Why does the Running Game Suck?

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  1. ANUFan

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    I'm sure the answer to this question is likely to be both. But, lets try and just pick one of the choices here

    Our running game has suffered and has practically been non-exsistent because:


    1) We simply lack the personnel(Running Backs, Offensive lineman) to make it work
    2) We simply lack the conviction (By implementing multiple formations, Attempts per game etc) to make it work



    I'm personally of the opinion our lack of a running game is a product of #2 moreso than option #1. While, I'm not saying we have the best pieces in place to be a top running team, I do however think we have more than enough to be a decent running team. IMO the #1 problem is How/Formation-wise we chose to run.

    I'm sure no-one here would argue that most of our run attempts comes out of that GOD_AWFUL shotgun formation with the back lined-up to either side of the QB. The X's and O's members can weigh-in on this observation. But, with my eyes it seems like this is one of THE WORST ways to try and run the ball when you have:

    1) A less than Ideal O-Line
    2) A less than Ideal RB

    That type of run-formation seems to indicate your Olinemen need to be able to block particularly well or there is going to be serious penetration in the field with no one there to pick it up(Fullback). Secondly, from what I can tell it requires a RB that must have good vision and a feel for line-blocking and must able to break tackles and make people miss at times.

    A final observation we seem to limit our running lanes if you wish when we run out of that formation. For example 99% of the time if L.Miller lines up on the right of Tannehill he's either going up the middle or to the left and vice-versa if he on the right. Basically, telling the defense which way we're very likely to run and cutting a portion of the field off like a bootleg play I suppose.



    This brings me to my final point. Why don't we run out of more formations? I've noticed when we have ran out of I-Formation we easily averaged 4,5,6 yards on the first attempt( See the Bengals Game). I can only imagine if we actually tried to be consistent in the running game what it would do for Play-Action later on.

    Lets be honest we Suck at the running the ball more because of us than what the opponent has done to our running game.

    Frustrating...
     
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    I think it's def mostly number 1......but 2 doesn't help much.
     
  3. Shouright

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    The running game doesn't suck, and no one here can or will support any other perspective than that with relevant, objective information.
     
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    It does when the other team expects us to run. 3rd and short situations come to mind, the safety where Thomas was hit in the middle of the end zone by an untouched defender... a lot of it is stupid playcalling though. Why in hell is Sherman always trying to run to the perimeter on 3rd and short situations...? A stretch play when you're at your own 2 yard line...really? WTF?
     
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    It's a combination of poor personnel and a fundamental lack of commitment to running the ball. This regime has made a conscious effort to build a team that resembles a Ferrari instead of a 1 ton diesel Ford duelly pickup. Problem is, the Ferrari has been in the garage more than the open road.
     
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    Complete lack of commitment to it...
    ..and that is on Philbin. Sherman has actually said that he wants to run the football more. Has Philbin? if so, i have never heard of it. Philbin is the problem;Sherman is the scapegoat of this offense.
     
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    This is the point I'm trying to stress though I understand the poor word choice Shouright is pointing out. Ultimately my point is we as a team don't show conviction towards the run. Ironically, the only game this year were emphasized the run, in this case the Bengals game, is when did fairly well. Not only was our attempts up but our formation selection featured a lot more variety too.
     
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    Which is the most perplexing thing I've ever seen! You know

    1) You have O-Line problems
    2) A very inexperience Qb

    and yet you want to throw the ball like you're the Patriots, Broncos, Saints and the likes?
     
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    I don't think it goes any further than the choices the offensive coordinator is making.

    And actually there has been more than just the Bengals game in which the team emphasized the run, and in terms of success, they've actually averaged 4.8 yards per carry or better in 6 of the 11 games this year. In 5 of those 6 games they averaged better than 5 yards per carry, and in 2 of the 6 they averaged better than 6 yards per carry.
     
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    So why are we almost dead last in Rushing Attempts per Game and Ironically, the teams near the top of the list for the most part have the better record?
    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/rushing-attempts-per-game
     
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    It's truly simple and you basically answered it yourself.

    Who calls the plays? There's your answer.

    Shouright only said they "emphasized" the run game, in this instance the term is relative. Say I'm a coach and my team only attempts 10 rushes the entire game... Now that may seem minuscule but what if my team usually averages only 5 rushes a game? Then that 10 rush attempt game seems like I emphasized the run, doesn't it?
     
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    The Fins have a running game? Oh yeah, I forgot about Tannehill..
     
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    We're not particularly outstanding at anything on offense. That's the way defenses see us. We don't have a perfectly timed short-passing game which is hard to defend, we're not good at screens, we don't have any superstar TE's, we don't have a bulldozing, tackle-breaking running back, we don't strike fear with the deep ball. What we are, are an average offense, with an inexperienced QB. The easiest way to stop us would be just to shut down the run game. So teams are doing that.

    I don't know if not carrying a FB on the roster is hurting us, or what. But it's definitely worse than last year. The changes from last year I suppose are Jake Long being gone, Reggie Bush, Anthony Fasano, Javorskie Lane. That has to factor in someplace, because there are too many other constants.

    This is the second year, and before you know it it will be over. We can't go into a third year with this lack of a running game, especially short yardage and red zone. It's the coaches job to make a plan, implement it, and get it done.
     
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    Why does the running game suck? Because Philbin brought in an offense that minimizes the importance of a good running game. If the staff considers the running game an afterthought, then they won't spend many resources in trying to improve it. Philbin didn't bother to improve the o-line either, because he expects the ball to be out of Tannehill's hand so quick that even a below average o-line should be able to hold their blocks long enough for the pass to be thrown. This makes sense "in theory", but we all see how his offense is actually performing on the field. Defenses know that Philbin's offense is based on short timing routes and when he does run, it isn't pretty. All a defense has to do is bring most of the guys up near the line of scrimmage and they'll be in position to both stop any run and tackle the receiver after a short pass. And, if the offense runs a blocking scheme that the line can't execute very well, then the defense will end up in the backfield on a lot of plays.

    Want to improve the running game AND the passing game? Get rid of Philbin and his West Coast style of offense!
     
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    HoneyB mentioned 4 guys that we got rid of: Bush, Lane, Fasano,Long. 4 of the toughest guys from last years team. Take Bush out of the equation and you have 3 of the most physical players from last years team. Dumping Bush looks pretty stupid right now. He was a force of good for the team, a leader and an excellent practice player. He also was a playmaker that that defenses had to account for. Lane and Fasano were great blockers and were not replaced in the offense. Long was better than what we tried to replace him with by far. Similar to when we moved Marshall to the Bears and didn't bring in a great reciever to fill the void. Again, let's just put the blame where it belongs: Ireland
     
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    Simple question. Even with everything you've mention could this team RIGHT NOW, Easily be 7-4,8-3,9-2? If they had better coaching, scheming, play-calling?
     
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    Yes
     
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    When people invoke the name of J.Ireland in regards to our current record. They are essentially saying this Coaching staff is so inept that they need to be given a damn near perfect team to have a reasonable chance.

    How much of those teams are around?
    Seattle?
    NE?
    Denver?
    Bengals?
    Colts?
    49ers?

    Lets switch places. Give us the coaching staff from any of the teams listed above and we give them our "staff"
    Are the records the same?
    Who would benefit more those teams with our coaching staff? Or our team with their coaching staff?
     
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    Ireland. and Sherman.
     
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    I'm floored that anyone can watch this team and conclude that we can run the ball just fine.
     
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    we run to many sweeps and misdirection plays and not enough power plays, plain and simple.
     
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    Are running backs lack power and frankly vision. To many run plays are stopped at line or for loss where just a little vision and side step gets into the hole for a gain.
     
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    Watching Bush today with the lions, seeing him hit the holes and not dancing in the backfield makes me wanna punch the Dolphins FO in the nose so hard.....

    Should've ponied up the dollars and resigned Reggie.
     
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    Good point. But, clearly you're missing and I don't know how? All those running lanes his Oline is creating. Also, lets not forget statistically the Packers have one of the worst running defenses in the league.
     
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    True he's got a great oline to run behind, he's also not dancing in the backfield like he was when he was here. Still also has fumbling issues. Still think he's better than what the Phins have on the roster right now though.
     
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    Worst decision of the offseason letting Bush go.
    He is everything that Miller is not.

    Miller only has 1000 yards to go to reach Pouncey's drug induced prediction
     
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    Coming into the season, I thought we had two G- VG run blockers in Pouncey and Clabo with Cog being pretty good, about half as good as before the ZBS. This should have been enough for at least a decent run game. Then, Clabo turns out to be a disaster, and there were two. Hard to be consistent in running just middle left. Then we lose Cog, down to one, followed by Pouncey. And then there were none. No one else on the OL is any good at run blocking, the TE's are worse, and we have no FB.

    The RB's are not causing many missed tackles, miss spots, and have been slow in hitting the line. They need holes, which have been very few and far between.

    I can't blame Sherman here with what he has to work with, and Philbin wants to pass more than we are doing.
     

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