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Saban Got Tremendous Value on Roth

Just was looking at some old posts regarding Roth. Everyone said the same thing about him that they are saying about Chris Long. Lets not make the same mistake twice. We need to go with the LT Jake Long. Chris long is more athletic and has a famous dad. Other than that, he is Mott Roth's clone.

Nobody ranked Matt Roth in the top 5 of the draft. A knock on Roth was arm length. I haven't seen that raised for Long.

Clones? No.
 
Just was looking at some old posts regarding Roth. Everyone said the same thing about him that they are saying about Chris Long. Lets not make the same mistake twice. We need to go with the LT Jake Long. Chris long is more athletic and has a famous dad. Other than that, he is Mott Roth's clone.

Matt Roth was never considered a top 3 pick.

Before you start Chanting for Jake Long (6'7" 315lb 5.08 40yrd), just know that he had very comparable numbers to Robert Gallery (6'7" 323lb 4.95 40yrd) who was considered a top 3 pick.
 
I've been as critical as anyone of Roth. I never saw much in him, especially to be considered a 1st rounder by some, thats ridiculous. However, the comparisons with Chris Long are even more ridiculous they are both white, have similar size, and thats where the comparisons end. Anyone thats seen them both play a few times can clearly see a major difference.

Yeah, outside of Long being quicker and faster, with better change of direction skills and longer arms, I'd say they're exactly the same.

I'm with you on Roth, I never saw what all the hype was about. Long is a MUCH better prospect than what Roth ever was.
 
Just was looking at some old posts regarding Roth. Everyone said the same thing about him that they are saying about Chris Long. Lets not make the same mistake twice. We need to go with the LT Jake Long. Chris long is more athletic and has a famous dad. Other than that, he is Mott Roth's clone.

Didn't we just have a a long thread about with the same ridiculous premise you are using?

There is at least a 30 pick difference between where Matt Roth and Chris Long are/were projected to go, everyone knew going in that Matt Roth had short arms, was not the athlete Chris Long is, that he only had a bull rush and would need to develop better passing rushing skills.

These are not comparable players, other than being absolutely different they are clones huh? Oh wait, isn't Matt Roths dad the original lead singer for Van Halen? So they both have famous dads (just kidding).

I will now start a thread talking about how Jake Long is a clone of Robert Gallery and Tony Mandarich, pretty ridiculous huh?

Thanks for playing, don't forget to select a nice parting gift on your way out, bye bye now.
 
Matt Roth was never considered a top 3 pick.

Before you start Chanting for Jake Long (6'7" 315lb 5.08 40yrd), just know that he had very comparable numbers to Robert Gallery (6'7" 323lb 4.95 40yrd) who was considered a top 3 pick.
I believe all players would be comparable to a bust somewhere along the lines. I want dorsey, but matt roth vs chris long, long wins hands down.
 
Not sticking up for Roth...but if he's so bad...why is he still on the roster? Why didn't Parcells cut him? He must have some value to Parcells...for him to still be here...does Parcells believe that Roth can play Linebacker?
 
Just was looking at some old posts regarding Roth. Everyone said the same thing about him that they are saying about Chris Long. Lets not make the same mistake twice. We need to go with the LT Jake Long. Chris long is more athletic and has a famous dad. Other than that, he is Mott Roth's clone.

Woah, I missed where Matt Roth was the best player in the draft. Show me where that was again?

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I'll get a Snickers, I have a feeling I'll be here a while.
 
Matt Roth was never considered a top 3 pick.

Before you start Chanting for Jake Long (6'7" 315lb 5.08 40yrd), just know that he had very comparable numbers to Robert Gallery (6'7" 323lb 4.95 40yrd) who was considered a top 3 pick.

Seems to me that J. Thomas had similar numbers too...and going back a few years...R. Webb at 300 lbs...ran a 4.95...the only difference was Webb was a finese blocker...and couldn't run block worth a hoot.
 
Didn't we just have a a long thread about with the same ridiculous premise you are using?

There is at least a 30 pick difference between where Matt Roth and Chris Long are/were projected to go, everyone knew going in that Matt Roth had short arms, was not the athlete Chris Long is, that he only had a bull rush and would need to develop better passing rushing skills.

These are not comparable players, other than being absolutely different they are clones huh? Oh wait, isn't Matt Roths dad the original lead singer for Van Halen? So they both have famous dads (just kidding).

I will now start a thread talking about how Jake Long is a clone of Robert Gallery and Tony Mandarich, pretty ridiculous huh?

Thanks for playing, don't forget to select a nice parting gift on your way out, bye bye now.

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This is spot on.

I know the thanks button was enacted to cut down on double posts being made BUT this response is well deserving of being highlighted.

Obviously we see unfounded arguments every year against prospects but this Roth/Long deal is one of the worst I've ever seen.
 
I believe all players would be comparable to a bust somewhere along the lines. I want dorsey, but matt roth vs chris long, long wins hands down.

And you can compare any player to a stud. which is exactly the point of this beeing a bad thread.
 
Didn't we just have a a long thread about with the same ridiculous premise you are using?

There is at least a 30 pick difference between where Matt Roth and Chris Long are/were projected to go, everyone knew going in that Matt Roth had short arms, was not the athlete Chris Long is, that he only had a bull rush and would need to develop better passing rushing skills.

These are not comparable players, other than being absolutely different they are clones huh? Oh wait, isn't Matt Roths dad the original lead singer for Van Halen? So they both have famous dads (just kidding).

I will now start a thread talking about how Jake Long is a clone of Robert Gallery and Tony Mandarich, pretty ridiculous huh?

Thanks for playing, don't forget to select a nice parting gift on your way out, bye bye now.


Maybe you had a thread about it, but I didn't.

Look at all the posts about Roth here. Everyone loved him. But he is not a good player. He has not done anything. Every other player that has played opposite JT has had at the least a good season (Armstrong, Aguenlye, Carter). But you know what, we never did a damn thing when we had them either.

You can make the argument for Jake Long all you want. Or maybe he is the next Orlando Pace, or Walter Jones.

Either way, I don't see you sitting up there with Kiper or Mayock or anyone else. You have no expertise to speak of. So for your parting gift I give you a big :smackdown:
 
Matt Roth was rated as a late first rounder in his draft year.

I imagine following the Super Bowl, with the emphasis that will undoubtedly be put on pass rushers, if Matt Roth were in this draft he'd be rated in the top 15, easily.

Conversely, Chris Long wouldn't be rated the top player in Roth's draft.

Long was considering leaving early last year, but he wasn't even going to go in the first round so he chose to stay.

Lucky for him, the Giants D-Line won the Super Bowl.
 
Didn't we just have a a long thread about with the same ridiculous premise you are using?

There is at least a 30 pick difference between where Matt Roth and Chris Long are/were projected to go, everyone knew going in that Matt Roth had short arms, was not the athlete Chris Long is, that he only had a bull rush and would need to develop better passing rushing skills.

These are not comparable players, other than being absolutely different they are clones huh? Oh wait, isn't Matt Roths dad the original lead singer for Van Halen? So they both have famous dads (just kidding).

I will now start a thread talking about how Jake Long is a clone of Robert Gallery and Tony Mandarich, pretty ridiculous huh?

Thanks for playing, don't forget to select a nice parting gift on your way out, bye bye now.

Are you Coral Reefer in disguise? Do you have to attack someone just because they have a different viewpoint than you. Alot of people happen to agree with this view. You don't - big deal - two different opinions - why the attack?

I haven't seen anyone say Chris Long isn't a very good player or won't be a great pro. What people like myself have a problem with is his going #1 overall. We want Miami to get an IMPACT player and some of us don't feel Long is enough of one for the money the #1 pick will make. That's an opinion!
 
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