Merged: Post Game Press Conference

vinivedivichi said:

That's BS. I'm as upset about Gus's ineffectiveness as anybody else, but if Saban doesn't bench him that doesn't mean he's "Coaching scared." You don't know what Saban thinks. You are assuming that he knows that Sage is better, but is scared to play him?? I don't know any more thatn you do, but I am pretty sure that's not the case. As bad as Gus is playing, he's not killing us like our QB's did last year. I think that Saban is hesitant to put in Sage because he knows that those incompletions could easily turn into INT's with a more inexperienced QB.

I'm not defending Gus. If Saban benches him that's great, if not then we'll have to live with him. I just have a problem with you acting like you know exactly what's going on when you don't. Don't jump all over Saban for something he's not even guilty of.

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No, I am not saying that Saban knows Rosenfels is better. If he knew that, he would already be playing. Coaching scared means going with the turd you know, instead of the guy you don't know. What I am saying is that I can guarantee you that Saban does NOT know whether or not Sage Rosenfels is a better game performer than Gus Frerotte.

To go with the guy that has been sucking badly just because you are afraid of rolling the dice on a guy whose success you can't necessarily predict, is COACHING SCARED. The bottom line is, when a guy sucks as badly as Gus has sucked for 7 straight games, you start finding out about those unknowns and that has absolutely nothing to do with "giving up on the season" and everything to do with "trying to win"

Giving up on the season would be putting a guy with little experience out there and living with his performance just for the sake of getting him experience in the hopes that he turns out to eventually be special. I'm not for that right now. I don't want to see Cleo Lemon out there. I think we have an insanely easy schedule, and I think it is time we find out whether or not Sage has what it takes for us to WIN NOW with him under center.

If you don't make an effort to find that out, you are coaching scared.

Bad playcalling and bad thrown. Ronnie and the offense were ready to pound the game tying touchdown in. Wake up Miami!! :fire:

SuperDuperFan said:

gee gus, just because you dont audible the call doesntm mean you force it into double coverage either. the call was a bad one, yes, but lets not forget that frerotte made an awful decision on WHERE to throw the ball.

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The call in itself was not bad. I don't mind when a coordinator errs of the side of being too aggressive. The defense expected a run, and so we called a play-action. Purely from a play-call perspective, that's not a bad play-call.

The problem with the play-call was Linehan should be taking into account Gus Frerotte's inaccuracy, and tendencies to turn the ball over in the red zone, in addition to taking into account the fact that Ricky & Ronnie were running like men possessed all day.

mcteems said:

Bad playcalling and bad thrown. Ronnie and the offense were ready to pound the game tying touchdown in. Wake up Miami!! :fire:

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amen, ronnie was possessed on that drive, the crowd was loving it, he was moving the pile at will and we thorw on 3rd and 2...aggghhh!!!!!!!

Gus is just starting till Lemon is ready to go in a couple of weeks...This is a 16 game pre-season fellas.

I'm too depressed to click anything :'(

Does anyone have a link to the press conference?

ckparrothead said:

No, I am not saying that Saban knows Rosenfels is better. If he knew that, he would already be playing. Coaching scared means going with the turd you know, instead of the guy you don't know. What I am saying is that I can guarantee you that Saban does NOT know whether or not Sage Rosenfels is a better game performer than Gus Frerotte.

To go with the guy that has been sucking badly just because you are afraid of rolling the dice on a guy whose success you can't necessarily predict, is COACHING SCARED. The bottom line is, when a guy sucks as badly as Gus has sucked for 7 straight games, you start finding out about those unknowns and that has absolutely nothing to do with "giving up on the season" and everything to do with "trying to win"

Giving up on the season would be putting a guy with little experience out there and living with his performance just for the sake of getting him experience in the hopes that he turns out to eventually be special. I'm not for that right now. I don't want to see Cleo Lemon out there. I think we have an insanely easy schedule, and I think it is time we find out whether or not Sage has what it takes for us to WIN NOW with him under center.

If you don't make an effort to find that out, you are coaching scared.

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That's just not a good definition of coaching scared. As a coach you have to make a decision as to who gives your team its best chance to win at each position. When players are performing poorly, you don't just replace them with unknowns just because they are unknowns. That is generally not a good coaching philosophy.

If Sage were just lighting the practice field on fire then you would probably have a point. Do you have any reason to believe that? I don't. I have no idea how he looks in practice. The only thing I have to go on is that our coach, whom I think is a very intelligent football person, feels that Gus still gives us our best chance to win. I am comforted by the fact that Saban doesn't give Gus glowing endorsements like Wanny continually did for Jay. He knows Gus is not the answer, but he also feels that Sage could probably be worse.

vinivedivichi said:

When players are performing poorly, you don't just replace them with unknowns just because they are unknowns. That is generally not a good coaching philosophy..

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Yes, you do. And no, it isn't considered to be a poor coaching philosophy.

ckparrothead said:

The call in itself was not bad. I don't mind when a coordinator errs of the side of being too aggressive. The defense expected a run, and so we called a play-action. Purely from a play-call perspective, that's not a bad play-call.

The problem with the play-call was Linehan should be taking into account Gus Frerotte's inaccuracy, and tendencies to turn the ball over in the red zone, in addition to taking into account the fact that Ricky & Ronnie were running like men possessed all day.

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The call in itself WAS bad. You go to your best players at crunch time, and Linehan didn't do that. He went with Gus. And the other problem was that the call didn't appreciate what the players had achieved beforehand. The players were moving down the field without gimmicks, and Linehan called a gimmick play when they needed their BEST play of the game (play-action is a mild gimmick compared to just blowing the ball through there). The call basically said to the players, "I don't care what you've done well and what you've just achieved -- I'm going to call what I want."

That's not how to get a group of men to respond.

shouright said:

The call in itself WAS bad. You go to your best players at crunch time, and Linehan didn't do that. He went with Gus. And the other problem was that the call didn't appreciate what the players had achieved beforehand. The players were moving down the field without gimmicks, and Linehan called a gimmick play when they needed their BEST play of the game (play-action is a mild gimmick compared to just blowing the ball through there). The call basically said to the players, "I don't care what you've done well and what you've just achieved -- I'm going to call what I want."

That's not how to get a group of men to respond.

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You're not comprehending what I am saying.

The problem with Linhan is he doesn't pay attention to the flow of his offense, He seems bent on taking any momenum out of the offense. He doesn't put himself in position to make third own plays by getting positive yards on second down after a good first down play. I'm done with Linehan, this isn't the first game he been horrible at his playcallin'

ckparrothead said:

The call in itself was not bad. I don't mind when a coordinator errs of the side of being too aggressive. The defense expected a run, and so we called a play-action. Purely from a play-call perspective, that's not a bad play-call.

The problem with the play-call was Linehan should be taking into account Gus Frerotte's inaccuracy, and tendencies to turn the ball over in the red zone, in addition to taking into account the fact that Ricky & Ronnie were running like men possessed all day.

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That's exactly the point. Great call for Farve or Manning. HORRIBLE call for Gus with Ronnie running all over the dirty birds.

ckparrothead said:

Yes, you do. And no, it isn't considered to be a poor coaching philosophy.

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Do you honestly believe that? That's very faulty logic, but it 's obviously the same logic you are applying to the Sage/Gus situation.

bigmiamifan said:

That's exactly the point. Great call for Farve or Manning. HORRIBLE call for Gus with Ronnie running all over the dirty birds.

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Yup. I agree. It is a decent call when you're considering the nature of the defense. It is a bad call if you are considering the nature of your own offensive players.

But this has been one of Linehan's weaknesses all year. He pays little heed to the nature of the offense, and pays much more heed to the nature of the defense. This is why you noticed us passing the ball 66% of the time before the Saints game. Linehan loves to take what the defense gives you and exploit it. But he does that at the sacrifice of paying attention to what your offense is and is not good at.