Which top 10 player drops to #12?

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  1. cane6

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    I believe there is going to be a surprise or two that will allow a consensus top ten player fall to us at #12, or allow another team to offer up another 2nd rounder to trade up a few spots. Here are the consensus top 10 players. Which has the highest likelihood of falling to us?

    L. Joeckel - OT
    S. Lotulelei - DT
    G. Smith - QB
    J. Jones - DE/OLB
    D. Moore - DE
    B. Werner - DE
    D. Milliner - CB
    B. Mingo - DE
    C. Warmack - OG
    D. Jordan - DE/OLB

    Players to potentially move into top 10:
    M. Glennon - QB
    J. Hankins - DT
    S. Richardson - DT
    K. Allen - WR
    C. Patterson - WR
     
  2. JERSEYFINFAN23

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    would love for miami too trade back into 1st at some point and grab an impact player!
     
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    Warmack may be a cant miss OG(not original gangsta) but he will not be drafted in the top 10, probably after 17 or so closer to mid 20. I think Geno Smith has the potential to fall in this draft if he isnt chosen number 1. I think we should have a shot at Jordan, Warmack, Hankins, Richardson, Allen and Patterson from your list above as it stands now...but the 3rd weekend in April is a LONG ways away!
     
  4. MadDog 88

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    This is a year that I wouldn't object to Miami moving down 5-6 spots and picking up another 2nd rounder. Problem is I don't see anyone moving up into that spot at this point. Obviously it heats up the closer we get to the draft but for now, BPA at 12.
     
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    Teo goes well out of the top ten.
     
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    Too early to know who the consensus top 10 are, in my view.
     
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    My guess would be Dion Jordan because of his recent injury and that (3-4) other pass-rushers are going to go around then.
     
  8. kvado16

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    Jones, or Milliner.
     
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    Has to be Jones.
     
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    It's a good question. I think due to his spinal stenosis (sp), Jarvis Jones drops a little bit. He could be there. I think Dion Jordan will be there and probably Chance Warmack.
     
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    If we take a cornerback in the first ill lose my s***. There are no corners worth a first round pick. Get a pass rusher that makes the whole secondary better. Or a wr
     
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    Hopefully Millner.
     
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    Matt Barlkey might get picked in the top 10 too....
     
  14. Digital

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    I definitely don't consider that to be the top 10 talents, but if we assume it is, I fully expect Smith, Milliner, Warmack and Jordan to be there at 12. IMHO, Smith shouldn't be there, but there's a lot of overdrafting of QB's lately so who knows. Milliner may be the consensus best CB this year, but I don't think any of the CB's are truly elite this year. Warmack will not be in the top 10 because he's a guard. Jordan certainly could go top 10, but I don't consider him a lock either. Heck, Mingo could drop as well ... we'll have to see how his interviews go.

    Of all the players you've listed, I'm most hoping we select Cordarrelle Patterson ... though if Werner or Moore somehow drop I wouldn't complain either. :D
     
  15. Geordie

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    Last year most of the pundits agreed that there were 6 elite prospects, and they all went in the top six picks I believe. Where is the drop off this year ? Is it too early to say ?
     
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    I was looking at a mock draft put out by Gil Brandt...sorry I don't have the link, but he has us taking -

    BYU OLB/DE Ezekial Ensah....."Ziggy" is from Ghana and hasn't played much football but he has lots of upside.
     
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    He's going in the top 10. He's the best guard prospect... well... god. Since I've started really following the draft, to be honest.
     
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    as unpopular as it might seem, choosing this BULLDOZER of a man (Warmack) @12 would be a step in the right direction!!
     
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    I think it's the cheap way out. You're guaranteed to get a solid player that doesn't necessarily make a big impact on your team. As a GM it will pad your portfolio of non-bust draft picks so you can say, I always pick solid players. But you SHOULD be aiming for more than that. You should be aiming to get an impact player.
     
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    But what if impact players are added via free agency?

    BTW, normally I would agree 100% but this Year I don't see an impact player that is any better than the impact players who are rated as 2nd round picks.
     
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    Couldn´t disagree with you CK...but if a player of Warmack´s quality, would impact young players already on the field like Clay, DT, Miller, and Mathews, plus ***ents and other picks, isn´t he worth it? How big of a drop-off is there between him and other Guards? Is he that special of a project? Will he impact our OLine in a way similar to what the Cowboys had in the 90´s? Does he fit our scheme? What do you get first, the egg, or the chick? What little I´ve seen of him (and I´m no Ted or Namor), is one of the meanest, strongest G prospects in years, all I´m trying to imply is that it would probably impact our team in more positive ways than negative (contradictory to Ireland´s life expectancy)...:up:
     
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    I think Dion Jordan has to be the pick, but I think he goes top 5. I was hoping to have a team drafting right behind us with great QB needs, but I am not sure TB qualifies. I see us either moving up to get Jordan or moving back 10-12 spots and getting the BPA of the TE, WR, CB group.
     
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    [SIZE=-1]Star Lotulelei is the player that I think will fall to us. I dont thin[SIZE=-1]k we take hi[SIZE=-1]m, but I see him slipping past us.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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    Unless a guy like Werner falls, I think the BPA is going to be Warmack or Cooper. For our purposes, I'd opt for Cooper, and I'd be happy with that pick. Too dynamic to pass up. Can't imagine the things he could do next to Pouncey. I think you get your stud - and he does come at a position of need, here, though it's not the greatest need - in the 1st, and you draft two WR's somewhere in your next four picks. With the depth of the WR class, you should be able to grab two quality WR's, and you still have a pick to look at a Poyer/Trufant and another to look at pass rusher.
     
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    Jones and Mingo.

    Mingo is completely overrated IMO playing on championsip type college team.
     
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    You should be aiming for a starter day one for the next 10 years and beyond and at a position of need preferably who will make your team better.

    I always look at the draft in a big picture sense.

    Why draft Allen at 12 if you think someone else will fit better and score more or give you much better value?

    When the draft is deep at a position, this is where the big picture comes into play. DE, WR, S, ILB, and T is where quality depth is. So you look to great players at any position and you give more weight to the depth at position so you can get better value and end up with a player who ends up being better fit and just as good as the top ranked guys. Okafor is an example I would use right now but things change quickly this time of year info wise.
     
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    i'll eat my shorts if star gets to #12...someones scooping that up and very early...top 8 worst case
     
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    If he is ranked top 5 on Ireland's chart and Randy Starks is not resigned, I think he wont even blink. either that or trade bait is high on radar.
     
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    IMHO you don't trade down to get an impact player, those generally come from the front half on the first round.
     
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    I am starting to like the idea Kenny Vaccaro at 12. He has ball skills. Can cover the slot and is an outstanding in run support. Jones and Vaccaro could be an outstanding tandem for the next 8 years.
     
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    Jeff has been angling for a top DE pass rusher the past couple of years and really tried to get one in Perry last year. I just see that as his choice unless 1 Jake Long is not resigned or 2 he finds a star reciever in his lap he cannot pass up. Could be a TE after listening to the draft chatter on this site I guess. Jeff keeps saying impact and in the past he has always made hints like these to kinda of tell us where he is going. Just do not see a guard in the first roun. My thinking if we use Long use his FA money on the best guard in FA out there which should be lots cheaper and take your chances on the outside with Jerry, Gardner, Martin and possibly the late 2nd or 3rd round on another OT. Just for debth I would rather have a Hartline, Smith ,Bush, Fasano, Clemons and possibly Starks come back with maybe a Wallace than to put a huge effort into Long. This move to resign those guys on the high side would cost with a FA guard around the 45000 cap space we have and put us in a good position to draft talent over need in the draft.
     
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    Unlike most years, there really isn't a strong consensus of top players in this draft. Every year we see some adjustment at the top where an athletic marvel like Nick Fairley falls and a more solid prospect like Marcel Darius rises. But this year it seems strange. Most of the very best athletic kids all underperformed. None of the QB's looked like future greats. There's just a huge amount of 'maybe' in the first half of the draft. There are a lot of guys who will be busts or simply decent players who will be greatly overdrafted. I see different GM's grading out prospects wildly differently, so I expect more trades than usual as the GM's try to push through the sea of mediocrity and get 'their guy.'

    I definitely think this is a year where we could get a top 5 guy at 12. I'm also increasingly uneasy about staying at 12, because the prospects that most interest me are all going after that but before our 2a pick. This draft will really underline which scouts/GM's are good, and which ones can't see it. Does Mingo become the next Jevon Kearse? Does Sam Montgomery become the next phenom zone blitz guy in Pittsburgh? Does Dion Jordan become the second coming of Jason Taylor? Does Jarvis Jones become a hard worker? Does Margus Hunt learn to play football? Does Zeki Ansah channel his inner Tamba Hali? Does Carradine get healthy? Or do they all become massive busts a la Vernon Gholston? This draft is going to get a lot of GM's fired in a year or two IMHO.

    By the time the draft rolls around, post combine, we will see a different board I suspect. QB's will rise, OL will rise (already started to happen really), and FA will sharpen teams' needs. I'm just not convinced that the 12 is going to be any worse than 2 or better than 22. Shocking, I know, but this looks like a very subjective class to me. I doubt there will be a consensus of top players, I expect to see a lot of trades, and I have my fingers crossed that we get players that work well with Tannehill.
     
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    This is one of many years I'd trade back. Primarily because I have zero faith in this staff to make the right choice so the more players we select, the better chance Ireland gets lucky. Totally clueless.
     
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    I hadnt even given it any thought until a few mocks made me take a look. He seems have excellent cover skills and looks like a probowl safety. For all that he was, the Texas defense was abused at times. We need to go CB at some point and soon afterwards if we do take him and then hope a good wr is still there. Having this many holes suck.
     
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    The difference in talent between Vaccaro and Clemons does not justify us taking Vaccaro at #12. There was an article in the Herald that stated as of today Hartline and Clemons are the only two FA that have had serious contract negotiations. We have way too many holes to be taking Vaccaro at #12.

    Do you realize how bad our CB situation is people? Ricardo Marshall, a guy coming off a bulging disc back surgery is our best CB under contract. Lets put things in perspective guys. Now if we sign D . Cox and another CB maybe we trade down to The 20's and then consider Vaccaro.
     
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    I just realized that I called it back in January that we would trade up for Jordan and also that Star would fall past 12.
     
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    Sorry to quote myself, but we didn't do what I was hoping, instead consolidating both of our top picks into Dion Jordan. I sure hope he becomes the next Jason Taylor, because we can all see some of the similar traits. We didn't help Tannehill ... at all really. No red zone threat added, no LT, and despite the tremendous depth at WR, we didn't draft one of those either.

    We added some quality players, but I can't help thinking we missed a real window of opportunity to build around Tannehill.
     
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    nice call brother
     
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    Well done, good sir.

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    I think we had too many needs to fill them all. Some would say DE/OLB wasnt a need because we had a starter there but we honestly needed Jordan. Having a red zone threat in the receiving game would have been really nice at some point. I wanted the UCLA tight end because he fit that mold, but Ireland valued other players there.
     
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    Fair enough. I did think we needed a pass rusher to complement and soon replace Wake. Jordan is a projection and a risk, but I didn't have a problem with the pick itself. I think he's a good prospect with length and speed and those have done well as of late. It also fits with one method of defending the read-option, which I've linked in my signature.

    I just disliked using our 1st, both 2nds and one of our two 3rds on defense when we definitely have gaping holes on offense unfilled. Somewhere in there you've got to build around your young QB, and in the offseason Wallace was the only major upgrade to our offense I saw. The rest of the moves were not major upgrades and given that we had the 3rd most money in free agency and 5 draft picks in the top 82, I expected more.
     

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