WVDolphan's Get Real. Today's subject "The Ginn Family"

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  1. WVDolphan

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    This may be the shortest edition of Get Real ever.

    Ok. All of you guys have to stop whining about how we traded Ted Ginn Jr. for a 5th round pick. Not because Parcells dosent blow, but because 90% of you who are now complaining about it HATED Ted Ginn Jr. and were ready to trade him for a bag of doritos. GET REAL!

    And while its true we could use his speed, return skills, and his presence as a receiver to stretch the field a bit, we shouldve replaced those assets of his with a different player or two at the position. You know.......a guy that could actually catch the ball as well to go along with those things.

    We have absolutely no depth at the WR position. Thats why we kept 2 undrafted FA's at WR.

    I was all for trading Ginn as well. Which is why I have yet to complain about his absence. However, I for some reason, felt after trading him that we might actually draft a playmaker or two, especially when you know that trading him leaves you void of a return man.

    But, NO. Of course we had to draft MORE CORNFED LINEMEN! This is what makes trading Ginn a blunder.

    Trading him was a fine move, unless you werent going to replace him. Thats why I thought for sure we were drafting McCluster when we traded down. I guess that made too much sense though. There were a handfull of guys I wanted to draft at the WR or RB/return specialist position though. I thought for sure we would get at least one.

    So yea, nothing wrong with trading Ginn. He blows.......REMEMBER. But, trading him and not replacing his assets was a really stupid move.

    Anyways, stop talking about Ginn and how youre pissed that we traded him. You arent. There were about 3 people total on this board that liked Ginn as a player while he was here. So GET REAL!!!
     
  2. Ilovemyfins4eva

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    over under 14 and a half pages? lol.

    also, i do agree. i did like his big play ''POTENTIAL''on deep routs and return game, but otherwise he was a big ***** and never did the extra work to go for a ball. we should have drafted mccluster though, he looks good, and he could have given us that return guy that we needed.
     
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    this thread sucks.
     
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    Yea after trading ginn, i also thought we would get a playmaker like McCluster. but after we pass and KC got him i figurerd we get some other playmakes. eventually we got line men and LB's. Oh well theres always next year. But we I can't keep saying that. 2011 Draft we HAVE to get playmakers.
     
  5. X-Pacolypse

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    Ginn sucks. It really is amazing, go back to before the Draft most of the people pining for Ginn were cursing his name and his family religiously. You people flip flop worse than a politician.
     
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    Here's the thing. Ginn's 2009 season was a debacle, to be sure. Throughout the 2007-2008 seasons however, Ginn was coming along, showing flashes, and making plays before it all blew up in his face last year. Couldnt catch a cold. Prior to that, here and at OSU, he was known for being sure-handed. I'm not suggesting he would ever have become a #1, but alongside a #1 he couldve been a playmaker for us.

    I'm all for trading players, most any players, if the value is there. To this day, I still believe we got great value for Welker(2 and a 7), and fantastic value for Chambers(2). A #5 is bordering on a throwaway pick though. Before people swarm in and predictably remind me Brady was a 6th rounder, any of low round picks are questionable as whether they'll even be on the opening day roster, much less contribute. For every Tom Brady and Marques Colston, there are thousands of low round picks you've never heard of. Bottom line is we got terrible value for a guy that could've helped us.
     
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    Um, we did have a returner, he just didn't make it out of training camp. His name was Kory Sheets.
     
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    did you see the pick where Ginn didn't even look for the ball?

    his receiver IQ is less than zero

    and he is still a coward
     
  9. Daytona Fin

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    we were 7-9 last year because of the defense. thats why drafted defense this year. if we had ginn, mccluster or any other imaginary player we would still be 2-2.
     
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    Boom, i was one of the 3... ive got 5 pages of red rep from x-poc in my profile settings to prove it... "Ginn sucks." in every single one.

    I do admit, WV, many of this kids now are mad because we don't have that speed here anymore. They are coming out saying WTF but yet they were that same crowd that called for his head. "We'd be better off releasing him"

    I knew we were too stupid to find someone to replace him as a return man and that kind of speed is hard to replace as well. Like i said, maybe he gets open on a deep route once per game with marshall drawing the safety attention. Maybe he gets us to the 50 on a return after a team just scores on us. The only reason the 49ers were in the game late was because ginn was getting them ridiculous field position. I said the whole time he was here if we could find someone to replace him, i'd have no problem getting rid of him. The problem was we didn't.
     
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    As a jet fan I am thankful he is gone.He played well last night in the 4th quarter.Was it really worth a 5th round pick to get rid of a jet killer?
     
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    ^Exactly. It's no coincidence that we finally lose to the Jets the season Ted Ginn was traded. I guarantee he would have had a game changing play in that game. Ted Ginn and his family are better than our entire special teams unit!
     
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    Nolan Carrol should have been the return man starting the year..He has the most upside..

    SF stold Ted from us..but we had to get rid of him..

    But its more cause we overpaid for him orignally..
     
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    Yeah, Ginn had some great plays and some awesome returns that saved games....

    But...

    how many friggin games did the guy cost us? How many drops did the guy have? How many times would he just run out of bounds instead of fight for extra yards? How many reutrns wer just "average".

    Just because he had a good game in SF does not mean he would have a good game for us.

    Let the guy go, he was not getting it done here.

    Period
     
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    I can't wait for him next year!
     
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    Wow. I actually agree!
     
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    Next year?
     
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    I agree as well. The team is better off not having him. Any throw you send his way is too risky. He's a risk on returns as well. For every good return he had with us he had like 20 more bad ones.
     
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    We all know he wasn't good as a receiver, but I wish we would have kept him for returning punts and kicks along with running an occassional streak on offense.
     
  20. sharp

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    WTF?

    How many games did he cost us? Its not like hes Ricky out there fumbling his brains out, or for you Henne haters out there hes not throwing picks when driving to score.. Hes not dan henning calling a wildcat on 3rd and 7...

    I can name TWO times you all are refferring too... The drop against the colts where he had 11 rec 110 yds and chad p was finding ginn all games on 3rd down... and the saints game where he dropped a 3rd and 22 pass that was right in his bread basket... in which he hustled and BLATANTLY stripped sharper who fumbled it into the endzone. BUT that play didn't count so ill give it to you, but it was probably more than that one play that cost us that saints game, call me crazy.

    This guy didn't fumble kickoffs or anything so i dont see why it was so hurtful...
     
  21. Daytona Fin

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    because finfans have to blame somebody. last year it was ginn. this year it is henning/henne

    reality: last year it was defense this year its henning/special teams
     
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    Thank you.... thread over.
     
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    Its funny how everybody talks about Ginn for dropping passes, but Hartline has dropping passes less and right and doesn't even contribute to the team, but everybody wants Ginn gone but nobody talks about Hartline.

    Cobbs has been terrible this season, but nobody wants him gone? Cobbs has been a special team disaster this year...First our returner sucked, then our special teams coach sucked, maybe it was neither, maybe it was just we have a bunch of scrub practice squad players playin on special teams
     
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    Maybe I was passive aggressive toward Teddy, in that I wasn't exactly sorry to see him go but really would have preferred he stayed if nothing more than to make life easier for Marshall. However, although I understand that the blocking and coaching on STs is no doubt better than ours, still, even one of his returns yesterday is a helluva improvement over what we've had.

     
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    ginn did some good things putting the 9ers in some good field position but it was the same old beeline for the sideline whenever he had the ball...over and over

    i'm glad he's gone
     
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    I didn't like the Ginn trade from the get-go and you know it. No flip-flopping here- I am just looking better and better everytime he has a big return while our Special Teams suck. With how much crap I got on here for standing up for him this is hilarious to see everyone else come over to my side.
     
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    Dumbest post of the year. He stepped out of bounds at the EAGLE's 41 and 46, I would take that any day of the week. Also, D. Jackson ran for the sidelines on his punt return and I didn't hear anyone question his toughness. These smaller receivers have to protect their bodies. They don't do anyone any good on IR. Ginn was one of a few bright spots for the Niners last night- you just can't admit when you're wrong.
     
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    I know that EVERYONE wanted him gone and some of us yes wanted better but get over it, it's in the past. It shouldn't be surprising that ginn is doing better there then here. Almost every dolphin that gets traded or leaves our team is better at another team. There should be more complaining about how our offense should be awesome (Henne is not looking good and our Dan Henning please), defense doing good enough to stop an offense a few times, and special teams that ISN'T the main reason we lose a game.
     
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    LOL, missing the likes of a Ted Ginn on our team is an indictment of how bad our Special Teams return game is and overall Offensive Team Speed.

    Another Front Office screw up.
     
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    Honestly, this pining by a lot of you over Ginn is pathetic. Those of you who wanted to keep him last year, feel free to ***** about it now. If you wanted him gone (which is the right) like the vast, vast majority then you can't flip flop now. Do you all need to go watch that drop youtube video again? Personally, I'm extremely glad he's off the team.
     
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    I hate Ted sideline Ginn dont give a **** about him, but thats the only thing i agree with you, FO did nothing to Replace him, maybe they were high on Kory Sheets but he went down and decided to stay with Cobbs, and as you can see is not working out...
     
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    He had a couple nice returns, but when it comes down to it he fell right down after the catch on his 1 reception. Then on his long return he didn't even try to make the kicker miss, he just sprinted out the angle to the sidelines! Same old Ted Ginn Jr a few good plays and a lot of pansy!
     
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    Ginn was a 5 star DB in high school and was recruited as DB not a WR. Which makes his shying away from contact the most surprising thing.
     
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    No sh*t, Sherlock. I wasn't referring to you. If you're feeling better because Ginnger broke two decent returns last night on an 0-5 team, then more power to you. What little he's done in SF doesn't make up for what has been a failure of a career in the NFL thus far.
     
  35. X-Pacolypse

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    Quit your b*tching, it's well earned red rep.

    Secondly, who says we didn't? Hell, had Kory Sheets not gone down maybe this whole thing wouldn't be an issue and these Ginnger threads cease to exist. Hell, this coaching staff probably shouldn't have been so damn stubborn and just put some trust in Nolan Carroll from the get go versus a gimpy Patrick Cobbs and the Artist Formerly Known As Clifton Smith.
     
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    Ginn was a disappointment because he is extremely soft, something which makes him a D+ receiver, instead of a B+ or better which his god-given skills would actually allow for. Having said that, watching him return kicks last night, it's clear to me how bad our special teams coaching really was. Ginn, even though he still ran out of bounds to avoid a hit, actually took the ball strong up the middle of the field on both KO's I saw. One resulted in a 40 yard run-back, the other, I believe, was 60+ (can't recall if it was a KO or punt). My point is, even though he's still soft, someone from SF has convinced him on the correct technique - versus the strategy he used to use with us where he pretty much either ran directly to one sideline or the other, or stutter stepped around until he got clocked.
     
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    I must be one of the 3 as well cause I actually liked Ginn. A lot of receivers drop balls Marshall, Owens, Smith. Ive seen him open so many time and the qb wasnt able to make the throw anyway. How many td's on returns did he have called back. A lot of whiney *** fans here hated Ginn from the get go. Was it because we didnt pick (the bust) Brady? Or was it because he's from OSU and the SEC crybabies didnt like that either? Was it because Cameron picked him?

    To say he sucked is completely false and a pathetic reply. Was he a number #1 receiver? NO. Picked too high? YES. But sucked? NO. I remember the hustle too in last years Saints game when he chased down the DB and punched the ball out BEFORE the endzone and the ref blew the f'n call. Check out the Sports Illustrated picture if you dont believe me. I for one would still love to have Ginn on this team, with Marshall and see what he coulda done then. Oh well. GO FINS!!!
     
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    Actually he did have one of those last night as well.
     
  39. X-Pacolypse

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    A couple of things. One, you don't spend the 9th overall pick in the Draft on an injured KR masquerading as WR. Two, you definately don't spend the 9th overall pick on an injured KR when you have a stud MLB (Patrick Willis) and a shutdown CB (Darrelle Revis) still on the board. Make sense now?
     
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    Hated that we drafted him so high and that we just handed him the number one job but did not like that all we got for him was a 5th round pick. I could live with him as the 4th receiver and returnman. He will never be a top level receiver but he was a useful player who I would much rather have than Moore or Wallace as our number 4. He could be a great return guy but he was never at that level with us. Believe me I was never a huge fan of taking Ginn that high and argued many times how Desean Jackson was the far superior player only to be blasted by certain members.
     
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    IDK, I sure wouldnt mind him running flies on 1 side with 1 on 1 coverage and Brandon getting doubled on the other side. Thats big play potential if you ask me (or Revis).
     
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    Plz don't make me print screen and post... many people complain you do this as well.. I will post in a thread about god knows what and you will just write Ginn sucks as the comment and mark it red. Literally over 100 times. Childish.


    So your sitting here saying Kory Sheets was the answer and was going to be a good return man? no one knows this. Lets not judge on the hypothetical because that gets the team no where, it all starts with production, and we aren't seeing anything.

    I agree we should have went with Carroll from the start, he hits the hole fast but almost looks like he runs into the pile as well. Hes going to die if he keeps hitting guys that fast. He looks like he might have potential though.

    No one is saying Ginn was worth the #9 pick or is a #1 receiver. He wasn't replaced. Our ST is horrible. But looks at plays like the 2nd KO return against the jets. That was terrible blocking but an insane combo of jukes and speed that created that play. Also we don't have a single fast guy on offense. Its arguable that ricky is our fastest player on O.
     
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    Being an aquaintance of Ginn, I was 1 of the other 3 people that supported him as well. I know for a fact he was excited when Miami traded for Brandon and was looking forward to this season with the Dolphins. Horrible move trading his speed away for nothing. He should have been our full-time punt and kick returner and situational deep threat. It is very, very hard to find players with his speed. What is done is done though. I am a Dolphins fan, always have been, and always will be.
     
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    Nope. Usually your reply is just Ginn sucks. I stated in my post AS WELL that he shouldn't have been the #9 pick but he didnt suck. He's still on an NFL roster and getting playing time so he obviously does have some value and talent. Would still like to have him on this team for returns and stretching the field. He's much better than any returner we have now and faster than any receiver we have now as well.
     
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    Kory Sheets? Get real. You call that a plan? Thats like saying we have a backup LB and STs ace named Bobbie Carpenter.
     
  46. sharp

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    WV get my back here and slam your buddy x-poc as well
     
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    Wait a second. According to your sig I thought I was one of the "best posters" on this forum? Seems like a sudden change of heart doesn't it?
     
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    Wv!

    I can't believe it...but I absolutely agree with you!

    Great post, keep this up.
     
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    I am better! It is only logical I am list FIRST! Congrats you're second though! You know what they say about second place? You are the FIRST LOSER! ;-)
     
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    How so, good sir?
     

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