Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by AZfinfan, Dec 14, 2005.
I say it was a TD what do you think?
Yes definately a TD. Ouch Ronnie you need to watch how you land.
It's close, but it doesn't look as if he has control of the ball as it crosses the goal line
Hard to tell but was NOT a fumble for sure. Big suprise how it was initially called though huh? :yell:
Then he's down by contact.
thats the way I see it if its not a touch down then he is down by contact our ball on the 6 inch line
Oh I'll agree with you on that, but the question was posed as to whether or not it was a touchdown
man i agree ronnie and us are lucky he didn't break his neck!!
The tip of the ball appears to be crossing the plane of the goalline but it's impossible to tell about whether he has control or not without seeing moving pictures (or a detailed series of pictures) of what led up to it.
I like the call to go to the big man, but I hope Ronnie learns get a hole and power thru on goal line plays.
my initial thought from the first replay I saw.....was that the ball was moving slightly (he was losing control) before his head hit the ground. Although the this picture clearly shows his hand still on the ball while his head was down, it doesn't show that the ball wasn't already coming loose before that.
I'm just glad that it didn't wind up costing the Dolphins the game OR me my fantasy matchup (I got destroyed regardless of that play)......otherwise I'm sure I'd 100% sure it was a TD!
Great pic. I think that he did have control when you look at the other angle that they showed on CBS and then see that picture. His hand still had a grasp of the ball. That's still control. Defintely not a fumble. At least we won this game. Hopefully we are stockpiling these bad calls so next year the have to start cashing in our chips and making calls in our favour. We will have a better team next year and be going to the playoffs. With the 60 calls that they have screwed up against us that will make all the close games go in our favour.
I think they should have asked Hadnot (#66)- do you think anyone had a better look than he did?
Your right, if he signalled a Td obviously it was . He is looking right at it. That's awesome. That pic is terrific.
I thought it was, worst case our ball on the 6" line.
My guess, however, is they could not see when/if the ball was already moving on the way down so could not prove the ball was secured and in Ronnie's posession when it hit the ground (the only 'clear' part of the replay) so had to go with the call on the field -- not enough to overturn.
Doesn't mean I like it, but that's what I think happened.
looks like its coming out to me. the one thing i haven't heard much is if he was ever touched by a charger.
yur kidding right?
Its coming out cus the ground caused the "fumble". that is the whole point.
I guess I agree with the call on account of there being not enough evidence. It's just too close.
besides they claim that they had no irrifutable evidence which basically means they dont even know for a fact that it is a fumble or not so they stick to the call. which is BS.
but does the rule apply when you arent touched? like say a QB takes the snap and, falls down and the balls pops out, the play is ruled dead? i wouldnt think so.
i looked at it again. ronnie was not touched
I have the play on tape and all the replays. The ball was clearly across the goal when his head hit. And he had control of the ball all the time until a Quarter second after the ball hit the ground. And he had already been touched by two san diego players. There's no way the ref is going to reverse that call in sandiego, maybe he would of if he said miami's ball on the 6 inch line, only problem is with that is he clearly seen on the replay that the ball was across the goal....so where would of he spotted it.
That was the issue..it was initially called a fumble and even tho in still pics it certainly looks like a TD, that is not the view the refs have....either way, Ronnie needs to be counseled (sp) on carrying the ball in goal-line situations and critical situations...
I TiVoed that thing over and over. I didn't have this angle but the direct reverse angle of this pic clearly shows the ball over the white by about 1/4 ball length. From TiVo only, I had concluded that at the very worst, if not a TD, it should have been ruled down by contact, Miami ball on the inch or two line, 3rd and goal. Even if we didn't score, enough time would have run off from the 2 more pays to have possibly prevented them from scoring the last time, perhaps.
Anyway, this pic proves to me now that it was in fact a TD.
That's when it comes loose, after his hand hits the ground. At that point, play is over, if called right.
maybe not a td but i mean its not a fumble did they have that view during the game
and ronnie please dont get peralized in ur first year ill cry
Where the ball hit the ground you can clearly see it crossed the plane.
Ronnie still had his hand on the football and the ball on the ground with nose across the plane. That is a touchdown.
Ronnie was touched. He should have been down by contact if it wasn't ruled a TD.
no he really wasnt. i've looked at it 5 times now. the only person he touches is hadnot (or whoever was the RG)
Not a TD, but also not a fumble.
Yes. He really was. The Charger guy is laying on him in the picture. How is that not touching him?
I'm watching the replay of it right now and he was touched by two chargers when he first leaped over everyone. It was a Charger player that hit him and caused him to flip.
Im not joking when I say that the refs are making calls to keep the games close. That call was terrible. The "not enough evidence" rule is a HUGE load of BS. Refs need to make the best possible call PERIOD when a play is under review. No falling back on the "not enough evidence" garbage.
here it looks like its over the line
this one is tough to see, but looks like its coming out of his hand
as for him not getting touched:
the lineman to ronnie's 5 o'clock never gets near him and jammer only hits him after the ball is loose as shown by pic #2 with him on his head and the ball coming out
he leaps over the RG and is not touched by the man smothered by the RG, but only hadnot
Those pictures are too small.
If you look closely. You'll see Ronnie jumps over one Charger, he's under the whole pile. That Charger is the one who causes him to flip. The second Charger coming in hit Ronnie's elbow. You can see that when Ronnie's elbow moves.
the guy looks like he's buried under hadnot and the other is not really near him at all. goes to show that 2 people can see 2 different things i guess
btw, how do you make those?
Regardless of whether it was a td or not, Ronnie HAS been talked to by Saban and I'm sure others on the staff about how important possession of the ball is always, but especially near the goal line. It is what Coach Saban talked about in his PC and on his show (more reason to love the guy- always looking for improvement from his players)
Seems like everyone but the refs thought it was including analyst and others.
I use TMPGEnc to cut the exact scene out that I want from the actual video. In this case I used Nublar's highlight. Then I use Video Cleaner Pro to convert it to a gif. Then I use Imageready to touch it up and make the gif run forever.
it wasnt a pass reception, the ball came loose when he hit the ground and all it has to do is touch the line.
I didn't need to see that pic to know it was a TD. But it does confirm it. The ball is clearly breaking the plain. If he had control, which his hand is still on it, Touchdown. If he didn't have control, dead ball. We got screwed on that call, blatantly screwed and everybody knows it.
I would just have to say that it video and/or pictures just did not give enough evidence to reverse the call on the field.
I do think he got the TD, but the video angles were blocked off- making a real good look at what really happened impossible.