Who would you have taken with same picks?

[ckparrothead]

1. I like some of your picks...esp. late. Franklin is a steal. Washington is probably a workout warrior, but worth a look at 6.
2. I love the trade compared to what you took at 12. Lotulelei does not move me much. Richardson and Williams are going to make more of an impact. And both DT's who were still on the board.
3. Taylor is a much better selection than Kelce at 54. He was thought of higher in many people's mind and plays a more important position. Sims has similar grade to Kelce everywhere I looked and he was taken two rounds later.
4. Watson is an interesting project, but in the end a chancy decision to pencil him as a starter at OT. We would be looking for insurance anyways in the FA market
5. I cannot argue with JI's picks of Taylor and Sims because I was banging the keyboard on this site hoping they would take them.

Overall you have nice draft, but the Fins actual haul is very solid. No complaints.

Are you really trying to impress upon me that my preference of Travis Kelce over Jamar Taylor is null because you checked around for internet grades and found some people rating Dion Sims the same as Travis Kelce?

How long have you known me?

 

[FearTheBeard]

Are you really trying to impress upon me that my preference of Travis Kelce over Jamar Taylor is null because you checked around for internet grades and found some people rating Dion Sims the same as Travis Kelce?

How long have you known me?

I'm a little shocked at the non-emphasis you placed on the defensive backfield. Were you just happier with our DB then most, or just didn't see the value?

 

[ckparrothead]

I'm a little shocked at the non-emphasis you placed on the defensive backfield. Were you just happier with our DB then most, or just didn't see the value?

Just the value didn't play out that way, unfortunately. The whole draft could have gone a number of different directions. Had Star Lotulelei not fallen to 12 then I probably would've taken D.J. Hayden at that spot and at that point between he and Shamarko Thomas you end up saying "wow ck you got us some nice backfield options". Know what I mean? I just couldn't pass up on a Star Lotulelei for a D.J. Hayden even though I adore Hayden.

You can't fix EVERYTHING in one draft. If you'd have given me the full off season I feel comfortable I'd have come away with a lot of fixes but that's not what happened here...

 

[SJSharKFinFan]

For me it isn't about value, but players that I really must come away with for a draft. If this means reaching in the eyes of talking heads on tv, then so it be it. I would subscribe to Dimitroff's or Spielman's philosophy of trading away picks to securing the coveted players. Any player off the street can be depth, finding immediate return on players should be the goal of the draft. Hindsight makes it easy to see who was slotted where without having to worry if someone jumps you for a player.

Bolded are must players.

1 (12) - Shariff Floyd, DT
2 (42) - Robert Alford, CB
2 (54) - Vance McDonald, TE
3 (77) - Markus Wheaton, WR
3 (82) - Johnathan Franklin, RB
4 (104) - Lavar Edwards, DE
5 (146) - Terry Hawthorne, CB
5 (164) - Cornelius Washington, DE
5 (166) - Steve Beauharnais, LB
7 (224) - Marc Anthony, CB
7 (250) - Don Jones, S

UDFA Da'rick Rogers You can't teach talent, but you can gut check attitude, immaturity.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Just the value didn't play out that way, unfortunately. The whole draft could have gone a number of different directions. Had Star Lotulelei not fallen to 12 then I probably would've taken D.J. Hayden at that spot and at that point between he and Shamarko Thomas you end up saying "wow ck you got us some nice backfield options". Know what I mean? I just couldn't pass up on a Star Lotulelei for a D.J. Hayden even though I adore Hayden.

You can't fix EVERYTHING in one draft. If you'd have given me the full off season I feel comfortable I'd have come away with a lot of fixes but that's not what happened here...

Ya fair enough, if that's your evaluation of Star can't disagree with you and your philosophy. I would have to assume you aren't a Jamar Taylor fan then? My biggest thing entering this draft was stopping the high octane offenses with pass rush and players in the secondary, that why I wouldn't have been crazy about Star cause I think he's a little limited rushing the passer, and part of the reason I came away very pleased with our draft at the end of the day. I wanted 1 solid corner and one solid pass rusher, so the first 2 picks couldn't have played out much better in my eyes.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Are you really trying to impress upon me that my preference of Travis Kelce over Jamar Taylor is null because you checked around for internet grades and found some people rating Dion Sims the same as Travis Kelce?

How long have you known me?

I take a little offense that you say I just "checked" the web a little bit and came to a conclusion. For someone like me that has respected your takes in the past, it is too bad you cannot do the same in return....so be it.

I will never pretend to be a professional evaluator...newsflash...nobody is here on Finheaven...hence it is a fan site. However, I consider myself extremely informed. I have loved the draft since my childhood. I take in whatever I can whether it is TV programming, quality resources online like at CBS and Tony Pauline and watch college football all year with the draft in mind. From there, I formulate my takes. So when I say it is my assessment that I think Taylor and Sims are better prospects than Kelce, I say it from what I have developed and not a quick Google search.

 

[SMadison29]

So u are happy with our wr's , youth wise

No, certainly not. We only really have a need for a slot receiver with a little shake & quickness. Aside from Keenan Allen who we missed out on by one friggin pick, the one's that fit that bill (Stedman Bailey, Josh Boyce, & Ace Sanders) were over drafted.

 

[ckparrothead]

I take a little offense that you say I just "checked" the web a little bit and came to a conclusion. For someone like me that has respected your takes in the past, it is too bad you cannot do the same in return....so be it.

I will never pretend to be a professional evaluator...newsflash...nobody is here on Finheaven...hence it is a fan site. However, I consider myself extremely informed. I have loved the draft since my childhood. I take in whatever I can whether it is TV programming, quality resources online like at CBS and Tony Pauline and watch college football all year with the draft in mind. From there, I formulate my takes. So when I say it is my assessment that I think Taylor and Sims are better prospects than Kelce, I say it from what I have developed and not a quick Google search.

Don't take offense. This is quite literally exactly what you wrote:

3. Taylor is a much better selection than Kelce at 54. He was thought of higher in many people's mind and plays a more important position. Sims has similar grade to Kelce everywhere I looked and he was taken two rounds later.

You're going to get your feathers ruffled because I took your exact meaning exactly the way you said it?

I'm just saying, I don't know how you can sit here and try and convince me I made bad picks based on internet grades you found of guys. I'm not saying YOUR opinion is wrong. But you didn't even really state your own opinion. You brought up others' opinions. I'd have preferred your own.

 

[Surferosa]

This is fun. Im still of the opinion that we needed to select one more WR early in the draft to give Tannehill the requisite weapons to make our offense truly explosive (i.e. the Matt Ryan Strategy). That said, if I had to draft at three, I probably wouldve selected Jordan as well given his unique skillset and high ceiling. Jamar Taylor at #2 was tremendous value. Dont think anyone wouldve done the Davis trade up as it robbed us of all the mid-round value this draft possessed. Im also not of the opinion that we needed three DB's in this draft (especially once we nabbed Taylor at 54).

1-Dion Jordan-DE/OLB - Agree. A bona-fide difference maker. A very non-Dolphin pick!
2-Jamar Taylor-CB - Agree. Tremendous value. Wouldve liked a WR here but Hunter didnt drop. Probably our best value pick if fully healthy.
3-Khaseem Greene-LB - Heres where the trouble began. There was no need to make a need pick for a Tackle in round three if were just going to sign 1-2 OT's in FA anyway. Couldve waited until round four to take a Dallas Thomas type which frees you up to take BPA in round 3. Surprised Khaseem Greene dropped this far. Wouldve taken him here without batting an eye. Playmaking 4-3 LB who creates turnovers.
4-Earl Watford/Dallas Thomas - If Thomas falls to round 4, hes your pick here. If not, then Watford gives you depth at OG. We punt on OT's in the draft and call Winston/Clabo/etc in the morning.
4-Quinton Patten -WR - Wouldve loved to pick a WR earler but there was better talent on the board in the other rounds. Patten is good value here and the last player of his calibre in this tier IMO
4-Marcus Lattimore- RB - Luxury selection with 10 picks. Shelve him for the year and plan for him to pair with Lamar Miller in 2014.
5-Cornelius Washington- DE - Another luxury selection. Thought hed go earlier.
5-Michael Williams -TE - Blocking TE with no Dion Sims in the fold.
5-Dustin Hopkins -K - Dont regret taking a PK with our supplementary pick in round five. Basically a sixth rounder
7-Darick Rogers -WR - In the seventh round, hes worth a chance.
7-Don Jones -DB - Agree with Ireland. Get your second DB here

Summary:

* Three day one starters on defense - DE Jordan, LB, Greene, DB Taylor.
* Two WR's with upside - Patten and Darick
* Three Specialists - Washington (Pass rusher), M. Williams (blocking TE) and Hopkins (PK)
* Two depth players at positions of need - Watford (OL) and Jones (DB/S)

:highfive:

 

[Valandui]

I wouldn't have traded up unless it was for Dee Milliner. Otherwise....


1 (12) - Tyler Eifert

2 (42) - Corey Lemonier

2 (54) - Stedman Bailey

3 (77) - Hugh Thornton

3 (82) - Zaviar Gooden

4 (104) - Shamarko Thomas

5 (146) - Terry Hawthorne

5 (164) - Ryan Swope

5 (166) - Cornelius Washington

7 (224) - Eric Herman

7 (250) - Don Jones




Priority UDFA's - Javone Lawson, Bennie Cunningham, Jake Stoneburner, Alvin Bailey, Jordan Rodgers, Jeff Nady, Zach Sudfeld

This draft would have been sweet.

 

[dlockz]

No, certainly not. We only really have a need for a slot receiver with a little shake & quickness. Aside from Keenan Allen who we missed out on by one friggin pick, the one's that fit that bill (Stedman Bailey, Josh Boyce, & Ace Sanders) were over drafted.

How was Steadman bailey overdrafted . I think he was underdrafted.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I did this mentally in real time, but only at Miami's initial spots, and only until early 4th round. After that I started watching the PGA golf, and I really wasn't fully informed on the late picks anyway. I would have been making some informed picks, some stabs, and some stumped.

12) I would have been disappointed but not surprised that Tavon Austin was gone. The league had to wise up at some point. I considered Richardson since I viewed him as a true disruptor and more talented than the two high profile defensive tackles. Those comments prior to the Georgia game bothered me. In the end I decided the best combo of sensible and safe was Tyler Eifert

42) Arthur Brown. Not a need but a dependable player. I'm convinced he's better than the two guys we signed in free agency, and would prove that in a hurry. Besides, I'm a sucker for guys who were extremely highly rated coming out of high school

54) Armstead. Not difficult at all. Athletes of that caliber are worth the risk. I wasn't going to chance 77, even if this seemed a bit too high. Plus I knew it would spark debate over Armstead vs. Albert, who could have been had for this pick

77) Toughest pick by far. I was back and forth, upset that Keenan Allen was nabbed one pick earlier. He's slow but I did see the Reggie Wayne comparison, which I thought of long before others started using it. Wanted a defensive back but nobody thrilled me. I ended up with Steadman Bailey

82) Matt Barkley. Go ahead and scoff. It had become ridiculous at this point. Not as if we're dominant at backup quarterback, or Tannehill couldn't use a push

Early 4th round) I don't remember the pick number but this was the ultimate no-brainer: Brian Schwenke. I mentioned in the Saturday night thread that he stood out to me among the guys still available. With Schwenke and Armstead on the front line we're considerably fortified there, even if I ignored cornerback.

 

[Dogbone34]

I would have stayed at 12 and taken Tyler Eifert.

I can't knock the move up. I like Jordan. Miami needs him to hit it hard and now.

The upside is good with him but there are concerns. I had zero concerns with Eifert.

 

[dlockz]

I did this mentally in real time, but only at Miami's initial spots, and only until early 4th round. After that I started watching the PGA golf, and I really wasn't fully informed on the late picks anyway. I would have been making some informed picks, some stabs, and some stumped.

12) I would have been disappointed but not surprised that Tavon Austin was gone. The league had to wise up at some point. I considered Richardson since I viewed him as a true disruptor and more talented than the two high profile defensive tackles. Those comments prior to the Georgia game bothered me. In the end I decided the best combo of sensible and safe was Tyler Eifert

42) Arthur Brown. Not a need but a dependable player. I'm convinced he's better than the two guys we signed in free agency, and would prove that in a hurry. Besides, I'm a sucker for guys who were extremely highly rated coming out of high school

54) Armstead. Not difficult at all. Athletes of that caliber are worth the risk. I wasn't going to chance 77, even if this seemed a bit too high. Plus I knew it would spark debate over Armstead vs. Albert, who could have been had for this pick

77) Toughest pick by far. I was back and forth, upset that Keenan Allen was nabbed one pick earlier. He's slow but I did see the Reggie Wayne comparison, which I thought of long before others started using it. Wanted a defensive back but nobody thrilled me. I ended up with Steadman Bailey

82) Matt Barkley. Go ahead and scoff. It had become ridiculous at this point. Not as if we're dominant at backup quarterback, or Tannehill couldn't use a push

Early 4th round) I don't remember the pick number but this was the ultimate no-brainer: Brian Schwenke. I mentioned in the Saturday night thread that he stood out to me among the guys still available. With Schwenke and Armstead on the front line we're considerably fortified there, even if I ignored cornerback.

Matt Barkley in 4th was good value. Never again should any prospect stay in school if they can drafted high

 

[normaniii]

I did this mentally in real time, but only at Miami's initial spots, and only until early 4th round. After that I started watching the PGA golf, and I really wasn't fully informed on the late picks anyway. I would have been making some informed picks, some stabs, and some stumped.

12) I would have been disappointed but not surprised that Tavon Austin was gone. The league had to wise up at some point. I considered Richardson since I viewed him as a true disruptor and more talented than the two high profile defensive tackles. Those comments prior to the Georgia game bothered me. In the end I decided the best combo of sensible and safe was Tyler Eifert

42) Arthur Brown. Not a need but a dependable player. I'm convinced he's better than the two guys we signed in free agency, and would prove that in a hurry. Besides, I'm a sucker for guys who were extremely highly rated coming out of high school

54) Armstead. Not difficult at all. Athletes of that caliber are worth the risk. I wasn't going to chance 77, even if this seemed a bit too high. Plus I knew it would spark debate over Armstead vs. Albert, who could have been had for this pick

77) Toughest pick by far. I was back and forth, upset that Keenan Allen was nabbed one pick earlier. He's slow but I did see the Reggie Wayne comparison, which I thought of long before others started using it. Wanted a defensive back but nobody thrilled me. I ended up with Steadman Bailey

82) Matt Barkley. Go ahead and scoff. It had become ridiculous at this point. Not as if we're dominant at backup quarterback, or Tannehill couldn't use a push

Early 4th round) I don't remember the pick number but this was the ultimate no-brainer: Brian Schwenke. I mentioned in the Saturday night thread that he stood out to me among the guys still available. With Schwenke and Armstead on the front line we're considerably fortified there, even if I ignored cornerback.

I have no issue with Barkley. I even think its smart move cap wise. QBs are massively overpaid, so if u can get a couple of good ones in draft, you can really load up on rest of roster.