Its the time of year when the phins are once again faced with the decision of what to do at the QB position. Its an annual tradition at this point. Most of you who have been following FH for a while now will be aware of the fact that when this topic is due to be discussed, WVDolphan is always right, and most everyone else is wrong. 
However this season is a little different. It seems that the correct move to make for the phins is so obvious that most everyone has it right. Nevertheless, there seems to be a few bird brains flying around who are a bit lost, so a Get Real thread is in order.
After examining all of the options available to the phins at QB, there is but one smart move to make. That is of course to IMMEDIATELY sign Peyton Manning upon his release tomorrow. Lets discuss the reasons why.......
1) He's Peyton ****ing MANNING! You have watched football the last dozen or so years right? That is all. :thanks:
Now lets look at some of the counter arguments to that and talk about why they either make zero sense or simply dont matter.......
1) He's coming off a serious injury and some surgeries......
Fair point. However, have I mentioned he's Peyton ****ing Manning? Were not talking about some run of the mill scrub like Matt Flynn here. Peyton Manning is an all time great. The guy can play. Even if he's 90% of what he was 3 years ago, he is still the QB we have needed for a while now. Guys this good just arent available through FA but once every 5-10 years. It takes a special circumstance for this to happen.
The only question about this injury is will the nerve regenerate so that he can have full function of his arm. From what I understand, its likely that it will. Again, even if it dosent, so long as it regenerates enough that he can throw with close to the same velocity and have full feeling in his arm and hands, it should be fine.
And besides, even if the nerve dosent heal, its worth the shot at signing the guy. I mean really, if we sign him and he cant be effective, what did we lose? A chance to pick up some bum at QB and go 7-9 again? Get real. Its time to ante up and get after it. Brett Favre played with nerve damage with the Jests and he blew down the stretch. They still had a decent season and were like 7-2 and in the mix till his arm gave out. And oh btw, a year after his nerve problem he played great in Minnesota and lead them to the NFC title game. Manning has had a full year off and should be fine for next season.
2) He's one big hit away from his career being over.....
This is probably the most stupid of all of the arguments. My response..... WHO ISNT? Its football. Mannings particular injury leaves him at no greater risk than any other QB in the league. His neck is fused. Its gold. And again, even if we sign him and he takes a huge hit and never plays again, its STILL WORTH taking the chance and signing him. Youre not going to find better options than Peyton Manning at QB through FA. The only better options you get are when you have the #1 overall pick and a solid QB is there for the taking. When that happens, try not to draft a LT OK.
3) He isnt a long term solution.......
Another stupid argument. Who is a long term solution? You mean like when you have the #1 overall pick? Well guess what...... we used that on a LT. Cant have that one back. The only long term solution this year is Andrew Luck and he is the only reason Manning will be available. We cant get Luck because we were too stupid to lose enough games. Sign Manning and WIN as many games as you can right now. If he plays well then you have a QB for a few years that gives you a chance. Then you dont have to worry about a QB again till you have to worry about a QB again. For this franchise that has been every year. Sign Manning and that may not happen for a few years for a change. Its as if the idea of contending frightens some fans around here.
Now lets examine the other "options" if you want to call them that......
1) Matt Flynn - He blows. Next.
This is what frightened the hell out of me about getting Philbin in the first place. Im tired of hearing about Philbin's offense. Last time I checked he was running Mike McCarthy's offense, not Joe Phibins. How in the hell is it his offense? Secondly, it wasnt Flynn. It was Aaron Rodgers. Green Bay wins with Rodgers running McCarthy's offense, not Flynn running Philbins.
2) RGIII - If you havent read Aswi's posts on this scrub, do yourself a favor. I wouldnt draft RGIII in the 7th round, much less trade up to get him. Watch him fall to whoever is foolish enough to draft him. I dont see anyone trading up to get him. Rams just draft your LT or Blackmon and be quiet.
After realizing that none of the other QBs available in FA are even as good as Matt Moore, the plan should be to sign Manning. If Manning dosent sign with us, then just roll with Moore and see what happens next season. There will be a handful of good QBs in the draft next year and maybe we can make a move for one then.
Lets also realize that while the desire to get Manning may be there, there is the possibility he chooses to go elsewhere on his own. I think a lot of people are failing to realize just how many teams will be smart enough to try and sign Manning. For those of you who think its limited to the teams who are being typically thrown out there...... GET REAL. Dont discount a team that hasnt even been discussed. A team like Philly for instance, would be really wise to upgrade their QB play and get Manning. I dont think its out of the question he would like to go there and throw it to D. Jackson. I see no reason why Dallas should get in the mix either. Tony who? Since when should those teams worry about who their starter is now? Their starters have done NOTHING for them. Peyton Manning is a huge upgrade to almost any team in the league. And why should a team like Dallas or Philly who has very mediocre to above average starters(Vick blows btw and stays injured) pass on Manning? They shouldnt. I dont believe for one second that their ownerships and GMs arent going to try and get in the mix for Manning even if they dont make it public. Its the god damned SHERIFF for christ sakes. Its not like Joe Flacco just got cut. Were talking about Peyton Manning.
Lets now discuss the draft.....
We have covered that RGIII blows, but its worth mentioning other QBs as many people believe even if the phins sign Manning that we should draft a QB. I say not necessarially. A lot of people like Tannehill and I think he could be ok. I do worry that he comes from the Big 12 to be honest, but my main problem is I just dont want to spend a 1st round pick on a QB unless he starts right away. I mean, if the guy is that good that you draft him in round 1, he is good enough to start IMHO and if you sign Manning, you dont need a starting QB. If you want to draft a project, fine. I would have no problem in round 4 or later taking a QB if we sign Manning. Thing is, as we all know, good QBs come in the first round, typically near the top. Bums are drafted in round 2 and beyond. Feel free to throw in the dozen or so exceptions to that rule that have existed in the 2 million years of football.
But, if you want to mention a few of those guys, I like Cousins a little bit and would take him. Prefereable not with a 2nd round pick though. Also, that kid from Arizona St. may have potential if you want to spend a later pick on him. Lastly, Kellen Moore is a winner and although they say he lacks the arm strength, I wouldnt count him out. Noodle arm lacked arm strength and yet all he did was win in the NFL.
So what would I do with our first round pick. Well if we sign Manning, Ive said this might not be a horrible year to go cornfed. I just dont really care for the idea of going OL in the top 10. Not my style. But, if we had to the kid from Stanford could be a good RT for us.
My preference would be trading down and stockpiling picks. A lot of people say that, problem is you cant just trade down because you want to. You have to have a trading parter. However the only way we may get that is if a player is there who I myself would take. Im saying right now if Richardson is there Id take him. RB is another position I hate going first round with, but this kid is a beast like no other. Teams like Cinci might be interested if he falls to 8, but I would take him myself. Richardson is a game changer.
Blackmon is also a guy I may take if he were to fall to 8. I dont see it happening, but if he did, he is just too good to pass up. I would definately take him if we are stuck with Matt Moore, but if we get Manning I would be inclined to deal the pick. Manning dosent need WRs. He makes them. Ever heard of Austin Collie? Plenty of people did before Manning was injured. Guy caught TDs left and right. Manning would make Hartline into a stud. Just add Reggie Wayne and we are set at WR with Manning at QB.
So that would be my draft plan along with looking for pass rushers and perhaps a safety. Of course Im always looking for pass rush, secondary, and offensive game changers. Thats the keys to the game in todays NFL. Get some of those things and dont be afraid to trade down and stock picks in next seasons draft in order to give us more ammo for when there is a good QB available that we could actually get. Luck is the only one worth getting this year aside from Manning and Luck just isnt happening.
However this season is a little different. It seems that the correct move to make for the phins is so obvious that most everyone has it right. Nevertheless, there seems to be a few bird brains flying around who are a bit lost, so a Get Real thread is in order.After examining all of the options available to the phins at QB, there is but one smart move to make. That is of course to IMMEDIATELY sign Peyton Manning upon his release tomorrow. Lets discuss the reasons why.......
1) He's Peyton ****ing MANNING! You have watched football the last dozen or so years right? That is all. :thanks:
Now lets look at some of the counter arguments to that and talk about why they either make zero sense or simply dont matter.......
1) He's coming off a serious injury and some surgeries......
Fair point. However, have I mentioned he's Peyton ****ing Manning? Were not talking about some run of the mill scrub like Matt Flynn here. Peyton Manning is an all time great. The guy can play. Even if he's 90% of what he was 3 years ago, he is still the QB we have needed for a while now. Guys this good just arent available through FA but once every 5-10 years. It takes a special circumstance for this to happen.
The only question about this injury is will the nerve regenerate so that he can have full function of his arm. From what I understand, its likely that it will. Again, even if it dosent, so long as it regenerates enough that he can throw with close to the same velocity and have full feeling in his arm and hands, it should be fine.
And besides, even if the nerve dosent heal, its worth the shot at signing the guy. I mean really, if we sign him and he cant be effective, what did we lose? A chance to pick up some bum at QB and go 7-9 again? Get real. Its time to ante up and get after it. Brett Favre played with nerve damage with the Jests and he blew down the stretch. They still had a decent season and were like 7-2 and in the mix till his arm gave out. And oh btw, a year after his nerve problem he played great in Minnesota and lead them to the NFC title game. Manning has had a full year off and should be fine for next season.
2) He's one big hit away from his career being over.....
This is probably the most stupid of all of the arguments. My response..... WHO ISNT? Its football. Mannings particular injury leaves him at no greater risk than any other QB in the league. His neck is fused. Its gold. And again, even if we sign him and he takes a huge hit and never plays again, its STILL WORTH taking the chance and signing him. Youre not going to find better options than Peyton Manning at QB through FA. The only better options you get are when you have the #1 overall pick and a solid QB is there for the taking. When that happens, try not to draft a LT OK.
3) He isnt a long term solution.......
Another stupid argument. Who is a long term solution? You mean like when you have the #1 overall pick? Well guess what...... we used that on a LT. Cant have that one back. The only long term solution this year is Andrew Luck and he is the only reason Manning will be available. We cant get Luck because we were too stupid to lose enough games. Sign Manning and WIN as many games as you can right now. If he plays well then you have a QB for a few years that gives you a chance. Then you dont have to worry about a QB again till you have to worry about a QB again. For this franchise that has been every year. Sign Manning and that may not happen for a few years for a change. Its as if the idea of contending frightens some fans around here.
Now lets examine the other "options" if you want to call them that......
1) Matt Flynn - He blows. Next.
This is what frightened the hell out of me about getting Philbin in the first place. Im tired of hearing about Philbin's offense. Last time I checked he was running Mike McCarthy's offense, not Joe Phibins. How in the hell is it his offense? Secondly, it wasnt Flynn. It was Aaron Rodgers. Green Bay wins with Rodgers running McCarthy's offense, not Flynn running Philbins.
2) RGIII - If you havent read Aswi's posts on this scrub, do yourself a favor. I wouldnt draft RGIII in the 7th round, much less trade up to get him. Watch him fall to whoever is foolish enough to draft him. I dont see anyone trading up to get him. Rams just draft your LT or Blackmon and be quiet.
After realizing that none of the other QBs available in FA are even as good as Matt Moore, the plan should be to sign Manning. If Manning dosent sign with us, then just roll with Moore and see what happens next season. There will be a handful of good QBs in the draft next year and maybe we can make a move for one then.
Lets also realize that while the desire to get Manning may be there, there is the possibility he chooses to go elsewhere on his own. I think a lot of people are failing to realize just how many teams will be smart enough to try and sign Manning. For those of you who think its limited to the teams who are being typically thrown out there...... GET REAL. Dont discount a team that hasnt even been discussed. A team like Philly for instance, would be really wise to upgrade their QB play and get Manning. I dont think its out of the question he would like to go there and throw it to D. Jackson. I see no reason why Dallas should get in the mix either. Tony who? Since when should those teams worry about who their starter is now? Their starters have done NOTHING for them. Peyton Manning is a huge upgrade to almost any team in the league. And why should a team like Dallas or Philly who has very mediocre to above average starters(Vick blows btw and stays injured) pass on Manning? They shouldnt. I dont believe for one second that their ownerships and GMs arent going to try and get in the mix for Manning even if they dont make it public. Its the god damned SHERIFF for christ sakes. Its not like Joe Flacco just got cut. Were talking about Peyton Manning.
Lets now discuss the draft.....
We have covered that RGIII blows, but its worth mentioning other QBs as many people believe even if the phins sign Manning that we should draft a QB. I say not necessarially. A lot of people like Tannehill and I think he could be ok. I do worry that he comes from the Big 12 to be honest, but my main problem is I just dont want to spend a 1st round pick on a QB unless he starts right away. I mean, if the guy is that good that you draft him in round 1, he is good enough to start IMHO and if you sign Manning, you dont need a starting QB. If you want to draft a project, fine. I would have no problem in round 4 or later taking a QB if we sign Manning. Thing is, as we all know, good QBs come in the first round, typically near the top. Bums are drafted in round 2 and beyond. Feel free to throw in the dozen or so exceptions to that rule that have existed in the 2 million years of football.
But, if you want to mention a few of those guys, I like Cousins a little bit and would take him. Prefereable not with a 2nd round pick though. Also, that kid from Arizona St. may have potential if you want to spend a later pick on him. Lastly, Kellen Moore is a winner and although they say he lacks the arm strength, I wouldnt count him out. Noodle arm lacked arm strength and yet all he did was win in the NFL.
So what would I do with our first round pick. Well if we sign Manning, Ive said this might not be a horrible year to go cornfed. I just dont really care for the idea of going OL in the top 10. Not my style. But, if we had to the kid from Stanford could be a good RT for us.
My preference would be trading down and stockpiling picks. A lot of people say that, problem is you cant just trade down because you want to. You have to have a trading parter. However the only way we may get that is if a player is there who I myself would take. Im saying right now if Richardson is there Id take him. RB is another position I hate going first round with, but this kid is a beast like no other. Teams like Cinci might be interested if he falls to 8, but I would take him myself. Richardson is a game changer.
Blackmon is also a guy I may take if he were to fall to 8. I dont see it happening, but if he did, he is just too good to pass up. I would definately take him if we are stuck with Matt Moore, but if we get Manning I would be inclined to deal the pick. Manning dosent need WRs. He makes them. Ever heard of Austin Collie? Plenty of people did before Manning was injured. Guy caught TDs left and right. Manning would make Hartline into a stud. Just add Reggie Wayne and we are set at WR with Manning at QB.
So that would be my draft plan along with looking for pass rushers and perhaps a safety. Of course Im always looking for pass rush, secondary, and offensive game changers. Thats the keys to the game in todays NFL. Get some of those things and dont be afraid to trade down and stock picks in next seasons draft in order to give us more ammo for when there is a good QB available that we could actually get. Luck is the only one worth getting this year aside from Manning and Luck just isnt happening.
