Who would you have taken with same picks?

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by normaniii, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. normaniii

    normaniii A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2008
    Messages:
    2,346
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Now the draft is over, who would you have taken if you was GM? We can look back at this next year, two years and what most consider the right time to judge a draft in 3 years.

    None of us can project trades so, only 2 rules apply. You can stick with the original pick or you can go with the trade made. In other words you cant project your own trades.

    Also you are drafting for Philbin. He wants a character guys with a good work ethic, so certain players must be off the board, for example Tyrann Mathieu.

    Also try to draft without hindsight. In other words draft with the intention of not knowing how next rounds will fall.

    My draft:-

    I love the first 3 picks, but think we missed a trick after trade with Saints. I hated the trade up for Will Davis. I thought we could have picked off on all the talent that fell into round 4.

    1-Dion Jordan-DE/OLB
    2-Jamer Taylor-CB
    3-Dallas Thomas-OT
    4-Barrett Jones-OG/C
    4-Phillip Thomas-SS
    4-Quinton Patton-WR
    5-Joseph Randle-RB
    5-Caleb Sturgis-K
    7-Reid Fragel-OT
    7-Chase Thomas-OLB
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 2, 2013
  2. Phinsfan93

    Phinsfan93 A True Fan

    Joined:
    Dec 2012
    Messages:
    1,105
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Original picks...I think. We gave up a 4th, 5th, and 7th in the Will Davis trade up after trading with NO, they're back now.
    1. Lane Johnson OT- Just for insurance and the fact that we have more draft picks now.
    2. Jamar Taylor CB
    3. Damontre Moore DE
    4a. Duke Williams S
    4b. Dion Sims TE
    4c. Khaseem Greene LB
    5a. Kenny Stills WR
    5b. Mike Gillislee RB
    5c. Dustin Hopkins K
    Didn't have a 6th.
    7a. Jordan Poyer CB
    7b. Braden Brown OT
     
  3. SF Dolphin Fan

    SF Dolphin Fan Seasoned Veteran

    Joined:
    May 2005
    Messages:
    5,961
    Likes Received:
    219
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I'd make one change --- Patton instead of Davis in the 3rd. I also may have gambled and taken Wheaton instead of Thomas with the hopes that Thomas would fall a few spots to the original 3rd round pick.
     
  4. FearTheBeard

    FearTheBeard FearTheBurke

    Joined:
    Jun 2007
    Messages:
    4,262
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I was thinking about posting a similar thread, glad someone did.

    You've got the right idea, I agree with a ton of yours, but without the hindsight of Moore being on the board in the 3rd I think Dion would've been my pick. So, without trading back into the 3rd round:
    1. Dion Jordan, DE
    2. Jamar Taylor, CB
    3. Dallas Thomas, OL
    4a. Dion Sims, TE
    4b. Quinton Patton, WR
    5a. Mike Gillislee, RB
    5b. Jordan Poyer, CB
    5c. Dustin Hopkins, K
    7a. Chase Thomas, LB
    7b. Don Jones, S
     
  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    This isn't hindsight. I actually set myself to drafting right along side the Dolphins in real time. If the Dolphins made a trade I agreed with (Davone Bess, the trade down from 82) then I accepted it. If not (trading up from 12 to 3), then I didn't.

    Pick #012: DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
    Pick #042: OT Menelik Watson, Florida State
    Pick #054: TE Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
    Pick #077: WR Stedman Bailey, West Virginia
    Pick #104: S Shamarko Thomas, Syracuse
    Pick #106: OG Brian Schwenke, California
    Pick #109: RB Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
    Pick #146: CB Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
    Pick #164: WR Mark Harrison, Rutgers
    Pick #166: DE Cornelius Washington, Georgia
    Pick #224: OT Xavier Nixon, Florida
    Pick #250: QB Peter Lalich, California (PA)

    Priority Free Agents: DT Darrington Sentimore, DT Kwame Geathers, WR Sam McGuffie, FB Lonnie Pryor, RB Dennis Johnson, TE Joseph Fauria and CB Nickell Robey.
     
  6. 2413fanphins

    2413fanphins A True Fan

    Joined:
    Mar 2006
    Messages:
    6,624
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0

    I like this list quite a bit.
     
  7. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I did the same Ck as I always do and I didnt include the trade up to number 3 or NO trade but liked and would have traded Bess.
    12)Tyler Eifert TE- This would have been a hard decision between him , Jarvis Jones and Star but I feel with young qb a good all around TE would really aid his devlopment
    42)johnathon Banks CB- Would have hoped for a Trufant or Rhodes fall and would have changed pick if Carradine had fell more. No other corners seemed starters after him. Also liked FSU tackle alot
    54)Terron Armstead T- really liked Lacy with this pick as well as Moore but felt tackles were going off board and some nice pass rusher types were left. Poyer would have been pick if Banks had not been taken
    77)Damontre Moore DE/LB- was pretty irked that two wr's I was targeting were gone Allen and Williams but never expected them there. Bailey was an option but Moore has first round talent.
    82)Steadman Bailey wr- shocked at the two receivers that go ahead of him. too productive . definately a playmaker . not one other player considered here
    104)Barret Jones C-G- was also shocked he was still on board , alex okafor also was gone so basically no brainer to me
    146)Zac Stacy Rb- was a very hard choice between him and the back we actually drafted from Florida but doing what he did at Vandy is quite impressive
    164)Jordan Poyer CB- Liked him much earlier in draft but we had other needs but at this point some of them are filled and he is best on board- really wanting swope but think undrafted fa is way to go
    166)Josh Evans S-like his makeup needs coaching for sure should help as a special teams player
    224)Lerentee McCray OLB- like his potential did alot in some big games for the gators
    250-Tyler Bray qb- always good value to take a chance on a qb that may develop.

    When we drafted kicker I was like great but I was guilty trying to hold out because most kickers in the nfl are not drafted.
    I would sign Zach Brown or and quinn sharp as an undrafted FA love to have sharp because he can help u rest the punter since he is good at kicking and punting
     
  8. finresurrection

    finresurrection 2 Babes and a little paint, sweet!!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 2005
    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I love the Peter Lalich pick and from what I have found so far, no one has picked him up yet. I find that surprising to say the least. he could be serious competition to any team's current #3 QB.
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    A good camp arm, at the least.
     
  10. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

    Joined:
    Jul 2008
    Messages:
    9,734
    Likes Received:
    258
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I wouldn't have traded up unless it was for Dee Milliner. Otherwise....


    1 (12) - Tyler Eifert

    2 (42) - Corey Lemonier

    2 (54) - Stedman Bailey

    3 (77) - Hugh Thornton

    3 (82) - Zaviar Gooden

    4 (104) - Shamarko Thomas

    5 (146) - Terry Hawthorne

    5 (164) - Ryan Swope

    5 (166) - Cornelius Washington

    7 (224) - Eric Herman

    7 (250) - Don Jones




    Priority UDFA's - Javone Lawson, Bennie Cunningham, Jake Stoneburner, Alvin Bailey, Jordan Rodgers, Jeff Nady, Zach Sudfeld
     
  11. Hayden Fox

    Hayden Fox Love Creating Turnovers Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    30,898
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    48
    1. I like some of your picks...esp. late. Franklin is a steal. Washington is probably a workout warrior, but worth a look at 6.
    2. I love the trade compared to what you took at 12. Lotulelei does not move me much. Richardson and Williams are going to make more of an impact. And both DT's who were still on the board.
    3. Taylor is a much better selection than Kelce at 54. He was thought of higher in many people's mind and plays a more important position. Sims has similar grade to Kelce everywhere I looked and he was taken two rounds later.
    4. Watson is an interesting project, but in the end a chancy decision to pencil him as a starter at OT. We would be looking for insurance anyways in the FA market
    5. I cannot argue with JI's picks of Taylor and Sims because I was banging the keyboard on this site hoping they would take them.

    Overall you have nice draft, but the Fins actual haul is very solid. No complaints.
     
  12. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83

    thats the only player I thought was worth trading up for esp the drop at cb after him. Thats why I drafted Banks because I felt after him was a steep drop off in talent.
    I remember all draft wanting to take Swope but I saw other players that . THe two biggest suprised was Poyer and Swope dropping. Poyer was a fringe 1st rounder to many people that dont have teams to draft for. Swope was overrated on the board but he should have went sooner. Kind of weird Hartline went in 4th and he almost went undrafted .
     
  13. SMadison29

    SMadison29 What Sherman aspires to be

    Joined:
    Sep 2001
    Messages:
    8,585
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Stealing CK's format...

    Pick #012: DT Star Lotulelei, Utah - BPA
    Pick #042: CB Johnthan Banks, Mississippi St - between Banks & Watson, don't want a project this high
    Pick #054: OLB Arthur Brown, Kansas St - a favorite of mine, can play all three downs puts Misi on the bench
    Pick #077: DE Damontre Moore, Texas A&M - toughest choice, missed Allen by one pick, thought Bailey would fall
    Pick #104: FS Phillip Thomas, Fresno St - centerfielder that creates turnovers, Clemens needs competition
    Pick #106: RT David Bahktiari, Colorado - need oline help, tough, can play LT in a pinch
    Pick #109: C/G Barrett Jones, Alabama - more oline help, versatile
    Pick #146: RB Mike Gillislee, Florida - need a power back, missed out on Stepfan Taylor
    Pick #164: CB Jordan Poyer, Oregon St - perfect zone corner
    Pick #166: DE Cornelius Washington, Georgia - too good of an athlete to let him fall any further
    Pick #224: TE Joseph Fauria, UCLA - redzone target
    Pick #250: OT Chris Faulk, LSU - knee injury, redshirt him

    Can't solve all of the team's problems with one draft. Will look for a TE & slot receiver next year but this draft would've prepared us for most of the impending free agents following this season (Soliai, Starks, Grimes, Misi, Clemons, Incognito).
     
  14. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    So u are happy with our wr's , youth wise
     
  15. Roman529

    Roman529 Moon Runner / The 3 AM Crew

    Joined:
    Jul 2004
    Messages:
    36,493
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This!!!! I would have stayed put and taken Eifert first than filled in the pieces. I do like that we got Jordan though. I think the only pick I disliked was Will Davis, but hopefully he will get better.
     
  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Are you really trying to impress upon me that my preference of Travis Kelce over Jamar Taylor is null because you checked around for internet grades and found some people rating Dion Sims the same as Travis Kelce?

    How long have you known me?
     
  17. FearTheBeard

    FearTheBeard FearTheBurke

    Joined:
    Jun 2007
    Messages:
    4,262
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I'm a little shocked at the non-emphasis you placed on the defensive backfield. Were you just happier with our DB then most, or just didn't see the value?
     
  18. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Just the value didn't play out that way, unfortunately. The whole draft could have gone a number of different directions. Had Star Lotulelei not fallen to 12 then I probably would've taken D.J. Hayden at that spot and at that point between he and Shamarko Thomas you end up saying "wow ck you got us some nice backfield options". Know what I mean? I just couldn't pass up on a Star Lotulelei for a D.J. Hayden even though I adore Hayden.

    You can't fix EVERYTHING in one draft. If you'd have given me the full off season I feel comfortable I'd have come away with a lot of fixes but that's not what happened here...
     
  19. SJSharKFinFan

    SJSharKFinFan Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2010
    Messages:
    41
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    For me it isn't about value, but players that I really must come away with for a draft. If this means reaching in the eyes of talking heads on tv, then so it be it. I would subscribe to Dimitroff's or Spielman's philosophy of trading away picks to securing the coveted players. Any player off the street can be depth, finding immediate return on players should be the goal of the draft. Hindsight makes it easy to see who was slotted where without having to worry if someone jumps you for a player.

    Bolded are must players.

    1 (12) - Shariff Floyd, DT
    2 (42) - Robert Alford, CB
    2 (54) - Vance McDonald, TE
    3 (77) - Markus Wheaton, WR
    3 (82) - Johnathan Franklin, RB
    4 (104) - Lavar Edwards, DE
    5 (146) - Terry Hawthorne, CB
    5 (164) - Cornelius Washington, DE
    5 (166) - Steve Beauharnais, LB
    7 (224) - Marc Anthony, CB
    7 (250) - Don Jones, S

    UDFA Da'rick Rogers You can't teach talent, but you can gut check attitude, immaturity.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 1, 2013
  20. FearTheBeard

    FearTheBeard FearTheBurke

    Joined:
    Jun 2007
    Messages:
    4,262
    Likes Received:
    99
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ya fair enough, if that's your evaluation of Star can't disagree with you and your philosophy. I would have to assume you aren't a Jamar Taylor fan then? My biggest thing entering this draft was stopping the high octane offenses with pass rush and players in the secondary, that why I wouldn't have been crazy about Star cause I think he's a little limited rushing the passer, and part of the reason I came away very pleased with our draft at the end of the day. I wanted 1 solid corner and one solid pass rusher, so the first 2 picks couldn't have played out much better in my eyes.
     
  21. Hayden Fox

    Hayden Fox Love Creating Turnovers Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    30,898
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I take a little offense that you say I just "checked" the web a little bit and came to a conclusion. For someone like me that has respected your takes in the past, it is too bad you cannot do the same in return....so be it.

    I will never pretend to be a professional evaluator...newsflash...nobody is here on Finheaven...hence it is a fan site. However, I consider myself extremely informed. I have loved the draft since my childhood. I take in whatever I can whether it is TV programming, quality resources online like at CBS and Tony Pauline and watch college football all year with the draft in mind. From there, I formulate my takes. So when I say it is my assessment that I think Taylor and Sims are better prospects than Kelce, I say it from what I have developed and not a quick Google search.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 1, 2013
  22. SMadison29

    SMadison29 What Sherman aspires to be

    Joined:
    Sep 2001
    Messages:
    8,585
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No, certainly not. We only really have a need for a slot receiver with a little shake & quickness. Aside from Keenan Allen who we missed out on by one friggin pick, the one's that fit that bill (Stedman Bailey, Josh Boyce, & Ace Sanders) were over drafted.
     
  23. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Don't take offense. This is quite literally exactly what you wrote:

    You're going to get your feathers ruffled because I took your exact meaning exactly the way you said it?

    I'm just saying, I don't know how you can sit here and try and convince me I made bad picks based on internet grades you found of guys. I'm not saying YOUR opinion is wrong. But you didn't even really state your own opinion. You brought up others' opinions. I'd have preferred your own.
     
  24. Surferosa

    Surferosa Run to Daylight

    Joined:
    Sep 2002
    Messages:
    5,796
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This is fun. Im still of the opinion that we needed to select one more WR early in the draft to give Tannehill the requisite weapons to make our offense truly explosive (i.e. the Matt Ryan Strategy). That said, if I had to draft at three, I probably wouldve selected Jordan as well given his unique skillset and high ceiling. Jamar Taylor at #2 was tremendous value. Dont think anyone wouldve done the Davis trade up as it robbed us of all the mid-round value this draft possessed. Im also not of the opinion that we needed three DB's in this draft (especially once we nabbed Taylor at 54).

    1-Dion Jordan-DE/OLB - Agree. A bona-fide difference maker. A very non-Dolphin pick!
    2-Jamar Taylor-CB - Agree. Tremendous value. Wouldve liked a WR here but Hunter didnt drop. Probably our best value pick if fully healthy.
    3-Khaseem Greene-LB - Heres where the trouble began. There was no need to make a need pick for a Tackle in round three if were just going to sign 1-2 OT's in FA anyway. Couldve waited until round four to take a Dallas Thomas type which frees you up to take BPA in round 3. Surprised Khaseem Greene dropped this far. Wouldve taken him here without batting an eye. Playmaking 4-3 LB who creates turnovers.
    4-Earl Watford/Dallas Thomas - If Thomas falls to round 4, hes your pick here. If not, then Watford gives you depth at OG. We punt on OT's in the draft and call Winston/Clabo/etc in the morning.
    4-Quinton Patten -WR - Wouldve loved to pick a WR earler but there was better talent on the board in the other rounds. Patten is good value here and the last player of his calibre in this tier IMO
    4-Marcus Lattimore- RB - Luxury selection with 10 picks. Shelve him for the year and plan for him to pair with Lamar Miller in 2014.
    5-Cornelius Washington- DE - Another luxury selection. Thought hed go earlier.
    5-Michael Williams -TE - Blocking TE with no Dion Sims in the fold.
    5-Dustin Hopkins -K - Dont regret taking a PK with our supplementary pick in round five. Basically a sixth rounder
    7-Darick Rogers -WR - In the seventh round, hes worth a chance.
    7-Don Jones -DB - Agree with Ireland. Get your second DB here

    Summary:

    * Three day one starters on defense - DE Jordan, LB, Greene, DB Taylor.
    * Two WR's with upside - Patten and Darick
    * Three Specialists - Washington (Pass rusher), M. Williams (blocking TE) and Hopkins (PK)
    * Two depth players at positions of need - Watford (OL) and Jones (DB/S)

    :highfive:
     
  25. Valandui

    Valandui Lumberjack Batman Donator

    Joined:
    May 2008
    Messages:
    10,233
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This draft would have been sweet.
     
  26. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    How was Steadman bailey overdrafted . I think he was underdrafted.
     
  27. Awsi Dooger

    Awsi Dooger A True Fan

    Joined:
    Feb 2005
    Messages:
    7,716
    Likes Received:
    81
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I did this mentally in real time, but only at Miami's initial spots, and only until early 4th round. After that I started watching the PGA golf, and I really wasn't fully informed on the late picks anyway. I would have been making some informed picks, some stabs, and some stumped.

    12) I would have been disappointed but not surprised that Tavon Austin was gone. The league had to wise up at some point. I considered Richardson since I viewed him as a true disruptor and more talented than the two high profile defensive tackles. Those comments prior to the Georgia game bothered me. In the end I decided the best combo of sensible and safe was Tyler Eifert

    42) Arthur Brown. Not a need but a dependable player. I'm convinced he's better than the two guys we signed in free agency, and would prove that in a hurry. Besides, I'm a sucker for guys who were extremely highly rated coming out of high school

    54) Armstead. Not difficult at all. Athletes of that caliber are worth the risk. I wasn't going to chance 77, even if this seemed a bit too high. Plus I knew it would spark debate over Armstead vs. Albert, who could have been had for this pick

    77) Toughest pick by far. I was back and forth, upset that Keenan Allen was nabbed one pick earlier. He's slow but I did see the Reggie Wayne comparison, which I thought of long before others started using it. Wanted a defensive back but nobody thrilled me. I ended up with Steadman Bailey

    82) Matt Barkley. Go ahead and scoff. It had become ridiculous at this point. Not as if we're dominant at backup quarterback, or Tannehill couldn't use a push

    Early 4th round) I don't remember the pick number but this was the ultimate no-brainer: Brian Schwenke. I mentioned in the Saturday night thread that he stood out to me among the guys still available. With Schwenke and Armstead on the front line we're considerably fortified there, even if I ignored cornerback.
     
  28. Dogbone34

    Dogbone34 cowboy surfer

    Joined:
    Apr 2007
    Messages:
    2,940
    Likes Received:
    31
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I would have stayed at 12 and taken Tyler Eifert.

    I can't knock the move up. I like Jordan. Miami needs him to hit it hard and now.

    The upside is good with him but there are concerns. I had zero concerns with Eifert.
     
  29. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Matt Barkley in 4th was good value. Never again should any prospect stay in school if they can drafted high
     
  30. normaniii

    normaniii A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2008
    Messages:
    2,346
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I have no issue with Barkley. I even think its smart move cap wise. QBs are massively overpaid, so if u can get a couple of good ones in draft, you can really load up on rest of roster.
     
  31. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    plus u cover you bases no guarantee that Tannehill will be a franchise qb. I think he will be
     
  32. Hayden Fox

    Hayden Fox Love Creating Turnovers Donator

    Joined:
    Jan 2009
    Messages:
    30,898
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    48
    There would be no convincing you that your picks are not as good as the actual Dolphins' selections. We can determine it once the games are played.

    I thought I gave MY take and not someone else's on this thread and the thousands of other posts I have here...with that said here is MY take...

    * Taylor is a better pick than Kelce because he plays a more important position.
    * Taylor is a fit within Miami's system
    * I would have thought Taylor would have gone earlier so I think it is a value pick. I had him mocked to Atlanta for example.
    * Sims is a better inline blocker than Kelce. For as big as Kelce is, his blocking leaves a lot to be desired. Sims is an athletic big man that could provide matchup issues. Kelce has a chance to be a nice player (he will create match up issues too). It is not that I think Kelce stinks, but getting Sims in the 4th vs. taking Kelce at 54 is a no brainer.
    * In terms of your mock, you got some nice players. However, for someone that ripped the current CB group all offseason, you did little to address that spot in the draft. Between Taylor, Davis (did not like this pick) and Don Jones the team made a bid to improve the situation. Jordan Poyer is not a solution.
     
  33. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Why wouldnt Jordan Poyer be a solution, is there any evidence that Taylor will be a better solution than Poyer outside of he was drafted higher.
    I think even if Atlanta had stayed put they would have still took Banks over Taylor.

    Not trying to start a fight because too many seem to get offended when you actually have debate in your convo.
    Also would you have taken Sims over Kelce if they were both available. Personally i wouldnt.

    Another thing is the more I look at draft it made no sense to trade up for Will Davis he just doesnt seem that special a placer and there was still some good corners left.

    I can sort of understand CK thinking on corner because to me once Banks was gone I did not see a year one starter left. I still would have drafted two corners if I missed on Banks in my mock
     
  34. j-off-her-doll

    j-off-her-doll FinHeaven VIP Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 2009
    Messages:
    13,800
    Likes Received:
    558
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Had Taylor ahead of Banks well before the draft. I'd take Amerson over Banks.
     
  35. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Im not sure Amerson is an NFL cb. I would have drafted Taylor probably if Banks was gone dont see Taylor as better than him in any way.
     
  36. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Again I don't see the need for getting testy about this. I'm telling you that I respect your opinion and if you disagree you disagree. I'm telling you to go ahead and state your own opinion and not "this guy was rated here" or "most grades I saw had this guy here".

    You should know by now that kind of thing means less than nothing to me.
     
  37. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 2002
    Messages:
    48,874
    Likes Received:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    83
    To me Jordan Poyer is a system fit from a specialist standpoint. He's a lot like Johnthan Banks that way. Neither is fast and they're both liabilities when you put them in situations where they have to run with receivers a long distance. They're both going to have to open their hips early against speed. But they both can intercept the football and both to me are good technicians. I think Poyer's attitude gets him into trouble. But Chip Kelly had a lot of respect for Poyer at Oregon State and he thinks he can coax better effort out of him. I'd take that chance late.

    Once certain guys were off the board, Poyer stood out to me as being available. I'd have targeted B.W. Webb and Kayvon Webster before Poyer but Kayvon came off too quick and Webb came off just before I wanted him.

    I believe in value picking. I believe need picking is a necessary evil at times but you have to mostly stick to value. So if you're going to criticize me that I entered a draft with needs at corner, defensive end, tackle, tight end, tailback, wide receiver, safety, defensive tackle and kicker, and that I didn't come out of this draft having properly addressed one or two of those positions, I'm going to turn that right back on you and criticize you for thinking I even should be able to address all that in one draft.
     
  38. dlockz

    dlockz Hall Of Famer

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    44,990
    Likes Received:
    331
    Trophy Points:
    83

    I think both players are plenty fast to play cb but Banks ran in shorts almost like Pat Surtain who turned out pretty good.
    Banks always seems to open hips early but I dont remember him getting beat deep all that much.
    I think he is faster than his timed speed.I personally think Taylor technique is not good at all, but he is fast and physical
     
  39. j-off-her-doll

    j-off-her-doll FinHeaven VIP Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 2009
    Messages:
    13,800
    Likes Received:
    558
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of Banks, Amerson, Taylor, and Poyer, Taylor is the only one I'd trust to play Man on the perimeter for any extended period. I think Amerson can do any of the things you'd ask Banks to do, and he's the better athlete with better ball skills.
     
  40. showstopper

    showstopper Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 2005
    Messages:
    492
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    18
    And I'm glad Ireland is the GM and not some of these guys on this site.
     

Share This Page