Who cares what (insert media bigwig here) has to say??

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  1. TorontoFin

    TorontoFin Trapped in Trudeaupia

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    Time and time again I see threads blasting some NFL, ESPN, or SI talking head for his uniformed opinions on the fins. Sometimes, when they're really outrageous, they deserve to be responded to. But why do so many people here put so much stock in the views of big media commentators? Do you really think "Adam Schefter" or Prisco have an intricate understanding of the Dolphins players? Sure they knows the roster -- the players' names, their numbers if they're worth mentioning, and the team record. But it ends there. So the simple translation for them is: "No pro bowlers, 11 loses last year (don't know or care that all but two were close)" Conclusion: Mia sucks

    They don't know who's excelling at camp, who has the goods to be a star, if there's an underbelly that can turn the team around, etc..

    They're all the same these big media guys. They're journalists-by-highlight reel, because their understanding of who's who in the NFL is simply an extension of who's stats are big from the year before and what they see on PrimeTime after all the games are played Sunday evening.

    That's not to say they don't know anything about the game. Of course they're experts in a broad sense. But the really big guys, C. Burman, P. King, etc. have gotten so inflated that they simply don't have the time to see what's brewing beneath the surface. Sports media in general is very reactive. That's why, for example, while we knew McMike could be something special when he hurdled that CB straight into the endzone in preseason a couple years back -- these guys don't even know his name until he makes X number of highlights on ESPN. They simply have a view that's a mile wide and an inch thick on NFL talent.

    I hear Peter King on the Buffalo sports station every Tues. (hey, it's the only NFL talk I can hear in this anythingbuthockey-forsaken town) and he doesn't know sh--. Sure he has a rich concept of NFL history and rules, and trade rumours, hiring/firings, but ask him about a second-tier player's chances to make the team or his opinions on how Losman played the game before, and he couldn't tell you a thing beyond what any monkey can figure out by reading the box score. He goes on and tells Buffalo fans, through broad generalities what they delude themselves in believing anyway: that they're great, and losman looks good, and they could make the playoffs, and bla b la bla. He does the same in any market he goes on, as they all do.
     
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    Right on brother!! :beerbang:
     
  3. DuderinoN703

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    I've never cared. I've made a few threads talking about this subject. I'm tired of people caring what certain folks have to say about Miami. All the predictions and "analysis". Nobody is in Miami every single day watching the team improve, at least not these "prediction" makers.

    These "bigwigs" sit in their New England studio or L.A. studio and run off at the mouth as if they matter. It's usually based on the previous years performance, or how Preseason is going.

    Just let the season get here already, and if we suck still, then we suck. That's just how it is. Life goes on
     
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    exactly. Not to say alex marvex and the local crew are much better, in the grand scheme, but at least they can provide you with SOME sort of analysis beneath the surface. At the end of the day we can agree or disagree based on what we see. They usually, of course have a much narrower view of the NFL in general, so you can't win. Have your own faith, your own doubts, because in the end the result won't change
     
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    Finaddict Well-Known Member

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    They are just fed info from other analysts. They don't look at teams and think about individual players. They just look at "Headline" players and last years results. Bottomline, they don't know what they are talking about.
     
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    Losman7 Greater of 2 Evils.

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    My question is: How do you know that these guys aren't pouring over camp reports themselves?

    I mean, they have just as much or more access to teams as we do as fans... but they get paid to research it...

    Obviously not every guy is right on all the time, but to write them off as stupid is stupid on your part...
     
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    :beerbang:This has to be one of the best summarys I have read on this matter
     
  8. Mike13

    Mike13 I am a golden god

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    Amen!
     
  9. GRT8

    GRT8 DOLPHIN FAN SINCE 1970

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    I AGREE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT...THAT IS WHY I AM CAREFUL WHO'S OPINION I VALUE
     
  10. AmazonJack

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    Technically what does anyone know? All the people that say that ESPN's commentator don't know anything are the same people hurdling their grandmother's to see what Tom Jackson has to say about this weeks fins game. All of these people know what we know, they just sometimes find out about it before we do. The only difference is that when some "2nd tier" player is on the fringe of making the team they all don't get giddy like we do...CAUSE THEY AREN'T DOLFANS!!!
    Example...All last summer everyone was talking Bua. Bua has got a motor. Bua got a bad temperment. Bua all day. If it would not have been for one magical hit last year, all of us would have forgotten about Bua. And this year Bua might not make the team.
    Analysts, commentators, experts they are just like us...Except someone pays them.

    Brock Berlin era starts '05!!! :D
     
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    The only predictions I place any value on are the final scores/stats at end of a game. That tells me all I need to know.
     
  12. TorontoFin

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    I never said they were stupid, please don't Dan Ratherize my post.maybe this line would help: "That's not to say they don't know anything about the game. Of course they're experts in a broad sense."
    And if they are pouring over camp reports, most of the big-name dudes don't show any evidence of it. Again, if you want the inside story of the TO-Phili dispute, these guys are where you go, any other in depth team analysis search elsewhere -- unless you like swiming in the shallow end of course
     
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    I'd be rich if I was paid 5 dollars everytime Losman or the other Bills fans disagreed with Dolfans. W/O football we'd still disagree. Guess that's what makes the world go around huh?
     
  14. TorontoFin

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    He should know. Peter King and john Clayton are on Buff radio every week raving about how good the bills are. This has been going on for years. Neither has been able to explain why they haven't made the playoffs since the days of Flutie and his flakes -- although they've never been asked
     
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    Excellent point ToFin, a great example of that is Len Pasquarelli(spelling?) of ESPN spending 2 days at Dolphin camp very early on, and expousing for the world that the Dolphins had very little talent and were a long way from ever competing.

    While I'm not saying he was completely wrong, I will say that there is no way he can make some of the broad sweeping conclusions he made about the Dolphins prospects a few days into training camp.

    Great post!
     
  16. TorontoFin

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    Hey blue, how ya doing? exactly right.
    Look it makes no sense that you can objectively look at my Mia's O and say they don't have talent. I'm not saying that's going to translate into many more Ws, we don't know, but if we had to speculate (which is exactly what Len and freinds are paid to do) then you have no choice to give the fins the benefit of the doubt for improving.

    The truth is, with a healthy david boston, they have one of the most talanted starting 3 WRs in the NFL. The line is virtually the same, but we hired one of the best O-line coaches. It can only get better. The co-ordinator is bringing in a PROVEN O system. It can only get better. We don't know if saban is the answer on the sidelines, but in any case wanny is gone. Enough said. It can only get better.
    At RB, we have one of the most talented (there's that word again) rookies in the draft, and by far, the most "complete" RB in the draft. Ricky, even at 60 % of his 2002 production (and I'm not saying he'll even get back even to that point) is still better than half the leauge. Do I have to say it? yes. It can only get better.
    And finally, while I don't like Gus as a starting QB, and I'm not sure he'll be any more productive than what we had in the past 5 years, I do have faith he won't give up a INT-TD every second game, which should be good for at least a couple more wins than 04 on its own.
     
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    These guys know nothing, which is why they're paid to do what they do. I think fans are too sensitive, they say that a certain writer is an idiot, yet continue to read his articles, I don't get it. These are the same people, who after someone posts something positive, they all the sudden are great, well researched journalists. Kinda hypocritical for Dolfans who it seems that when something positive is written the guy is great, but as soon as something negative comes up, they know nothing.
     
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    yeah, I hear you -- which was my original point, i failed to come full circle on. I too think Fin fans are sensative in nature. I think being told for 20 years by these people that Dan can never be considered the best without the bling has in part conditioned us to it. We just have to learn to ignore it..always consider the source
     
  19. T.R.U. FIN3

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    I agree with this post a lot. I personally don't care to much for what anyone on ESPN says about the Dolphins most of the time, unless they have a member on the team actually featured then they pucker up.
     
  20. AshleyJudd'sMan

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    I agree with the post as well.
     
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