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trate121hb said:
Hey Boom,

I hate the Seminoles but I love their big 3 this year with Bunkley Sims and Cromartie....I would be ecstatic if we can get Sims in the 1st and a guy like Wroten in the 3rd. My question: Out of those 3 guys who would you want to see in a Fins Uni and why???? And do you think Wroten will be available in the 3rd???? I read an article on him and even though he's had some off field issues...the guy has a world of talent....
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It's really a big four because Kamerion Wimbley could go off the board before any of them and is a very viable proposition for us at pick 16. Ernie is a very good player and whilst he's a tad undersized heightwise for the scheme, there's no arguing with the talent. As for big Claude, I'll be very, VERY suprised if he's on the board at what our pick in R2 was let alone R3.

Who would I want to see? Tough question. Bunkley and Sims probably contribute more in 2006/7. The overall ceiling is higher on Cromartie. Look at the comparisons - tough to do I know, but humour me. Bunkley is, according to Bobby Bowden, himself a pretty shrewd judge of talent, the best DT to come down the pipe in Tallahassee in a decade, which is saying something considering the college career of Andre Wadsworth, Darnell Dockett, Travis Johnson, etc. We look at him as Miami's Richard Seymour if you will. The ability to play DE or NT in a 3-4 and three technique tackle in a 4-3, with pass rush ability. If you run straight at him, then there are problems, but he's had an outstanding offseason and he's as strong as an ox. At times you'd like to see him use his hands better, but he's a heck of a talent. There are some off field issues and injury issues - stealing a video game from Wal Mart and an ACL tear at high school.

Sims' comparison is Derrick Brooks. High School legend, from a football family, he's a huge talent who has played the SLB and the WLB spot. He's very tough and hits like a train. He's quick, strong, has a great motor, rangy, can cover, very quick, plays with a great base, but he can be undisciplined, he can leave cutback lanes open, he can get engulfed at the point and he plays out of control. Again he has issues off the field and with injuries - specifically concussions.

The Cromartie comparison to Deion Sanders was made by Mickey Andrews. I won't be so bold. But the ceiling is huge. I mean huge. Great talent, hugely athletic, great hips, playmaker, aggressive going for the ball, plays the run, very quick, great instincts and anticipation. He's high risk/high reward but I think it's worth it. The injury issues - torn ACL, MCL and torn hamstring - are a concern for sure and he won't contribute much in 2006, but he can be anything you want to be if he 'trains on'.

So take the comparisons for what they're worth and ask yourself 'do you want the next Richard Seymour, the next Derrick Brooks or the next Deion Sanders?' If those comparisons come even remotely close to being fulfilled, then you have to go with Cromartie.
 
ckparrothead said:
All of them.

I'm serious. Every single one of the big FSU guys are fit for our defense. Saban has to be lamenting that they all come out at the same time. Pat Watkins is a safety we're interested in for the 3rd round...and his size and athleticism make him perfect for Saban's D. Antonio Cromartie would be wonderful for this defense, another Ty Law. Kamerion Wimbley, Ernie Sims and Channing Crowder manning the OE, WLB and MLB spots, respectively, would be something that Saban would certainly love to see...once Zach and JT retire, of course. Leon Washington is a guy they are looking at as a possible part-time contributor at tailback...and jack-of-all-trades scat back type with great talent and eyes. Brodrick Bunkley could play Vonnie Holliday's spot, Kevin Carter's spot, or even Keith Traylor's spot. His immediate future would probably be at Holliday's spot.

FSU is just putting out a gaggle of athletes that we could really use on this team. There's not one of them that doesn't fit. I'd say the most unlikely fit would be Sims because even though he'll pack a wallop at 5'11" and 240 pounds, Saban would prefer him to be 3 inches taller.
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Thanks CK. To be honest I thought the same thing. All of the talent would fit in our system nicely. Leon will really be a steal for whoever gets him and that'd be a dream to see him backing up Ronnie. Good to hear your opinion because I went to school there and followed these guys since HS.

P.S. College fans look out for Myron Rolle next year!
 
UF Fin Kat said:
yes, all those great players on FSU, and yet....completely demolished by UF. :D
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come on now we don't want to start an arguement about this in this thread

BTW Miami rules both UF and FSU
 
UF Fin Kat said:
boomer, what's with oakland? they don't really need a QB but there are all these rumors of them trading up to get leinart (doesn't make sense) or young (makes even less sense)...
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Don't see it - certainly won't be Vince Young, if what we're reading is true. They like Leinart, but drafting ANY QB is an admission that they wasted a 3rd rounder last year on a player that will never play, in ASU's Andrew Walter who is highly thought of. I think they would love to get AJ Hawk, Mike Huff, Bunkley, Ngata, Vernon Davis, etc.
 
duss12 said:
I dont really agree with you for the lions they do have Cody who was a second round pick and marcus bell provides nice depth

I would also think he will go to oakland or cleveland
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Not a lot you do agree with me on is there? And if you check, you'll see I mentioned Oakland and Cleveland.

In Detroit, Dan Wilkinson has announced he is set to retire, and I wouldn't call Marcus Bell 'nice depth'. They essentially have Rodgers and Cody, with Jasmin, Pinkney and our own Damian Gregory. That's not 'nice depth'. Especially as Cody and Rodgers can play inside and Bunkley can play out if Marinelli so desires.
 
nick1 said:
come on now we don't want to start an arguement about this in this thread

BTW Miami rules both UF and FSU
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sorry i just couldn't resist, Miami is going nowhere until they drop that zombie-looking ******* Coker. UF is only getting better with Meyer and FSU, I don't know where to them put them right now. It's all about Tim Tebow soon enough. Go Gators
 
Bradical said:
sorry i just couldn't resist, Miami is going nowhere until they drop that zombie-looking ******* Coker. UF is only getting better with Meyer and FSU, I don't know where to them put them right now. It's all about Tim Tebow soon enough. Go Gators
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hate the gators and i hate the noles....lol


but give me chad jackson wimbley bunkley cromartie or sims

wow....cant believe im saying this but the talent is undeniable....

BTW Canes will be back on top soon.....
 
Hey CK and Boomer With the 16th pick of the first round the Miami Dolphins select OLB Bobby Carpenter from THE Ohio State University. :tongue:
 
Winbaby#23 said:
Hey CK and Boomer With the 16th pick of the first round the Miami Dolphins select OLB Bobby Carpenter from THE Ohio State University. :tongue:
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are you miss cleo? :lol: not even Saban knows who we will draft yet but I'd be very happy with Carpenter
 
Trekbiz said:
Ck now that your here I'd be interested on your take on Harrington as well.

We got Boom's take (much appreciated there Boom) do you have anything to add on why Harrington has had problems adjusting to the NFL?

Product of Detroit, Detroits system, supporting crew in Detroit, Lack of tools, Mental problems in ability to read defenses in the NFL.... etc.?
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He's a falling star, and I'm never hot on falling stars. I'm just not convinced they work out for you very often. You just need to look at the price we're acquiring him for to see what kind of value he has to the NFL. A future 6th. That says it all. He's Cade McNown. He's Jim Druckenmiller.

That's my honest opinion. I agree that he may not be as fit for the WCO as people once thought (although I can't for the life of me figure out why...he's book smart, he doesn't have a top arm, he can move around pretty well). That may just mean he's not really fit for any offense, however. He concerns me with how he showed up to the Phins facility looking like a wreck, according to our local Pro Shop poster. He was skinny as Brodie Croyle, unshaven, looked disinterested in being anywhere but in bed. Detroit took its toll on the man. People who live in the area have reported that as Detroit's ship continued to sink further so too did Joey's appearance. I'm genuinely concerned that he's just not even going to be fully committed to football, fully committed to being the best he could be. He may be fighting depression for all we know.

Cleo Lemon has a legitimate shot of just plain beating him for the position in training camp, especially with the physicals that Cleo can flash. They will look for the way each QB is able to handle the huddle, handle the teammates, run the offense. Right now odds are that Joey would win the battle, because for one thing he's better at avoiding the sack...which is important to this offensive playbook. He had years in Detroit where he took practically no sacks behind a less than stellar offensive line. He's got the pocket awareness to throw the ball away. In that way he's similar to Gus, but without the arm to push the ball downfield constantly.

Remember, Gus did this (extended the defense vertically) with pass ATTEMPTS, not completions. His constant deep attempts forced a defense to play honest, even if he was not accurate enough to complete them...because he had the arm to get it down there in a hurry and we had a few receivers who could be relied on to catch it down there if the ball was on target. Defenders are not, and never will be comfortable leaving the vertical areas undefended based on the leap of faith that the guy hefting the ball may be able to throw it a mile but he'll never throw it accurate enough.

As an aside, this is where I'm at least partly worried about Mike Mularkey's being in charge of this playbook. This playbook was designed to take constant deep shots as a method of keeping a D honest, even if it meant not completing those passes. It required faith. The points would eventually flow from the sheer amount of space that you forced the D to defend. I don't think Mularkey is committed to that philosophy. I think he's more focused on the here and now, moving the chains, etc...and that will cause the defense to compress their area of defense. Recent comments from him saying that he believes we'll shift away from using the deep pass as the sole means of attacking a defense have made me concerned that he just doesn't "get it" the way Linehan did.

Now, all that said, his game play in Detroit was probably no worse than Gus Frerotte's game play at times in 2005 and we managed to win some games there. I'm just hoping that Daunte will stay relatively healthy in 2006 and that Mularkey won't ruin him by running Scott Linehan's playbook but running it all wrong like Steve Loney did last year in Minnesota.

The move was good for only one reason in my eyes...that being that evidently the Broncos were indeed willing to pay more than we were for Joey, but we seem to have managed to get him by recruiting him the way a college coach would recruit a high school player. We'll get Joey for a future 6th, and if he doesn't fall flat on his face in 2006 (which is a good possibility that we must be aware of), then we will probably recover that 6th in the 2007 draft from the Broncos or someone else.

Still, keep an eye on Cleo. Actions speak louder than words. The fact that the Dolphins sat on their haunches until now with the primary backup QB position even knowing that there was a good chance Daunte misses a SIGNIFICANT amount of time in 2006, to me that means they have confidence in Cleo. To me it means they look at the situation and say you know, it wouldn't be the end of the world if this Daunte injury gets Cleo a little playing time because he looks good to us and if he looks good on camera then we get to sell him off for a nice draft pick. In that way, the Joey Harrington/Cleo Lemon competition can be construed as a win-win. If Cleo beats Joey and gets some good face time then HE is the guy we'll package off for picks. If Joey wins (as he should) and looks good (questionable) then we could package him off. Of course, there's always a lose scenario. Cleo could be the next Ray Lucas, great in practice and CRAP in games...and if that is the case AND Joey turns out to be the dud that I'm nearly positive he is, then we're in some trouble.
 
Safeties

A number of the analysts seem to think the Dolphins' biggest need is Safety, "a quarterback for the defense". Saban has always put a premium on safeties who can tackle well. Of the top Safeties/potential Safeties in the draft (Donte Whitner, Darnell Bing, Jason Allen, Ko Simpson & Jimmy Williams) which are the best best tacklers and which ones are poor tacklers? I'm assuming Huff will be long gone.
 
EireTiger said:
A number of the analysts seem to think the Dolphins' biggest need is Safety, "a quarterback for the defense". Saban has always put a premium on safeties who can tackle well. Of the top Safeties/potential Safeties in the draft (Donte Whitner, Darnell Bing, Jason Allen, Ko Simpson & Jimmy Williams) which are the best best tacklers and which ones are poor tacklers? I'm assuming Huff will be long gone.
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Whitner and Allen are great tacklers, Simpson as well is pretty good. Bing and Williams are kill shot artists who miss too many tackles.
 
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