With two games left, what's the feeling on Daboll?

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  1. Penthos

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    Since game 9, Miami's offense has averaged 25.4 points per game. Considering the lockout, the unstable QB situation, shaky O'Line, and the Coaching situation, is this guy doing better or worse than you expected?

    Furthermore, do you believe that at this point he deserves to stay, or, would you prefer that Miami replace him?
     
  2. DuderinoN703

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    I like what he's done for the team. The Dolphins have left a lot of points on the field too with dropped TDs and the periodic inability to score in the red zone. The first 5-6 games the offense wasn't anything to write home about. What happened since after the Giants game that sparked the offensive turnaround? I have no idea but whatever it was, it's a good sign for Daboll's future if they can continue it these last two games.
     
  3. outlawd2u

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    I haven't really had an issue with the play calling in a while so I guess he's doing pretty good. He would look even better if the OL could block consistently and MArshall doesn't drop over half of his passes in the endzone. I'd be ok with keeping Daboll, but I wouldn't be upset if he was fired either.
     
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    Considering he came from a bad Browns offense and the hire was very questionable at the time I think he has gotten the most out of this offense even though red zone scoring has been bad. Highly doubt he remains on board with a new coach coming in but stranger thing have happened.
     
  5. luduporcu

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    DABOLL is EXACTLY what MIAMI has been looking for. He apparently knew what R BUSH could do, and how much to put on our Rookie HB. He apparently WANTS to go to MARSHALL, and to HARTLINE as well. MIAMI has a possession-like WR who's "sneaky fast" in HARTLINE, and he's getting thrown to now. DABOLL and MOORE have a rapport, which can't hurt. And DABOLL knows how to use TEs. In "PARCELLSBALL", TEs block, and occasionally run 8 yard patterns. That's like Gospel in PARCELLSVILLE. But DABOLL understands, or seems to understand, 21st Century NFL football.

    I'd not only look to keep DABOLL: I'd extend his contract...for as long as HE wanted. Ditto, NOLAN. And if that means firing EVERYONE ELSE, so be it; and if it means NOT hiring a "name" Coach as HC, again, SO BE IT. And if ROSS saw fit to make either of DABOLL or NOLAN the HC, I'd be fine w/THAT, too. Retread Coaches, even ones who were once topshelf, aren't "new SHULAS": they are what they are and no more. And they aren't necessarily what they once WERE...especially where they predate the new rules of c. 2003-04, that transformed the NFL into a pass-first League. Need proof? BILL PARCELLS! It's a different universe now.
     
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    Consistently fails at red zone. That at any level of football will earn an F on the report card. If you look at our PF as of last week we were 3rd or dead last in every division. Besides that he is doing a great job.
     
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    hm, still scratching my head over some calls. i'm happy with others. i don't think he'll return. we're bringing in a new HC and they usually bring in their own guys. unless you have a Tom Moore, Jimmy Johnson, Monte Kiffin or **** LeBeau, your coordinators don't stay after a head coaching change.
     
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    more dynamic playcaller than Henning and we've had a bunch more big plays this year, but he does struggle with playcalling in the redzone. Now some of it is Marshall dropping TDs, but we really don't use Fasano,Clay,Bess, or Hartline in the redzone. I mean this is our red zone plays

    1.Fade attempt to Marshall (which I don't think has worked once)
    2.Run Reggie up the middle
    3.Run Thomas off tackle.
     
  9. Miamifinz

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    I'm not really blown away. He won't be around next year.
     
  10. madmic21

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    Our loss if he is not retained. I see him being a good OC in this league for years to come. He understands how to stretch the field and create deception in the running game. He has managed to make this team fun to watch on offense at least. Reggie has been a big plus but a lot of it has to do with run designs. These are the type of plays that you see around the league and compared to the run into the pile garbage and pray the wildcat fools someone crap of the past its nice to see. Honestly seeing guys wideopen 20 yards down the field is a testament to his understanding to exposing what other teams like to do.
     
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    I do not think he has done a bad job under the circumstances. However, he has done enough that the next coach will clamor to have him back.

    Sometimes some great red zone calls and others make me scratch my head. The execution in the red zone is what lacks the most and that is on the players.
     
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    Like Henning, he calls the right plays up and down the field, but when he gets into the red zone, his mind goes blank and he makes you scratch your head.
     
  13. Penthos

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    Totally agree.
     
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    I think the overall lack of talent on the OL gets exposed in the red zone. I know the best guy wasn't playing yesterday but how about getting the penalty with goal to go and a brand new series of downs and still couldn't get it in?

    I think this could be a big problem for them against New England next week. NE probably picks up more red zone scores and wins.

    Overall the offense is doing better than I thought they would without a top QB or a very good line. I'm not going to complain if you bring Daboll back.
     
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    I like what he's done recently. His play calling looked horrible early on but so did our QB, O-line (minus Jake), TE, WR's, Reggie Bush and entire defense.
     
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    Agreed. Better than expected but in the RZ he mops jizz!

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  18. MiamiDolfan85

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    All I know is that he's better than Dan Henning.....what does that mean exactly?

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  19. phintim

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    He has done better than I expected which is not to say a lot but is an improvement from last year. He seems to be creative which I like. I am not sold either way but am tired of seeing a lot of our veteran players on other teams doing well. I beleive in keeping a system in place as long as possible so the player turn over is not so great and we can draft talent instead of need. We NEED to get past this QB thing and get some good offensive line play so we can start trading down and drafting the best player available in any position.
     
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    he's better than what we've recently had - which says nothing at all - but might explain why some are so supportive of him. he's not terrible but we could do better. i do like how he calls a good amount of 20+ yard passes a game and understands how today's NFL works - but again - any good OC should do/know these things. he gets a little too cute in the red zone which i hate - so i could go either way on this one.
     
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    Daboll seems to understand what needs to be done and what wins in the NFL from a personnel and formation standpoint. However, his playcalling in the red zone has been straight out of a Field&Stream magazine since week 1.

    He's not a liability like Dan Henning, but also doesn't seem to be an asset. I think he can improve as a playcaller with more experience.

    Being able to execute a 2-minute offense when they have to, or execute a simple fade route around the goal line would go a long ways.
     
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    I think DaBol has exceeded my expectations. He has been a breath of fresh air compared to Dinosaur Dan Henning.
    I am hoping he comes back for another year.
    Nolan / DaBol / New head coach = stability and continuity.
    We need to let the players stay in the same scheme for another year to see if they can take it up another notch.
     
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    I was extremely frustrated by Henning's predictable playcalling the year before and in contrast I think that Daboll has been pretty good (and getting better as the season progresses). We still need another decent TE weapon and ideally a short yardage monster FB/RB, but Daboll has shown some imagination and has helped in the development of Matt Moore. Imagine what a really potent QB could do!
     
  24. dlockz

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    He can pack his bags at end of year, nothing special as an oc. Not many coaches in their right mind will retain him with better guys that will be out there esp after some coaches are fired, Norv Turner being one guy that would be a great oc for us. Imagine if we had hired Chudinksi over him.
     
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    It was a hire out of desperation because no one wanted to work for a lame duck meatball! He can go back to Canada and take Ireland with him.
     
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    ???????

    um, have we been putting up 20+ points alot? just sayin.

    All I am going to say is the dude took over a new offense with new players and made it happen. I am very happy with Daboll and is like night and day vs. Henning.
     
  27. eger

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    I like him, and we need consistancy on the Offensive side. If we don't keep him he'll be a good coach somewher.
    I made fun of this hire, and I was wrong.
     
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    I would agree with you about the line, but the problem is that he should be aware of the line issues and not try and run between the tackles down there. This is on him...not the line.
     
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    I know a lot of ppl would balk at the notion of norv turner coming here to be OC, but I'd welcome it.

    we have some dynamic playmakers. and while dabolls playcalling has been a breathe of fresh air compared to some of the past OC's, I wouldn't be shocked to see him go.

    norv would fit in with the "big name" so to speak from an OC standpoint IMO... reggie bush would explode under turner and I think he'd do a rookie qb some good as well.
     
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    Daboll has certainly got better as the season progressed. He's been using the the players pretty well. My only qualm with his play calling is in the redzone. I'm not sure if we are going to keep him, but I wouldn't be entirely against it.
     
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    He won't be here next year IMO.
     
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    Continuity is key here, so keep Daboll in place. Players will only get more comfortable, allowing him to install more of the playbook, and become more creative. He's aggressive (which I like), and as long as they're confident with the trigger man (QB), this offense can be scary good; The offense took off almost as soon as Moore stepped in.
     
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    That would be ranked #6 if it were the entire season which is pretty damn good. Miami is currently ranked #21 and last seasons the Dolphins were ranked #30.

    I like what he's doing.

    I like consistency.

    I'd like to see him and Moore stick around another season, fix the o-line and see what happens.
     
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    I have to say that I've been pleasantly surprised about Brian Daboll. He's managed to do for Reggie Bush what all the offensive minds in New Orleans weren't able to.
     
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    Seriously??? First its Marshall fault because drop passes now its Daboll? You cant have it both ways, either Daboll called a good play and Marshall messed up or Daboll called a poor play and Marshall failed to catch it. He has exceeded my expectations and I want to keep him. He is aggressive with passes and does not play it safe like Henning.
     
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    If you can't call it in in the red zone then it doesn't really matter how you got us there.

    When you put 2 time-consuming, successful, offense-dominating drives back to back and only lead your opponent by 6 at the outset, you've endured merely to motivate your opponent- "Hey, dawg. They just gave us the best they got and they only up 6. Lets tare these fools up."

    Guy is also too unwilling to call the plan and not the situation. Where is the shotgun when our OLine is being humiliated?

    So much speed/quickness/talent and no designs to motion/slot/create mismatches for Marshall. No inside designs for Bess. No spreading Bush out wide. No quick screens/slants to Clyde Gates.

    I'd fire him one the very next jump ball in the endzone. You are the offense. You dictate the action. The defense must literally react to your proact and instead of taking that advantage you even the plain by putting the ball up for grabs- IMHO, the worst theoretical play ever drawn up in football.
     
  37. dlockz

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    about the only way daboll keeps his job is if Brian Shotternheimer (was qb coach for jets) or Eric mangini( his failed offensive coordinator) get hired. No respectable coach will keep Daboll as a condition of employment and most will want guys they trust to run their offense. If billick is hired its possible that Rick Neuheisal is the OC. Not sure who Fisher would hire since his last oc is dead. Cowher if Whisenhunt is fired would probably be his oc.
     
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    Daboll hasn't lit the world on fire but he has been respectible to the point where I think he will be an OC next season for someone. Will it be the Phins? That will largely depend on who the next HC will be.
     
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    Thank God for positive posters like Luduporcu!

    It's great to see some positive insight from a fellow dolfan on the team which I hold so dear to my heart. Excellent post Luduporcu.
     
  40. hoops

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    daboll has been solid of late...but it took him too long to figure out how to get the ball to bush in space...and if he does return next year for gods sakes stop running bush up the middle in short yardage...that makes no damn sense

    i'm indifferent about daboll going forward...he could stay or he could go...i don't think he's a difficult upgrade
     

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