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Which QB will be the new Beast in the East.

nyjunc said:
They beat the Saints who were coming off their first EVER playoff win then they beat the Packers. Let's not act like they beat quality teams. They beat typical weak NFC teams that would never make the playoffs in the AFC then followed it up w/ stinkers the following week against better teams(although the Giants weren't much better).

Dude, they were in the NFC, they had no choice but to play NFC teams.

nyjunc said:
The Giants played a creampuff sched, they only played a few good teams and lost to them. It helped having Ari, Was and Dal in their div. Ari was 29th in points scored, Was 24th, Dal was 23rd and it's not like Philly was great as they were mid of the pack. The only winning team the Giants beat was Philly and they owned Philly in thoe days. Thye played Tennessee and gave up 28 pts in a big L, they gave up 38 pts at home to SL when SL didn't have warner or Faulk, they gave up 31 at home to Detroit. They beat NO ONE that year.

Blah, blah, blah..... more excuses for your arguments not holding up. Philly was mid-pack? Since when is 11-5 mid-pack? You are just making crap up as you go along.

nyjunc said:
As for NO, that "great" D that was # 5 from week 12 on gave up 31, 24, 28, 27, 7, 26, 28 and 34. Take away 1 week of 7 points(that was against the 4-12 Falcons) and they gave up an average of 28 pts a game from week 12 on. What a might D:lol:

Is this your style? Pick the games that fit your position and ignore the rest. You claimed that NO had a crappy D. The fact is that the allowed the 5th fewest points in the NFC. You were wrong. Get over it.


nyjunc said:
Which is the same team that gave up 33 pts/gm the previous 7 weeks prior to the Viking game. By the way, from week 11 to week 16 Car scored 20, 20, 16, 14, 20, 20 oh and Carolina AVERAGED 20 pts a game for thes eason. This was not a high powered Car O. They only scored over 30 once all year. Contrast that w/ Minny who averaged 26 PPG and had just scored 45 the week before. Car averaged 20 and scored 20 against Ari, Minny averaged 26 and scored 17.

My point was that in the NFL, anything can happen. The lowly Cardinals played the eventual SB representative from the NFC tough. It is illogical to define a team or a player by selective games. You need to look at their total performance, good and bad.

Wait, Minn averaged 26 points per week? Who the hell was the QB? He must be fantastic....:sidelol:

nyjunc said:
I went through every game against playoff teams and showed you. Just b/c the D gives up 25+ doesn't always mean the D played poorly, alot of that had to do w/ turnovers or the O not scoring.

You simply made excuses for every bad game the Viking defense had, nothing more. History clearly shows that the Vikings were among the best in points scored and the worst in points allowed. None of the other nonsense you are spewing changes those FACTS. The Vikings were strong on offense and weak on defense. You like to claim that Culpepper's stats are inflated by playing bad teams. Shouldn't the same be true of the Vikings defense? Are you now going to claim that every bad team the Vikings played had a great offfense and crappy defense? Where does this nonsense end?

nyjunc said:
Once again I do not care about meaningless fantasy stats, the #s that count to me are wins and losses and the Jets have more wins and more playoff appearances in that stretch in a MUCH tougher division and conference.

Wins and losses are a team statistic. A QB can only control his play. Culpepper's play is among the best in the NFL. That is not changed by the defense giving up boat loads of points.

nyjunc said:
It's a wash, he beat 2 and lost to 2 and 3 of those 4 would NOT have been playof teams in the AFC. I did mention the playoff games in my breakdown.

You mentioned playoff games in your breakdown, but purposely left off games when the offense played well. Claiming they scored 34 points in the "four most important games" in ridiculous. He played in 4 playoff games and you left out the scores from the two victories. WTF?

nyjunc said:
He's been there TWICE! by that logic the Jets are better than teams like Pitt and Dal since e have a better SB win %. Manning has been to the playoffs 6 times playing in much tougher divisions and a much tougher conference. He has run into the Patriots and Steelers times. That's not quite like running into the Giants.

More excuses for your logic failing you. Manning is 3-6 in the playoffs. You are the one that is pinning losses totally on the QB. Manning has been to the playoffs regularly since the reallignment put the Colts in with the mighty Texans and Jaguars and now the mighty Titans. Every one of your arguments blows up in your face. The Colts are the biggest beneficiaries in the league of playing in a weak division. Only three of the losses were against the Patriots and Steelers.

nyjunc said:
You were NEVER in the race, 1 game is very misleading. You started to win some games late when yo were out of ti and NE didn't even play in Week 17. They drop kicked an XP w/ a backup QB, that should tell you how serious they were taking the game.

Every one of your arguments has a slew of caveats and built in excuses. Your argument is so full of holes, you should be called swiss cheese.

You claim that Culpepper could score against "playoff teams". When I point out 31, and 34 points in the playoffs......oh, not those playoff teams, they were crappy playoff teams. In your twisted logic every team the the Vikings were able to beat must have been crappy.

Every team that the Vikings beat when Culpepper was QB was a crappy team. Every time they lost, it was all on Culpepper. Ridiculous.

Culpepper was only able to play against the teams on his schedule. So far in his career he has put up HOF numbers. If he continues at that pace, the Fins will be legit SB candidates and he will go to the HOF.
 
Blah, blah, blah..... more excuses for your arguments not holding up. Philly was mid-pack? Since when is 11-5 mid-pack? You are just making crap up as you go along.

Mid of the pack in O.

Is this your style? Pick the games that fit your position and ignore the rest. You claimed that NO had a crappy D. The fact is that the allowed the 5th fewest points in the NFC. You were wrong. Get over it.

5th fewest in the NFC, 10th in the NFL BUT they were giving up 28 a game from week 12 on. Their D was like the Daunte of D's, good overall #s but in the biggest games they fell flat.

Wait, Minn averaged 26 points per week? Who the hell was the QB? He must be fantastic....

Then look at what he did in the biggest game of the year(here;s a hint, I led Minny to as many points).

You simply made excuses for every bad game the Viking defense had, nothing more. History clearly shows that the Vikings were among the best in points scored and the worst in points allowed. None of the other nonsense you are spewing changes those FACTS. The Vikings were strong on offense and weak on defense. You like to claim that Culpepper's stats are inflated by playing bad teams. Shouldn't the same be true of the Vikings defense? Are you now going to claim that every bad team the Vikings played had a great offfense and crappy defense? Where does this nonsense end?

We went over every game against playoff teams, the D came out looking better. Sometimes #s lie, it's not a D's fault if their O keeps turning it over and can't score in big spots.

Wins and losses are a team statistic. A QB can only control his play. Culpepper's play is among the best in the NFL. That is not changed by the defense giving up boat loads of points.

QBs are defined by Wins and Losses.

You mentioned playoff games in your breakdown, but purposely left off games when the offense played well. Claiming they scored 34 points in the "four most important games" in ridiculous. He played in 4 playoff games and you left out the scores from the two victories. WTF?

The 2 playoff losses nd the 2 other reg season games needed to get into the playoffs. Those are the 4 most important. Playing 2 crappy NFC teams in the playoffs is not as big as the title game, the game at Philly or games trying to get in.

More excuses for your logic failing you. Manning is 3-6 in the playoffs. You are the one that is pinning losses totally on the QB. Manning has been to the playoffs regularly since the reallignment put the Colts in with the mighty Texans and Jaguars and now the mighty Titans. Every one of your arguments blows up in your face. The Colts are the biggest beneficiaries in the league of playing in a weak division. Only three of the losses were against the Patriots and Steelers.

He's gotten there SIX times!!!! twice as a member of the best div in football(the AFC east) then after that still in a much tougher div than the NFC North. Since '02 thr AFC South ha had 7 playoff teams and in that same span the NFC North has had 5- which was tougher?

You claim that Culpepper could score against "playoff teams". When I point out 31, and 34 points in the playoffs......oh, not those playoff teams, they were crappy playoff teams. In your twisted logic every team the the Vikings were able to beat must have been crappy.

you might want to read my post. I gave him crdit when he played well against playoff teams and I gave the D credit when they played well. The D came up 1 game better.

Every team that the Vikings beat when Culpepper was QB was a crappy team. Every time they lost, it was all on Culpepper. Ridiculous.

Show me where I said that?

Culpepper was only able to play against the teams on his schedule. So far in his career he has put up HOF numbers. If he continues at that pace, the Fins will be legit SB candidates and he will go to the HOF.

he's had 3 good to great years and 3 bad to medicore years- the hall is not calling for Captain Stubing.
 
I'd say give up a 2nd rounder for Culpepper and then pick up Tommy Maddox or Harrington as a free agent.
 
jay still got you there 2 of 4 times and WON you your only AFC East Title since '95 while daunte in a MUCH weaker div and conf has only made it twice in his career.

Jay has also only won the division once, and made the playoffs twice in his career.


yeah and the "grat" dolphin D had nothing to do w/ those losses, it was all on Jay?

That’s hilarious!. When Culpepper has one bad game against the Giants (as a rookie) you blame it all on him. When Jay plays bad in all of his playoff games you say it’s the defense. :lol: Let’s look at the kind of defense Jay had compared to the kind of defense Culpepper had.

In 2000 when Jay made the playoffs the Dolphins Defense ranked 6th in the NFL and had 5 pro bowlers on defense.

In 2000 when Culpepper made the playoffs the Vikings defense ranked 29th and had no pro bowlers on defense.

In 2001 when Jay made the playoffs the Dolphins defense ranked 5th and had 2 pro bowlers on defense.

In 2004 when Culpepper made the playoffs the Vikings defense ranked 28th and had 1 pro bowler on defense.

Since Culpepper became the QB in 2000 the Vikings have not finished above 25th in team defense.

Since Fiedler became the QB in 2000 the Dolphins have finished below 6th only one time in 2003, and they were ranked 11th.

That’s a big difference in team defense. Despite the bad defense Culpepper has managed to put up an even record in the playoffs and very good #’s. Jay on the other hand has a losing record in the playoffs, and terrible #’s.


As for Jay leading his team to the playoffs in a tougher division, let’s look at each division and how they finished.




In 2000 NFC Central

Minnesota Vikings 11 5 0

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10 6

Green Bay Packers 9 7

Detroit Lions 9 7

Chicago Bears 5 11



2000 AFC EAST


Miami Dolphins 11 5

Indianapolis Colts 10 6

New York Jets 9 7

Buffalo Bills 8 8

New England Patriots 5 11

Both Fiedler and Culpepper won their divisions at 11-5. The NFC Central division had 4 teams at 9-7 or better, and the AFC EAST had 3 teams at 9-7 or better. So, the NFC Central was actually the stronger division that year.


The following year in 2001 the NFC Central had three teams finish 9-7 or better, and the AFC EAST had three teams finish at 9-7 or better. So, that year both divisions were close to the same, but the North division gets the edge since the top teams had better records than the EAST top teams did.

In 2002 the East had one team make the playoffs (NYJ at 9-7). The NFC North also had one team make the playoffs
(GB at 12-4) Even though both divisions had only one team make the playoffs, I am going to give the EAST the edge this year because they had 3 teams finish at 9-7, and the North had GB at 12-4. Other than GB the other teams finished below.500

In 2003 the EAST had two teams above .500 the Pats at 14-2, and the Phins at10-6. The NFC North also had only two teams above .500 GB at 10-6 and Min at 9-7. Since the Pats won the SB that year, the East gets the Edge.

In 2004 Both the NFC NORTH and AFC EAST had 2 teams make the playoffs. NE won the Super Bowl again, so the East gets the edge.

2005 The NFC NORTH teams finished 11-5, 9-7, 5-11, and 4-12. The AFC EAST teams finished 10-6, 9-7, 5-11, and 4-12. So, the NORTH Teams won 1 more game than the EAST teams did.

As you can see the AFC EAST and NFC NORTH are not as far apart as you make it out to be. Despite terrible team defense, Culpepper has managed 2 playoff wins, and has made it to the NFC title game.

I never said Jay was great just that he manages to win games. Do me a favor and look up Miami '00-'03 w/ jay and their record when he was hurt and then look up the Vikes '01-'05 w/ and w/o daunte and let me know what you find.

Jay has won one playoff game and that came in spite of his bad play. Jay wins games? Apparently not big games. As for the Phins record when Jay was hurt,
there are too many factors to say the only reason the Phins lost without Jay was because Jay did not play. When a QB goes down due to injury the team can react in two ways. They can get a spark because they believe in the backup, or they can get down because they don’t. We had Ray Lucas as our backup; not exactly the kind of QB a team rallies behind.







 
nyjunc said:
Mid of the pack in O.

You might want to check that again. There were only 7 teams in the league that scored significantly more points.

nyjunc said:
5th fewest in the NFC, 10th in the NFL BUT they were giving up 28 a game from week 12 on. Their D was like the Daunte of D's, good overall #s but in the biggest games they fell flat.

But, but, but.......

nyjunc said:
We went over every game against playoff teams, the D came out looking better. Sometimes #s lie, it's not a D's fault if their O keeps turning it over and can't score in big spots.

And sometimes the O not scoring is not the fault of the QB. Sometimes the D can't get the other team off of the field. Sometimes the running game fails. Sometimes the OL isn't getting the job done. Why do you not allow for anything other than Culpepper sucked it up?

nyjunc said:
QBs are defined by Wins and Losses.

By you, not by me.

nyjunc said:
The 2 playoff losses nd the 2 other reg season games needed to get into the playoffs. Those are the 4 most important. Playing 2 crappy NFC teams in the playoffs is not as big as the title game, the game at Philly or games trying to get in.

So the final game of the regular season is more important than a playoff game? :goof:


nyjunc said:
Show me where I said that?

You implied it with every post.
 
Jay has also only won the division once, and made the playoffs twice in his career.

true but 2 out of 4 years as a starter is better than 2 out of 6, isn't it? add in the divisions each played in and it is heavily in favor of Jay.

That’s hilarious!. When Culpepper has one bad game against the Giants (as a rookie) you blame it all on him. When Jay plays bad in all of his playoff games you say it’s the defense

Look at the post where I went trhough every game they played against playoff teams. The D defintiely shares the blame for the giant game but there's still no excuse to post a 13 rating and get shutout.

In 2000 when Jay made the playoffs the Dolphins Defense ranked 6th in the NFL and had 5 pro bowlers on defense.

Pro Bowlers are meaningless, Jay did a throw the big pick to Tory james in the Oak game but the D then gave up 13 more in the 1st half to go into the LR down 20.

In 2000 when Culpepper made the playoffs the Vikings defense ranked 29th and had no pro bowlers on defense.

Again, look at my posts where I go through all his games against playoff teams(it should be w/in a page or 2 on this thread).

In 2001 when Jay made the playoffs the Dolphins defense ranked 5th and had 2 pro bowlers on defense.

Then you ran into a REAL great D in Baltimore and w/ Bal's bad O your "great" D gave up 20 pts at home. TERRY ALLEN ran for over 100 on your D.

The following year in 2001 the NFC Central had three teams finish 9-7 or better, and the AFC EAST had three teams finish at 9-7 or better. So, that year both divisions were close to the same, but the North division gets the edge since the top teams had better records than the EAST top teams did.

How does the Cent get the edge when both divs had 3 playoff teams but the SB Champions came out of the East?

In 2002 the East had one team make the playoffs (NYJ at 9-7). The NFC North also had one team make the playoffs
(GB at 12-4) Even though both divisions had only one team make the playoffs, I am going to give the EAST the edge this year because they had 3 teams finish at 9-7, and the North had GB at 12-4. Other than GB the other teams finished below.500

Not only did the East have all 4 teams at least at .500 but the divisions played each other that year and the AFC east was 11-5 against the NFC North(NYJ, NE and Buf all 3-1 while Mia was 2-2) AND in Week 17 the div Champs met up. 12-3 GB vs. 8-7 NYJ and the Jets humiliated the Packers 42-17 when GB was playing for homefield throughout the NFC playoffs. '02 was a HUGE egde for the AFC east.

As you can see the AFC EAST and NFC NORTH are not as far apart as you make it out to be. Despite terrible team defense, Culpepper has managed 2 playoff wins, and has made it to the NFC title game.

The divisions haven't been close and let's not forget the records in the NFC get inflated since they play 12 of 16 games against NFC teams.

Jay has won one playoff game and that came in spite of his bad play. Jay wins games? Apparently not big games. As for the Phins record when Jay was hurt,

Jay was 2-2 getting you to the playoffs and would probably be 4-0 if he hadn't missed games in '02 and '03 that you lost while he was out. No he's not a winner in the playoffs BUt he got you there which is something Vikings fans can rarely say about daunte.

there are too many factors to say the only reason the Phins lost without Jay was because Jay did not play. When a QB goes down due to injury the team can react in two ways. They can get a spark because they believe in the backup, or they can get down because they don’t.

So Minny got a spark when daunte went down and Miami got down b/c they didn't believe in their backups?
 
You might want to check that again. There were only 7 teams in the league that scored significantly more points.

They were 12th in pts which is mid of the pack and those #s are skewed as they did most of their scoring against dreadful teams.

41 against 5-11 Dallas, 38 against 4-12 Atl, 33 & 34 against 3-13 Ari, 35 against 3-13 Cle. Philly was NOt a good team that year, they were an up and coming team that won as many games as they did b/c they had gimme's against Ari, Dal and Wash.

But, but, but.......


But, but, but....... I PROVED MY POINT.

And sometimes the O not scoring is not the fault of the QB. Sometimes the D can't get the other team off of the field. Sometimes the running game fails. Sometimes the OL isn't getting the job done. Why do you not allow for anything other than Culpepper sucked it up?

Ok so when they do well it's b/c of daunte but when he chokes in big spots it's b/c of the running game or OL?

By you, not by me.

By history.

So the final game of the regular season is more important than a playoff game?

yes when you need it to get in and the 2 playoff wins came against jokes of teams. Getting into the playofs can be harder than winning a 1st rd playoff game.
 
nyjunc said:
41 against 5-11 Dallas, 38 against 4-12 Atl, 33 & 34 against 3-13 Ari, 35 against 3-13 Cle. Philly was NOt a good team that year, they were an up and coming team that won as many games as they did b/c they had gimme's against Ari, Dal and Wash.


Here we go again. Every time one of your claims get shot down, you roll out the excuses and rationaizations......

Do you honestly believe that the Colts, or Patriots score the same number of points against every team they play? Don't all teams score more of their points against bad teams? You make absolutely no sense at all.

nyjunc said:
But, but, but....... I PROVED MY POINT.

You proved nothing except you are biased and are unconcerned about rolling out rationalizations that are baseless and illogical.


nyjunc said:
Ok so when they do well it's b/c of daunte but when he chokes in big spots it's b/c of the running game or OL?

Sometimes yes, soometimes no. IMO, more often yes.

nyjunc said:
By history.

??? That makes no sense.

nyjunc said:
yes when you need it to get in and the 2 playoff wins came against jokes of teams. Getting into the playofs can be harder than winning a 1st rd playoff game.

I'm done. It's not possible to have a debate with someone who is utterly illogical and totally biased.

Let's get the season started so the Fins can stomp the Jets. Get your excuses ready for when Culpepper rolls over your defense.
 
Here we go again. Every time one of your claims get shot down, you roll out the excuses and rationaizations......

I roll out FACTS! You might just look at stats and accept them at face value(which is why you think daunte is great) but I dig deeper.

Do you honestly believe that the Colts, or Patriots score the same number of points against every team they play? Don't all teams score more of their points against bad teams? You make absolutely no sense at all.

The #s aren't disproportionate like they were w/ Philly in '00. Philly beat up the bad teams scoring over 30 against all of thsoe teams I mentioned yet not scoring 30 once against anyone else. Indy last year was held to 13 by a bad Cle team and scored 40 against NE. They didn't just beat up bad teams and struggle vs. good.

??? That makes no sense.

It makes plenty of sense, the guys thought of as the best ever were winners, not all won SBs but they got them to SBs and to the playoffs consistently. History defines great QBs by how much they won, it's why Dan isn't considered the best QB ever.

It's not possible to have a debate with someone who is utterly illogical and totally biased.

Are you reading my mind? All I have done is shatter every argument you have, it's not like I am just syaing it I am backing it up.

Let's get the season started so the Fins can stomp the Jets. Get your excuses ready for when Culpepper rolls over your defense.

like you stomped our 3rd and 4th stringers at home last year?:sidelol:
 
Jay was 2-2 getting you to the playoffs and would probably be 4-0 if he hadn't missed games in '02 and '03 that you lost while he was out. No he's not a winner in the playoffs BUt he got you there which is something Vikings fans can rarely say about daunte.
In my opinion, missing the playoffs, and getting blown out in the first round is just as bad as missing the playoffs. Like you said before:

QBs cannot be great until they do something in the playoffs

Jay has performed horrible in the playoffs. The defense did not throw 3 picks against the Colts, or three against the Raiders. Jay posted a 44.4 QB rating in a win. He followed that performance up with a 0 TD 3 INT 28.7 QB rating against the Raiders. The Dolphins defense was much, much better than the Vikings, yet Fielder got shutout and posted a QB rating not much better than Culpepper’s (when he was a rookie).

Pro Bowlers are meaningless


I would not say they are meaningless. You can only make it to the Pro Bowl if your NFL peers, and fans think you played well enough to deserve it. In 2000 the Dolphins had 5 people on the defense that other NFL coaches, and players thought were playing at the top of their game. Yet, Jay performed terrible in the playoffs. You can say the defense was part of it, but unless the defense pitched a shutout in 2 of the three playoff games we played, we had no chance to win. Jay put up 0 points in one playoff game, and 3 in the other.


I could keep bringing up stats and show you where Jay has failed as a QB, but the best thing I can say is I have seen him play every season. I watched his bad QB play for years. Yes, we won some games with Jay, but believe me when I say it was not because of Jay, it was in spite of Jay. In my opinion Culpepper is one of the best QB’s in the League. I am not saying that based on stats alone. I also have seen him play. He can throw the deep ball, and he throws with accuracy. There is a reason he gets paid the big bucks. I know you have a different opinion, but we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
nyjunc said:
I roll out FACTS! You might just look at stats and accept them at face value(which is why you think daunte is great) but I dig deeper.

History clearly shows that the Vikings were among the best in points scored and the worst in points allowed. Period.

Everything you have tried to counter with is nonsense.
 
In my opinion, missing the playoffs, and getting blown out in the first round is just as bad as missing the playoffs. Like you said before:

You did win a game w/ Jay, you only went out in rd 1 once.

Jay has performed horrible in the playoffs. The defense did not throw 3 picks against the Colts, or three against the Raiders. Jay posted a 44.4 QB rating in a win. He followed that performance up with a 0 TD 3 INT 28.7 QB rating against the Raiders. The Dolphins defense was much, much better than the Vikings, yet Fielder got shutout and posted a QB rating not much better than Culpepper’s (when he was a rookie).

go ahead and blame it all on jay but why dod you lose your 2 previous div rd games w/ Marino by a combined 100-10? and why couldn't you win a div title in the last years of marino and won one w/ Jay?

I would not say they are meaningless. You can only make it to the Pro Bowl if your NFL peers, and fans think you played well enough to deserve it. In 2000 the Dolphins had 5 people on the defense that other NFL coaches, and players thought were playing at the top of their game.

It's all on reputation, if you havea good repuation you make it and the Phins D played well in the pre-PB vote portion of the year then struggled late in the reg season and were humiliated annually in the playoffs.

I could keep bringing up stats and show you where Jay has failed as a QB, but the best thing I can say is I have seen him play every season. I watched his bad QB play for years. Yes, we won some games with Jay, but believe me when I say it was not because of Jay, it was in spite of Jay.

I'm not saying Jay was a great QB but he got you to the playoffs which is something Daunte struggled to do. Once again please look up the dolphins record w/ and w/o Fiedler from '00-'03 and the Vikes record w/ and w/o daunte from '01-'05.
 
Ace88 said:
I don't think this thread will ever stop. :lol:
It should though....

The best Q.B. in the AFC East is also the best player in the game...Tom Brady....by a WIDE margin.

Daunte Culpepper is 2nd and to argue that point is rediculous. He is head and shoulders better then anything the Jets and the Bills trot out there...watching Jets fans argue THAT point is funny.

Not funny "ha-ha" but funny as in "sad". Denial can be ugly. The Dolphins have an accompolished National Football League quarterback. A guy who has been to Pro Bowls, had one of the 10 greatest seasons of any Q.B. to ever play the sport, has a 90+ Q.B. rating and is a 64% passer.

I like Pat Ramsey and I think in a year or two he'll turn into a steal for the Jets. It will take some time to make him forget what Spurrier did to him...if he ever does. He is not on Daunte's level though.

The Bills have Losman. No explanation is needed.
 
unifiedtheory said:
It should though....

The best Q.B. in the AFC East is also the best player in the game...Tom Brady....by a WIDE margin.

Daunte Culpepper is 2nd and to argue that point is rediculous. He is head and shoulders better then anything the Jets and the Bills trot out there...watching Jets fans argue THAT point is funny.

Not funny "ha-ha" but funny as in "sad". Denial can be ugly. The Dolphins have an accompolished National Football League quarterback. A guy who has been to Pro Bowls, had one of the 10 greatest seasons of any Q.B. to ever play the sport, has a 90+ Q.B. rating and is a 64% passer.

I like Pat Ramsey and I think in a year or two he'll turn into a steal for the Jets. It will take some time to make him forget what Spurrier did to him...if he ever does. He is not on Daunte's level though.

The Bills have Losman. No explanation is needed.

The only team right now in the AFC East with room to talk crap is the Pat's, Brady is head and shoulders above all the others right now, but this is a new year, anything can happen.
 
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