Would You Trade Our 1st 2nd Round Pick In 2013 For A First Round Pick In 2014?

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Trade 2nd round pick in 2013 for 1st in 2014?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Depends what is available at that pick

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  4. Other/Please explain

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  1. madmic21

    madmic21 A True Fan

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    I think that this would be a good move to stockpile the draft in 2014. I realize we have tons of places to upgrade and could use a player available at that pick. But I also see this as a move that can continue to build us down the line. Lets face it 2013 is not our Super Bowl run and a pick here is not going to make or break us next year. The Pats make this move almost every year and yes they do have the luxury of being able to do this, but regardless it is a good move for the organization. And you never know that team may tank 2013 and we end up with a real solid pick. I guess you also have to look at the board and make a decision based on what is there for the picking. Just a thought on a possible move we can make.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. NY8123

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    As much as I think you are going to take heat for posting this it would be a damn good strategy if you think Tannehill is going to end up like a Sanchez or Smith, an average QB.

    However with only 1 season under your belt and the fate of both the coaching staff and the GM riding on Tannheill you go out and get yourself a DE or some other needed asset to help the team win. If Tannehill goes the whole house will more than likely go anyway so the picks that you hoard will be used by your replacement and that isn't a good strategy.
     
  3. DeathStar

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    No. I want to win now.

    The Pats recently stopped doing this since the results don't work.

    Last year they made a ton of in trade moves to move up or down and used a lot of the extra 2012 picks.

    This year, they only have 5 or 6 picks I think in 2013...
     
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  4. mrhankey81701

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    It depends on how the draft plays out. If we are picking in the 2nd round and there isn't a single player we want then I wouldn't mind it.
     
  5. NorFlaFin

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    No, not with the new salary cap. Instead of buying a QB and paying a premium; everything is on clearance, same quality cheaper price.
     
  6. madmic21

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    Could be a lot of reasons for this, other teams weren't there to make a move with, they thought the player available was a guy they wanted ect... Winning now really has nothing to do with this. I can't see where a pick in the high 30s-mid 40s is a pick sure fire we are gonna win now pick. But if that pick turns into a top 15 next year that would be a possibly huge difference. A lot more things need to a happen for win now other than a good pick at this spot.
     
  7. madmic21

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    A little confused at what you are trying to say. Because of the draft salary structure now, 1st round picks are much cheaper I don't know why salary cap would effect this move in a negative manner at all?
     
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    Any time someone gives you the opportunity to do this, you ought to pounce on it. You'd have to come up with a damn fine reason not to do it, IMO.
     
  9. Tiko377

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    doubt this will happen it this is year 2 of philbins era and ireland is in win now mode this season.

    we really do need all the quality players we can get....
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    The results don't work? How do you think they built that juggernaut team of theirs?

    They've been doing it for a decade and the only problem is that until Scott Pioli left and Nick Caserio took over it didn't matter because they were squandering all the extra picks on bad players. But starting with 2010 they're picking up guys like Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Brandon Spikes, Stevan Ridley, Ras-I Dowling, etc. In the last 3 drafts they've had 14 picks in rounds 1, 2 and 3. Their normal allotment would've only been 9 picks. How do you think they did all that?
     
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    Agreed.
    Especially since teams that often do this are bad and desperate.
    You may end up with a premium pick.

    For example if you were to have a top three pick in 2014 and almost have a shot at a player like Clowney.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Hell the Patriots once traded their 1st round pick (which was a low 1st round pick) for San Francisco's future 1st round pick almost straight up...just figuring that San Fran was probably going to draft higher next year than the Patriots will this year so it's a good deal.

    They're one of the SMART teams that recognize there is no such thing as time value associated with draft picks. A pick today is worth the same as tomorrow, all other things being equal.

    If someone offered you their 2013 2nd rounder for your 2013 3rd rounder, you'd pounce on it...unless you're the baby from those annoying Capital One commercials. Well, offering a 2014 pick for a 2013 pick is the same thing, all other things being equal. Unfortunately, not enough people realize that.
     
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    This would be unreal if true. To have 2 1st round picks in ANY draft is worth it. This would set Miami up for a few years running. You could pick a player in the 1st next year then if there is noone worth picking with the 2nd 1st pick you trade that one away for a future pick in another draft if a team was willing or trade back or whatever is better.
     
  14. CANDolphan

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    I absolutely take that trade. #12 in the 2nd round, and usually teams that do the whole "trade for a pick NOW for your future pick LATER" typically perform middle to top of the round.

    I do it in a heartbeat. An absolute heartbeat. We can recover that selection with a trade up (bottom 2nd + bottom 3rd for a middle 2nd)
     
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    I voted Yes.

    It all depends on who's available though but if it was with a team like Jville that could potentially lead us to have an extra top 10 pick next year, then its a no-brainer.

    That, and the fact that our other 2nd round pick wont likely be as high as we hoped considering the amount of wins the Colts already have
     
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    Unless you see too much talent that's you evaluated extremely high on your board, you always trade the lower pick this year for higher next year...expecially a 1st round pick.
     
  17. CANDolphan

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    Not only that, but the 2014 class is likely going to be top heavy at positions Miami might find itself needing (WR/OL/TE)

    Obviously things change drastically year to year, but as long as you are making educated decisions with the best possible information at the time, I don't see how you can go wrong.
     
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    From my point of view, there are some factors to evaluate:
    1. The team involved has to be be a team expected to have a middle round to high pick, that is a no brainer,a team like KC.
    2. Talent wise draft class on next year, this is not as talented draft class as it was last year, by the way that is why NE decided to spend their picks last year. So how is expected to be next year?
    3. Which pick is available in our turn.

    Then we can take a decision.
     
  19. foozool13

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    My initial reaction is absolutely. Only thing I would hesitate about is if it will be a team who would end up giving us a late first. Might not do it then for our high 2nd. For the most part I think you should always do this trade though.
     
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    I am glad to see that a lot of you understand my thinking on the subject. My biggest concern for this offseason is that we fail to take some of the solid postion we have and don't use it to set up future years. We can't possibly fix all our weaknesses in one offseason. I fear that we may try to hard to address holes with only stop gap options when we can do a lot of good at certain spots and set ourselves up for future options that give us long term solid results.
     
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    That would spoil some of our draft day fun. But if Patterson, Hopkins, Allen, Matthews, Eifert are all gone by that pick then we probably couldn't turn down that value. Though I will say our team needs to win and win now. I think our team needs to value the importance of the present a little more. Ireland has never made any dramatic moves for a single year and all that's led to is 5 years later we've won nothing and he's rebuilding his own slowly constructed rebuild.
     
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    Value wise, its a great deal. But it leaves you without a high 2nd round pick this year, which could help you a lot more in the short term - so you definitely have to weigh the circumstances. I dont think you can just give a short "yes" or "no" to this question.
     
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    Yep, I did it in Madden 2013.
     
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    Definatley a lot of variable play into this. And if for some reason a player you rated really high drops to this spot you gotta take him, but on the other hand if the board fills out where you think you can address current needs with what is available in the late 2nd and early third you must consider it.

    ---------- Post added at 12:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:56 PM ----------


    LOL. I tried it in mv CC league but nobody was dumb enough to take the bait...
     
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    Yes, please! all day, er' day
     
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    I remember Joch McDaniels doing this on draft day to take Alphonso Smith. He traded a 1st round pick the following year for a high 2nd rounder, and he was laughed out of Denver.
     
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    Does spoil the fun for sure... However, if you lock down the CB, Pass rush issue, and WR issue in FA and the first round and there is not a pick need piece there I would hope our front office would consider it. I am sure they would we have never been shy of the trade back or trade out of a spot option, LOL
     
  29. madmic21

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    He did a lot of STUPID things in Denver. Trying to be a lot like Daddy got him into a lot of hot water.
    Draft TEbow in 1st
    Trade away Marshall and Cutler (although they got some good ammo in return)
    to name a few...
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    The default answer to this should be a "yes" in my opinion. There are always extenuating circumstances that can make you re-think even the most no-brainer decisions. And thus, there are potential extenuating circumstances that could theoretically see you saying "no" to this scenario. However, that doesn't change the fact that the default answer should be "yes" and you'd better come up with a real good reason to say "no" to free draft value.
     
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    This wasn't even on the short list of things he was laughed out of Denver for.
     
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    A 1st this year is worth the same as a first next year. The only reason people pay a premium is to protect the team trading the present pick from having a worse off pick. If you trade a 2 for 1 the worst case scenario is you move down 1 spot. Today's NFL is too "win now" for a strategy like this to work. If your entrenched in your job (Patriots situation), you can afford to wait until the next year to get what should be a better player. Like mentioned before, TVM is not a factor with draft picks. Just as an example, if we traded our 2010 2nd, which was a relatively high pick that turned into Misi, for a 1st in 2011, we could have got Jonathon Baldwin, Mark Ingrahm, Wilkerson, etc. The talent at even the bottom of the first is generally a step up from even the top of the 2nd. I would do this every time theres a chance. The key to their being a chance is having a player on the board with elite talent at a position you don't need (ex: Patriots when QB's are on the board). We don't have elite talent anywhere so we won't be in this position, in my opinion.
     
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    it all depends on the value. trading up is a gamble but it's an educated gamble. if your scout are good and they say this guy is the next XYZ at this position, then trade it.
     
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    Only partially true. The pats trade out of the first round consistently to get later round picks and stockpile. They rarely drafted in the first round or at least traded back. I think what he's saying has more to do with having two number 1's in 2014. I personally wouldn't be opposed since this year is kinda weak. Two number ones a year from now could turn out to be pretty good and certainly more economically forgiving given the new structure.
     
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    Teams who have as many holes and needs as we do CANT do something like this. I agree we will be getting more in return next year, but why keep delaying the rise of this team? If we were a playoff team who is a few players away from being super bowl bound then they can pull it off. Good idea though.
     
  36. mfish41

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    Unfortunately we have a GM who has backed himself into a corner with almost 5 years of incompetence and now he is in a make or break year in terms of job security after four straight losing seasons. I doubt we would do the move because a 2014 First round pick will do nothing to help JI's jobs security.
     
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    **** I'd do it, rip a team like the Browns off lol. That'd be smart.
     
  38. Dr. Phin

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    Misread your question...

    In any case...HELL YES!!! I would give up picks this year to get more in the future because Ireland will be gone after next year when all the bull**** excuses have been used up...
     
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    Who the hell wouldn't trade a 2nd for a future first? I want to trade down to the top 20-25 spots this draft and get Justin Hunter and a third additional 2nd round pick, so in my scenario...hell yes I'd trade one of my three 2nds for a 1st the next season...that is insanity if you did not jump all over that deal.
     

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