Why not do a Jimmy Johnson draft this year.

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  1. allsilverdreams

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    Simple question.Why not do a Jimmy Johnson draft this year.trade down as many times as you can and build through the draft.we have way to many problems and we need more players than we have picks.
    Back off the FA this year.
    Build Build Build through the draft after we fire the clown in charge of the last few drafts.
     
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    Because we have an idiot in charge who will rather draft up and waste the pick. I'm not even trying to be sensationalist here, but Tannenbaum is all about the splashy move in my opinion.
     
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    Because we don't have a Hershel Walker and we would not find a stupid trading partner like the Vikings. You are talking about a team who missed it's picks in drafts because of taking too much time.

    We are probably the Vikings on the end of any of those trades or pull a Ditka deal (Ricky Williams).
     
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  4. artdnj

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    And we dont recognize talent so 1 or 20 picks would probably equal 1 or 20 scout team players.
     
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    He built the Dolphins the same way, we didn't have a Hershel Walker then.
     
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    I been asking this questions for eons, why is Jimmy so good at trading down and picking up talent? Can't Gase do the same thing?
     
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    If Ross had half a brain he would throw Tannenbaum out the damn door and Grier right along with him. Bring some people in who know what the hell they're doing.
     
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    He built what with the Dolphins? He was cap strapped from the last Shula year throughout his tenure. He was never able to transform the offense to what he wanted it to be.
    I am all for trading down. We have to many holes to fill. But to do make a significant trade for picks you either have to have the picks or the players to trade. And you have to have the willing trading partners.

    You also have to consider that we have only 40 players under contract for next year.
     
  9. SF Dolphin Fan

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    It can be a winning philosophy. Jimmy Johnson had success with that as well as some misses --- trading out of round one and missing out on Randy Moss comes to mind.

    Miami is trending toward a top 10 pick so it's possible they could have an elite prospect, maybe a true shutdown corner or a difference maker on the defensive line. I think it just depends who is there and what you can get with a trade down.
     
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    I have been hoping for a long time we would do this also but you need a great horse trader to get it done. The Pats have done very well and I believe Bill B learned some of his moves from JJ
     
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    IMO we need stars to compliment our current players. The jj method is great if you’re completely rebuilding. We already didn’t trade Landry. Can’t trade suh. You want trade tannehill for a 2nd?
     
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    Sure is working for the Browns.
     
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    The browns results aren’t there yet, but they have some pieces and a boat load of picks coming up.
     
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    And the biggest piece is the one they didn't trade away from.

    People call for trading down every year (though usually not this early). I honestly believe it has more to do with hearing the Phins pick on draft days and the false belief that you can land equally good talent in any round. Trade downs are fine the day of when they are purposeful and you see that your draft grades don't fall much in the moment. And when you don't have Tbum making the picks.
     
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    Smh I just don’t get the tannenbaum hate on this site. Its beyond delusional
     
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    Our front office can't scout or draft effectively so I doubt it matters how many picks we have
     
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    I think it stems from the fact that he's a ****ty GM who hands out ****ty contracts to cast off veterans while drafting a barrel full of mediocrity (at best), but I can't speak for everybody on the site.
     
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    They don't have anything. That whole organization is trash from top to bottom; they have a Myles Garrett and a dumpster fire. Selling your fans on "picks and money" only last one offseason, they're about to be on year 3.
     
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    If I'm building a team from the ground up I'll take the Browns
    situation next season with 7 picks in the top 100 and another
    6 more picks plus the $100 million + in cap space
     
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    The Browns have missed on a lot of picks, but Ogbah is perhaps the most underrated DE in the NFL; Njoku will be a stud; Peppers will be a stud if they stop playing him at FS; and, C. Coleman will be a stud if he can stay healthy/play with a decent QB.

    They need more help at the 2nd and 3rd levels on D, and they need more help at WR and (potentially) OL and RB. But, they really need Kizer to step up, or they need to find a new QB. Could have had Garrett and Watson, and that has to sting.
     
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    Could of had Carson Wentz too the year before. Talking about "chips" and "pieces" is usually an indication youre spinning your wheels. Ireland wasted two seasons gathering acorns and picks to set up his giant 2013 offseason and we have nothing to show for it. It should take 2 offseasons to build a competitive team even in the most dire scenarios with identifiable improvement along the way. The Browns are an absolute dumpster fire and i'd bet that's not changing anytime soon. Competitive and rebuilding do not need to be mutually exclusive and when they are treated as such all you get is a bunch of wasted seasons.
     
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    Last time we traded down we gave up Earl Thomas, and took Odrick and Misi, that worked out well. For the Seahawks !!!
     
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    The Browns will easily have a more talented roster than us by next year or the year after. Then look at our roster, look at our draft classes, we've gotten Landry recently and then a bunch of no body's. I can't think of one draft of ours out of the last 10 years that was actually a really good draft.
     
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    I don't think the trade was that bad. We remained twice within the Top 40, which is the value area, IMO. Obviously the problem was what we did with those picks. Gronkowski was available both times. If you take him then nobody really cares about missing out on Earl Thomas.

    My bark in that draft was what we did later on, taking John Jerry when both Jimmy Graham and Everson Griffen were sitting there. Both of those guys had deserved pre draft hype but then sat on the board for much longer than logical. I remember ckparrothead liked Griffen as much as I did.

    The Dolphins need great players. It never occurred to me that they couldn't be acquired later on. I think I was spoiled by the early '70s Dolphins and then attending USC during the Ronnie Lott/Marcus Allen era. So I've gone back and forth on this topic. Last year if you had told me we would pick Charles Harris then I'd be begging to trade down and stay twice within the Top 40. But if there's a truly great prospect I'd stay put.
     
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    The Browns are probably 10 points better than the recent won/loss record suggests, in terms of near term potential. That's why I asked in the main forum the other day if we're really better off than they are. I think it would be entertaining as heck to desperately try to win just one game, as opposed to dependable mediocrity, as long as you understand there are excellent building blocks already on the roster.

    I think we just picked up a Browns reject in Tracy Howard.
     
  26. J. David Wannyheimer

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    I'm fine with a Jimmy Johnson inspired draft if Jimmy Johnson is out there doing some research for us as a consultant and selecting the defensive players we draft.

    Good luck with that, though.
     
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    This year Miami could trade down multiple times and still land the top TE and center in the draft. Based on needs it would be a decent year to do so.
     
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    We can't trade down because our front office is terrible at selecting day 2 valubles. We need to build with alpha character blue chip players whose ethic and drive inspires their teammates. There is too much complainy BS body language on our squad from guys who are upset when things go wrong.
     

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