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Why is DE such a priority...

I'd rather get a guard in the third round
 
because to beat Brady, you have to beat Brady.

I rarely see the Pats/Brady get beaten with pressure from the outside. He gets the ball out to quick.
 
Well the strength of this draft is on the defense from most points of view so the best player available should be on the defensive side of the ball. If you disagree with that you get back to value over talent and how high that projected value will go in the draft. Thats why kickers, punters and fullbacks usually go further back in the draft and quarterbacks go higher. Lamp to go in the first round as a guard basically means he needs to be a special athlete to justify the pick at 22.
 
I'd rather get a guard in the third round

Because we've done so well in the past with Gs with a 3rd/4th round grade...right?

Or is it because everyone else is doing it...so should we?
 
It's just that you don't want to get stuck without talent at such an important position. Plus, the draft has an uncharacteristically high number of edge rushers so why not go shopping down that aisle so to speak?

It's a little bit like when Dan Marino got older and the Dolphins kept passing up quarterbacks and thinking only short-term. Then all of a sudden they had nothing at the position for a long-time. Cam Wake can't play forever. Branch is just okay and Harris is a one year stop-gap. You've got to think two, three years down the road.

Yep you nailed unless it's just about protecting Ryan Tannehill
 
This question has been asked and answered a million freaking times. Wake is 35. Hayes leaves after this season and Branch is nothing but average....4 or 5 sacks a year is what you can expect from him and the other two guys are ST players. We need a dynamic pass rushing DE big time

Ozzy rules!!

Wake is 35...he had a great year...he was 34. He has another year...Hayes, signed on for another year. Branch, Gase threw a bucket of money at him to sit him on the bench?

DE is not a priority. On the defensive side, I would rank the secondary higher on my "To Do" list because they almost have nobody impactful...besides Jones.

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Yep you nailed unless it's just about protecting Ryan Tannehill

In terms of success for the Phins...how far up the ladder would you rate this?
 
1. Pass rush is the staple of this defense and we have a one single, aging DE on his last legs who is capable of providing pressure on demand that is on a limited snap count of around 50%. The rest of our pass rushers are pretenders.

2. This is one of the best defensive drafts in years; take advantage of it.

3. Am I being punked?
 
1. Pass rush is the staple of this defense and we have a one single, aging DE on his last legs who is capable of providing pressure on demand that is on a limited snap count of around 50%. The rest of our pass rushers are pretenders.

2. This is one of the best defensive drafts in years; take advantage of it.

3. Am I being punked?

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Wake is 35...he had a great year...he was 34. He has another year...Hayes, signed on for another year. Branch, Gase threw a bucket of money at him to sit him on the bench?

DE is not a priority. On the defensive side, I would rank the secondary higher on my "To Do" list because they almost have nobody impactful...besides Jones.

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In terms of success for the Phins...how far up the ladder would you rate this?

You can't draft a guy at 22 only based on how many snaps he will get his first year. You're getting a guy for at least 5 years. Yes Wake had a good year but he had been hurt the two years before that so we were lucky he played every game. What are the chances that happens again with him? I don't care how much money Branch got, he's still just average and Hayes is leaving after oue year

Ozzy rules!!
 
The truth is DT is a bigger need than DE. But I'd be fine taking a DE like Harris in the first.
 
The truth is DT is a bigger need than DE. But I'd be fine taking a DE like Harris in the first.

(Un)fortunately, Caleb Brantley reportedly knocked a woman out...is he there at 54?
 
1. Pass rush is the staple of this defense and we have a one single, aging DE on his last legs who is capable of providing pressure on demand that is on a limited snap count of around 50%. The rest of our pass rushers are pretenders.

He plays passing situations and Hayes plays run situations.

2. This is one of the best defensive drafts in years; take advantage of it.

Hmmm...so it is.


3. Am I being punked?

Depends on how far the gap is between Willis (phan favorite) and the next DE.

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He'll probably be there at 154.

Maybe...maybe not.

Mixon might be gone in the 2nd round.
 
He plays passing situations and Hayes plays run situations.

Sounds ideal but it doesn't play out as intended the majority of the time. If I'm running any type of no-huddle and using a versatile personnel set, such as 11, I'm not going to let you get Hayes off the field on a critical 3rd and med/long. Or when I convert that 3rd and med/long, I'm going right back to my run game in the direction towards the pass specialist on 1st down. Situational defensive players are a neat concept but can be too easily negated by a smart OC.
 
If the draft was just about 2017 we wouldn't need help at DE. But the draft is about the long haul. We don't have long term pass rush talent on the roster right now. And it is more difficult and expensive to find talented pass rushers than probably any other position other than QB. Add that to a draft that is very deep with talented players with tools to get to the QB, and that's why there is so much smoke about it.
 
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