Why is everyone caught up in Ryan Swope?

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  1. mbhcu98

    mbhcu98 Well-Known Member

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    He isn't the WR for us. He is basically Hartline with a 4.3 40 and 2 inches shorter. We need a red zone threat with some speed. Swope is not that and he isn't the game changer Tavon Austin is at the slot. Swope won't bring anything we don't already have in Bess and Gibson. We already know those 2 can get it done in the NFL. We have no clue what Swope will do and he doesn't give us what we need. I know it feels good for certain people to see a white guy run a 4.3 but, he doesn't give us what we need. The only way I see him on our team is if we remake our WRs AGAIN and trade Bess and Gibson. Even if we do pick up Swope, we still need that 6'4", red zone threat. Swope isn't him.
     
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    swope would bring more speed and play making ability right away. we cant say that about any of our wrs except wallace
     
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    They all think because he played with Tannehill that somehow that will give them some magical connection that will make him great...

    That being said...he does have 4.3 speed as you said...that alone makes him worth looking at. But you are right that he isn't what we need. We need a big red-zone threat...but that can be a TE also.
     
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    Re: Why is eberyone caught up in Ryan Swope?

    yes Hartline and Swope are white...well spotted. Pity as players they are nothing alike.

    Garbage comparison based on racial stereotypes Im not even going to bother reading the rest of your post.
     
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    I like how he plays but I'd be lying if i said i wasn't a little concerned about the 4 concussions he had in college.
     
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    Swope just doesn't seem to play as fast as his 40 speed when I watch him. I wouldn't mind having him as he's a good player (along with Eifert being the first pick), but I think I'd rather go with Austin as our first pick and then Kelce as the TE.
     
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    This
     
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    People became far more enamored with him after he blazed the 4.3 40. But when I watch him play he doesn't play as fast as his 40 time would lead me to believe. Yes, he's a resourceful, dependable, smart receiver, but the pads definitely slow him down. I sort of see another Hartline...not in terms of playing style, but in terms of what he ends up bringing to the team - a smart receiver and good route runner, but nothing special physically. No threatening speed (with pads) nor red-zone ability...but a guy that can gash you here and there when you don't pay enough attention to him.

    I know there's a lot of Swope love here so I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one.
     
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    I still see 10 receivers drafted before Swope.

    Austin, Patterson, Allen, Hunter, Woods, Hopkins Patton, Bailey, Williams and Wheaton.
     
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    because he's was Tannys favorite target in college, he smart and a good kid. I would love to pick him with one of our 3rds...
     
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    because he is a great football player.... Comparing him to Hartline is asinine considering the only comparison is they are both white receivers. Swope has great speed and is very good after the catch
     
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    Swope is a really good player. When he had a QB that actually threw the ball, he played lights out. Last year his number wasn't called as much. The kid is smart and plays very well in the slot. He's a bigger, faster version of Wes Welker. The only knock on him is the concussions. Otherwise, he's a perfect fit for several reasons.
     
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    My biggest concern with Swope is his history of concussions!

    I'd rather draft Bailey or one of several other WRs.
     
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    I'll take Swope...but will Ireland and the Boys take Swope. If they do, your observations are incorrect. It's that simple.
     
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    Get set to welcome Swope to Miami. Mike Sherman loves him.
     
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    Seriously? So, a guy who runs faster than Randall Cobb, jumps higher than Randall Cobb, tests quicker laterally in the 3-cone and the shuttle than Randall Cobb, is taller and heavier than Randall Cobb and you want to call him Brian Hartline? Hartline runs a 4.52, Mike Wallace runs a 4.32, and Ryan Swope ran a 4.34 ... hmmmm. Hartline is 6'2, Wallace is 6'0, and Swope is 6'0 ... hmmm. If you're going to blindly compare Swope to someone without any merit ... you might as well compare him to Mike Wallace. The reality is that Ryan Swope isn't Welker, he isn't Hartline, and he isn't Mike Wallace. If Danny Amendola could stay healthy a full season, Swope would be a bigger, faster, better version of him perhaps, but really, Swope doesn't profile to any of these white receivers so many nay-sayers want to project him to be. The guys with his athletic ability are very rare.

    Swope produced phenomenally in Sherman's offense catching passes from Tannehill. It's a no-brainer that we'd want him.
     
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    If we are talking taking a late rounder at WR I would rather have Da'Rick Rogers. First round talent with some troubles, but worth the risk in the 3rd.
     
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    Wes Welker 2. He fits the philbin mold of slot WR and played 19 games with Tannehill in same offense and made big plays.

    Philbin is looking for big plays.
     
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    He has speed that Bess doesn't. He has an existing relationship with Tannehill and already knows the base offense. Bess and Gibson are only under contract through this season and can walk next season. The pick makes sense on several levels.
     
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    Why anyone wants a concussion prone slot receiver on the team is beyond me.

    I hear everyone saying Tavon Austin will not be able to stay healthy yet he never missed a practice. Swope gets hurt all the time in college and everyone wants to draft this guy. I don't get it.
     
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    I think when you look at the tape of Tannehill it is obvious there was some chemistry there with Swope. Not saying he can't have it with other receivers. But it was noticeable on tape.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I love Swope as a player. My only concern is the history of concussions. My fear is the hits and potential for more at the NFL level could present a problem for him.
     
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    This draft has a myriad of wr's with some nice potential. Please pass on this guy and go after one of the wr's that can help us in the redzone.
    Tannehill needs at least one big target imho.
    I guess it just comes down to that I like a whole lot of other wr's coming out better than Swope.
     
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    If we can get him in the late 3rd or 4th, ok, but I think theres bigger fish to fry in the 1st and 2nd than this guy.
     
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    I don't buy that he is slower in pads than other people who ran comparable 40 times. The guy is 200 pounds, the pads aren't going to slow him down any more than they would slow anyone else that weight down.

    I think the real problem is that the difference between a 4.3 and a 4.5 isn't that apparent to the blind eye , and that people have strong expectations that a white wide receiver will be relatively slow and unathletic. Numbers don't lie, Ryan Swope has elite athleticism and for that reason shouldn't be compared to Hartline (whose athleticism is a bit underrated) or Bess.

    If he'll be any good, I have no idea. Its a little bit unsettling that he wasn't able to stand out athletically amongst the available WRs with the physical tools he has, but I like that he has chemistry with Tanne.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
     
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    Uh....what round would he go...5th?7th?
     
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    Yup
     
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    I like him because he's a more built Bess, great speed, and is like a Welker2.0. Great connection with Tannehill. Get him
     
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    Yeah I agree, people tend to see white and they automatically assume he can't be the fastest guy on the field. I've watched a lot of A&M games and I've seen him dust a lot of defenders. I knew he was fast but I'll be honest the 4.3 did surprise me.

    The difference with him is that he's bigger than the type of player that typically runs a 4.3.. He's about 2 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Austin. So he doesn't have that lateral quickness, shiftiness, fluidity, and super quick change of direction. I think with an NFL caliber training and nutrition program he could work on his agility and cuts and that would make him seem a lot faster. His agility is what is really holding him back from becoming an elite speed guy. This kid has the work ethic and the passion for football to never stop improving. Based on that extremely productive season he had with our current QB I'd be doing backflips if we get him in the third.

    I hate how every draft website compares him to someone white. Brandon Stokely, Wes Welker, now Hartline. He's much different than those guys and it's extremely lazy comparisons.
     
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    This is why people are saying he doesn't play as fast as he timed. People was looking at him being more of a 4.5 player. When he ran the 4.3 people had to go back and look at his tape to see if there was something they missed.
     
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    I also stated we get what Swope has in Bess and Gibson. Comprehend. Stop picking the piece you want to hear and comprehend.
    Their isn't much difference in Swope and Hartline besides Swopes 4.3 speed. Both run good routes, both have good hands, both are good locker room guys, neither will scare anyone on the outside of the field, both seem tough. The differences between Swope and hartline are simply a few mili-seconds in the 40 and Hartlines' 2 inches. Now, I explained why I feel they are similar. Will you explain why you don't think so. That's a more effective way to TRY and prove your point instead of bringing race into it. If you disagree with my comparision, say so and refute it. You have done none.
     
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    Gibson isnt even a slot receiver either, so again im going to leave this post at the first sentence as well. Defend your lazy racial stereotypes all your like, its still bull**** to compare Swope to a player he is nothing like in Hartline.
     
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    I'd take him in the 3rd if he makes it that far.
     
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    Another way Swope and Hartline are similar is this..... neither gives us what we need in a WR. A tall, fast WR that can go up for the ball and be a red zone threat. We can get that in a TE also but, we should have that option at both positions. We don't want to tip our hands down in the red zone.
     
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    More speed, yac, and td potential than our current slot receivers. Concussions are a concern. Seems like a playmaker which everyone agrees we need more of. Hartline comparisons seem racist which OP is still trying to defend despite being way out on a limb.
     
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    go find the swope thread with the excellent highlights. he is for real. he knows our offense. he is fast,its proven, regardless of what some dope says about their perception of not being fast, which is a stupid concept because you need to be a football player first. all the speed in the world doesnt mean jack unless you can do some damage while taking a hit. and you will get hit.

    swope has no learning curve in our offense. none. which is why tannehill was a ahead of schedule.

    We get Swope and Eifert, I am heading to south florida for a game.
     
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    Swope would be great in this offense but he is a handful of concussions away from being out of football for good..
     
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    People make way too big a deal about the whole racial comparison thing....it's got a place, but all and all white guys tend to play a lot like other white guys...we don't have to be blindly politically correct to see that. Now the Hartline comparison is pretty mediocre, but no need to make it out as some racial attack. People can be some damn sensitive.

    Now to address the actual thread topic, I actually agree with the OP. Guys like Andrew Hawkins can be found in the later rounds and frankly slot receivers aren't something that should be drafted in the top 3 rounds unless they're extreme speed mismatches (like a Tavon). To say that Tavon and Swope are both 4.3 guys on the field is entirely wrong, I turn on the tape and see a high 4.4, low 4.5 guy and in the slot I worry about how much potential he has. There's at least 10 guys I'd take at wide receiver over him in this draft, and we desperately need SIZE. We have no redzone weapons which is our biggest weakness on offense (aside from the o-line). If I'm taking a slot guy in that 3 range gimme Bailey. If someone other than Tannehill had been throwing Swope the ball we wouldn't be having this conversation with such consensus. Tannehill's great at creating chemistry with guys, see him and Hartline.
     
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    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought Swope was expected to be approx a 4th round pick? This thread makes it sound like the Dolphins/teams are seriously considering him as a 1st round pick.

    Relax.
     
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    4 concussions in college?

    Pass.
     
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    If Bess ran a 4.3 instead of a 6.3..this wouldn't be a issue.
     
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