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It would be nice if Cleo lemon was some kind of diamond in the rough..
The top 4 reasons I'm guessing Frerotte won't be back now that we have Mularkey.
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phinfan2003 said:
Kordell Stewart wasn't the most accurate QB either, neither was Maddox.
I just thought of this, do you guys think MM will push to keep Sage, knowing what Sage did to his team this last year in a qtr and a half, do you think MM see the potential there to develope...I mean we've seen MM develope the slash and the present backup for the steelers, I don't think Sage is any less than those 2.
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phinfan2003 said:
Are u serious??? All three of them are downgrades whether they played in Mularkey's system or not. We can't keep settling for one year QBs. We need to bring somebody in that will be here and contribute for the long run. Brooks is at least better than these guys, but i hope he's not the answer. How about Matt Schuab??
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BlueFin said:
Look at the stats of Kordell and Maddox between the years of 2001-2003 and you'll see that their completion percentage was between 57.4 and 60.2. In 2002, remember that Kordell was replaced by Maddux midway through because he was inneffective.
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Are you reading my posts!?!?!?!?! I'm not advocating for any of these guys to be our QB. I was liking this situation to last year's and comparing his accuracy to Frerotte's (Holcomb is more accurate. Not saying he's a better QB though). I know that none of these guys are the long term solution. I was simply presenting the argument that if we're in the market for a vet. QB (and it looks like we are) to be a stop-gap for a year and to mentor a young qb who will be the long-term solution, and (hypothetically) if this said QB has to have experience in MM's offense, the candidates are Holcomb, Maddox, or Stewart.
NO, I"M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO SIGN ONE OF THESE GUYS. THEY ARE NOT THE ANSWER THE SAME WAY I FEEL THAT GUS ISN'T THE ANSWER. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
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How about Jay Fielder, Oh what this is my second post and I dare not risk getting banned so easily! :) Actually In my heart of Hearts I want this time to get a good YOUNG semi experienced QB either in the Draft or FA but not someone who has been a starter and failed..
I know everyone here wants to be in the SuperBowl this year, but while I think it's possible I think its not probable. I think next year with a new offense and a new defensive scheme, and the aging of our defense with the infussion of new younger talent Miami has a more legit shot at the 2007 Season than the 2006. We could be a round two or confrence champ caliber team next year given the right circumstances.
That said I think we need a young gun, to grow into a 5-10 year QB and not some aging veteran looking for play a few more games.
I would be interested in these Qb's that are out there for the right deal
1. Matt Schoob ATL: (Might be spelled wrong in a hurry here) Plenty of Experience, Atheltic, Acurate and great arm strength.
2. Phillip Rivers - Not the strongest Arm, but he's a smart QB with some atheletic skills been in a system similar to ours and has shown great potential in the past. For the right price a good choice.
3. Tim Couch (if we can get him at a cheap cost) though I think hes out since he was avaialbe last year and we didnt make the jump after his visits. (plus had a bad start to his carrer)
IM sure there are more I just want us to grow a QB and not have one hanging around wasting another year than having to step back into a QB..
I know everyone here wants to be in the SuperBowl this year, but while I think it's possible I think its not probable. I think next year with a new offense and a new defensive scheme, and the aging of our defense with the infussion of new younger talent Miami has a more legit shot at the 2007 Season than the 2006. We could be a round two or confrence champ caliber team next year given the right circumstances.
That said I think we need a young gun, to grow into a 5-10 year QB and not some aging veteran looking for play a few more games.
I would be interested in these Qb's that are out there for the right deal
1. Matt Schoob ATL: (Might be spelled wrong in a hurry here) Plenty of Experience, Atheltic, Acurate and great arm strength.
2. Phillip Rivers - Not the strongest Arm, but he's a smart QB with some atheletic skills been in a system similar to ours and has shown great potential in the past. For the right price a good choice.
3. Tim Couch (if we can get him at a cheap cost) though I think hes out since he was avaialbe last year and we didnt make the jump after his visits. (plus had a bad start to his carrer)
IM sure there are more I just want us to grow a QB and not have one hanging around wasting another year than having to step back into a QB..
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FiN.in.RI said:
Maybe he is...when will we find out?
phinfan2003 said:
4.) Linehan is gone yes, but Saban is still here and Frerotte wouldn't have been brought if Saban didn't like him.
3.) Gus has already said he's willing to restructure
2.) If we do implement a new system Gus would be as much in the dark as the rest of the team
1.) Gus's low completion % wasn't strictly his fault there were also a lot of drops
And Saban talked about building on the Chemistry from this year which the offense began to do in the second half so sorry but I gonna have to respectfully disagree. I see Frerotte around for at least one more year regardless of the OC change.
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FiN.in.RI said:
Maybe not as a starter, but I think there is something to be said that Saban gave up a 6th round draft pick for him. Especially since people say he doesn't like to waste draft picks at all. Could be a young solid backup that won't lose a game for you (but probably won't take a team on his back and win it for you either).
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phinfan2003 said:
Buddy I just meant that we need to look for more than a vet QB who knows our OC's system. I know you weren't saying these guys were the answer.
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4. Think back to last year and how cash strapped we were. We needed to sign a QB to compete w/ Feeley and to have a 3rd QB on the team. Frerotte got a big vote of confidence from Linehan, was cheap, and played in our Offense for 3 years. I'm sure all of those things played into Saban "liking him". I'm sure if there was a better QB out there that was cheap, he would have been chosen over Frerotte. Kind of like being drunk in a bar and seeing a chick at the other end that you'd normally wouldn't be with but due to the present circumstances, you may go after her.
3. Frerotte said he would restructure as long as it's "fair". What's fair to one person may not be fair to another. If Frerotte wants to be paid like a starter, I'd say hit the road! But that's just me.
2. Very true. That's why I'm not so sure we should give him a contract for much more than $1M. He could flop and we'd have a backup getting paid like a starter.
1. Frerotte did have a lot of drops. It wasn't all his faults. But he did throw some god-awful passes that were either way overthrown, way underthrown, and sometimes intercepted.
This is just my guess that Frerotte won't be here. I'm hoping that we could find somebody better. I don't think that we can win in the playoffs w/ Frerotte as a QB.
Given he knows the team and Saban, I'd prefer Gus over Brooks, and especially Holcomb and Kitna over the short term. I've never been impressed with Holcomb, his wins are infrequent and while he puts up big numbers occasionally they usually seem to be in losing efforts.
Kind of like being drunk in a bar and seeing a chick at the other end that you'd normally wouldn't be with but due to the present circumstances, you may go after her.
Been there, but I just can't see Saban getting drunk maybe it's the Church thing? Don't get me wrong I would love a strong replacement to Frerotte but I seem him at the least as a back up for one year because of the chemistry he developed this year. Wouldn't you rather have him off the bench then a rookie? I agree that Gus will not take us to the superbowl - I saw some God awful passes yesterday and it was the difference in both games. I wouldn't count out Lemon just yet either. I think Frerotte's situation is a lot like Madison's, if Saban determines he can bring in a suitable replacement it will be done.
Been there, but I just can't see Saban getting drunk maybe it's the Church thing? Don't get me wrong I would love a strong replacement to Frerotte but I seem him at the least as a back up for one year because of the chemistry he developed this year. Wouldn't you rather have him off the bench then a rookie? I agree that Gus will not take us to the superbowl - I saw some God awful passes yesterday and it was the difference in both games. I wouldn't count out Lemon just yet either. I think Frerotte's situation is a lot like Madison's, if Saban determines he can bring in a suitable replacement it will be done.