Ok Ill bite what about RG3 blows . He had the second highest qb rating in country, was 4th in passing tds, number one in yards per attempt.
So the guy can play qb, He had 37 tds against 6 interceptions so he definately is not a turnover machine and he completed 72.4 percent of his passes,and lets not mention while doing this he also gained 699 yards rushing. Whether you like him or not he is unlike any player that has ever played the qb position in college, he was like Michael Vick crossed with Drew Brees in college. Baylor had no been to a Bowl games since 1994 and griffin led them to two straight, Baylor had not been ranked since 1986 and yes he led them to a top 15 ranking. This guy is a winner , great attitude, smart guy and skills galore. Mind you he did all this with not the most talented Baylor team who talentwise is not among the better big 12 teams. This guy has decent size at 6-2 can make all of the throws and is a tremendous leader on the field. if not for the very rare talent of Luck he would be the surefire first pick in this draft and would go 1st in most drafts.
If you want to make a point you dont think the amount to give up in trade is worth it I might buy that but to make a statement that RG3 blows is beyond silly.
This.............
Big 12 quarterbacks scare the heck out of me in general. That league pays no attention to pass defense, other than Texas, which makes a moderate attempt. It's been that way for 4-5 years minimum. I remember salivating to bet against the Big 12 in 2008 bowl games, after the league demonstrated the most inept group pass defense I'd seen in more than 2 decades of charting the stat nationally.
The Big 12 can get away with it because the vast majority of the nation no longer attacks short passes. Bubble screens waltz uncontested for 8-12 yards and the Big 12 was the first to grasp that it's like stealing. Throw them all day and when the safeties finally over commit, shoulder fake and drop a cheap lob over their head. That's 50% of the playbook for many Big 12 attacks. It can reach absurdity at times, the Big 12 quarterback so dependent on that approach they are offended when it's denied. Last season I was in hysterics during Baylor's bowl debacle against Illinois. Griffin threw the same bubble screens that he'd relied on all season and Illinois would have none of it. They butchered the plays for minimal gain or losses. At one point early in the game Griffin was so shook up by the unfair defensive tactics he threw an immediate screen that turned into a lateral. Illinois picked up the ball and ran it deep into Baylor territory. Griffin chased down the defender, tackled him by the headgear, and intentionally bumped him in the chest when both rose to their feet. Don't you understand you are supposed to leave my cute little bubble pass alone? It reminded me of Sam Bradford's stunned facial expressions when Florida wiped out short yardage bubble screens on vital plays during the 2008 BCS title game.
IMO, it's simply too much of an adjustment for a Big 12 quarterback to transition from picking on terrorized simplistic college defenses to life in the NFL. I suppose the law of averages will attach someday and a Big 12 quarterback will meet or exceed his draft ranking. But right now I'm content to downgrade all of them. Hasn't let me down recently. It's similar to Big 12 teams asked to face a top SEC defense, which destroy short passes. Check the pass defense stats this season. Alabama, South Carolina, LSU and Georgia were the top four, the only teams in the country to hold opponents below 100 passer rating. Hardly a coincidence that league dominates. Rutgers was fifth. It was hilarious to watch them toy with Big 12 Iowa State's short passing game as underdog in the bowl, thank you very much. Too darn bad Griffin was allowed to play a cupcake retreating Washington defense in this year's bowl, and not an SEC mauler.
Granted, Texas A&M and Tannehill didn't abuse the cheap short junk to the degree of the rest of the league. That may have been Sherman's undoing. Oklahoma State started the third quarter of that game with one relentless bubble screen after another. Alabama would have chewed them up and battered Weeden. A&M watched and caved.
Tannehill looks the part and makes some great pro style throws. I don't knock or discount Tannehill as much as I doubt Griffin will live up to his current billing. Notice I refuse to call him by the shorty nickname, which undoubtedly is partial cause for his popularity. Somehow it became fashionable to scrutinize Andrew Luck at every turn and whisper he's overrated, while Griffin is allowed to fall behind Oklahoma State 49-3 and woeful Kansas 24-3 but nobody says a word. The marquee win on another team's home field this season was 1 point in overtime at Kansas. Griffin won the Heisman almost solely due to the friendly schedule, no road games in the final weeks.
In those road games he's more likely to show off his dependable flaws, like turning his head when pressured up the middle, losing sight of receivers while frantically flailing sideways, often with the ball at waist level. Super hero types don't like annoying disturbance up the middle. Might soil the socks. Griffin is a video game type and I'm not confident he'll handle adversity well in the NFL. In the old NFL I'd scream it. In Tutu Goodell's pantyhose NFL admittedly you can't discount anybody who will work at it a moderate amount. In the Oklahoma State game Griffin threw a tantrum during the first half, after a botched play near the goal line. On another site weeks ago I posted that Griffin is a candidate for a Woody Hayes moment in the NFL. That might be an overstatement but I don't buy him as a cool customer. Unlike many fans who became aware of Griffin this season I've bet his games for years. Heck, he started from early 2008. Griffin whined many times, like twice after losses to Connecticut. I think he's a fair weather player in what has been a fair weather bubble screen league. Luck is the most solid guy imaginable, as witnessed by his comments after being denied the Heisman for a second straight year. Put Griffin in Luck's spot and I can almost guarantee some bitterness would have spilled, and been debated.
Griffin throws a lovely deep ball, no denying that. Dropped from the ceiling. But his release lengthens considerably on those throws and occasionally he can't get them off when pressured. The guy is asked to drop back and decipher the middle of the field perhaps 4-5 times per game. Everything else is based off the bubble screen-type plays, slants, and pump and go.
Here's a preseason evaluation of Robert Griffin:
http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress....son-scouting-report-robert-griffin-qb-baylor/
I love preseason ratings, particularly for betting purposes, because they are an absolute gold mine. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. My bowl betting system based on preseason ratings had another big year. In this case Griffin might be better than this guy's assessment, and he later updated it. But it's incredibly foolish to dismiss all the troubling aspects. I warned when we drafted Ronnie Brown that you couldn't obsess over the final games of his career, and combine numbers, while ignoring that great running backs by definition don't become 5th year seniors, players who were rated 2nd round until late their final year. The same holds true for Griffin. This is hardly a huge physical freak like Cam Newton, who I would have traded the world for. Newton started one season and became a revelation. Griffin is a long term known quantity who played early as a freshman and stayed in the lineup other than injury early as a sophomore. In fairness, although Griffin is hardly instinctive in the pocket and gives up far too many cheap sacks for an athlete of his caliber, he improved his escapability and downfield running confidence as this season progressed. After the 2009 injury he was noticeably gun shy in 2010.
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However this season is a little different. It seems that the correct move to make for the phins is so obvious that most everyone has it right. Nevertheless, there seems to be a few bird brains flying around who are a bit lost, so a Get Real thread is in order.
