lingering stench of defeat. They really do need to make the hard decisions and accomplish rejuvenating CHANGE!
     
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    Now that Miami is stuck with Jones and McDonald, who don't compliment each other as much as overlap, I think the best way forward is acknowledging a need at FS, moving McDonald to WLB, and kicking Kiko to the curb. He just makes way too many mistakes. McDonald is a similar size to other Safeties who have made the switch - Bucannon, Barron, Reid. And, Miami needs improved play at the position. He's a very good player in the box - SS or WLB.

    My top 2018 Safeties to compliment Jones:

    DeShon Elliott Texas
    Jordan Whitehead Pitt
    Mike Edwards Kentucky
     
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    W-H-A-A-A-T???? You mean Miami ISN'T the only team bad at picking QBs? Next you'll be saying mire than one team can't find a HC. But I thought Ross and Tbaum were the only inept humans in the NFL
     

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