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Is Saban building a possible dynasty?

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Phin-o-rama said:
if i were you i would be clinging to the same argument as you are, its a scary prospect for years to come for our division rivals if all plays out the way saban and co. are leading us....and you know it.
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I think he has already aknowledged that.

Look, I believe the thing that could make a huge difference for D-Pepp is the coaching staff and not just the talent around him, but the type of personell around him. He won't have to be the big man on campus (He is a BIG dude though). If he does his part to run the system, other things will fall into place.
He has very solid WR's, a great recieving TE, Ronnie Brown (And Ricky is innocent till proven guilty), he has THE BEST OL Coach in the NFL, and a very solid Defense. He is just one piece of the puzzle. Saban will be sure to remind him of that, let him worry about his part and let the other guys do theirs... I believe in this, and I believe in Saban. D-Pepp is a HUGE improvement over any QB we have had since Dan left.PERIOD
 
nyjunc said:
bledsoe is the guy that held back Dallas last year, he started off well but tailed off and single handedly cost them at least 2-3 games. I believe if dal had a better QB, a decent QB, they would have made the SB last year.
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Actually, Dallas' offensive line was playing great for the first 9 games. Then they started to mix different packages in the middle of the season, and forgot to protect the QB first. Drew Bledsoe was having MVP talks when he was 7-2, then the offensive line broke on him.

With the addition of Terrell Owens, he will pass the 50,000 yard mark. Terrell and Terry = crazy.
 
nyjunc said:
The actual deal itself wasn't bad but getting Daunte was. I do not believe he is a winning QB and you are trying to win w/ him. I could be proven wrong but so far in his career he has not been a winner and everything I have seen from him in big games makes me find it hard to believe he will turn that around and become a winner.
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Not sure I understand you here. So you think Daunte is a loser QB because he has not won a superbowl??
 
Vertical Limit said:
Actually, Dallas' offensive line was playing great for the first 9 games. Then they started to mix different packages in the middle of the season, and forgot to protect the QB first. Drew Bledsoe was having MVP talks when he was 7-2, then the offensive line broke on him.

With the addition of Terrell Owens, he will pass the 50,000 yard mark. Terrell and Terry = crazy.
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Owens is going to go nuts playing w/ Drew who always holds the ball too long which leads to sakcs and INts b/c he has such a great arm he thinks he can get it anywhere he wants and he can't.
 
Superself said:
Not sure I understand you here. So you think Daunte is a loser QB because he has not won a superbowl??
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No, I think Daunte is not a winner b/c he has been to the postseason just twice and has been a starter since 2000. he has played in a very weak div and conference and one of thsoe 2 playoff years they won 8 games to get in. He has choked time and again in big spots, that's why I think he is not a winner. i can give you mroe in-depth reasons but I have been repeating myself over and over the last 2 days here and at many boards for the last few years.
 
nyjunc said:
Owens is going to go nuts playing w/ Drew who always holds the ball too long which leads to sakcs and INts b/c he has such a great arm he thinks he can get it anywhere he wants and he can't.
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With a 60.1 completion percentage, I think he can. All Dallas needs is to fix up their offensive line, and give Bledsoe time to throw the ball. You give Bledsoe time, and he can read any defense very well.

The last 7 games in 2005, Dallas' offensive line played horrible, (well I did enjoy the flea flicker against the Chiefs :p).
 
Vertical Limit said:
With a 60.1 completion percentage, I think he can. All Dallas needs is to fix up their offensive line, and give Bledsoe time to throw the ball. You give Bledsoe time, and he can read any defense very well.

The last 7 games in 2005, Dallas' offensive line played horrible, (well I did enjoy the flea flicker against the Chiefs :p).
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is it the Ol or is it Drew? I heard how bad the Pats OL was the last few years w/ Drew then Brady steps in and all of a sudden they are great as Brady makes quicker decisions and doesn't hold onto the ball too long. The bottom line is since '99 drew has had one great HALF of season('02 w/ Buf then was dreadful in the 2nd half) and one good half of season(last year).
 
nyjunc said:
No, I think Daunte is not a winner b/c he has been to the postseason just twice and has been a starter since 2000. he has played in a very weak div and conference and one of thsoe 2 playoff years they won 8 games to get in. He has choked time and again in big spots, that's why I think he is not a winner. i can give you mroe in-depth reasons but I have been repeating myself over and over the last 2 days here and at many boards for the last few years.
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So you believe that he is the sole reason for the Vikings not getting into the playoffs more often?
I think there were other reasons outside of his control. Peyton Manning has choked big time in big spots too. Why are you all over Daunte?
 
nyjunc said:
is it the Ol or is it Drew? I heard how bad the Pats OL was the last few years w/ Drew then Brady steps in and all of a sudden they are great as Brady makes quicker decisions and doesn't hold onto the ball too long. The bottom line is since '99 drew has had one great HALF of season('02 w/ Buf then was dreadful in the 2nd half) and one good half of season(last year).
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It was the offensive line. I follow the Dallas Cowboys alot, and that offensive line was horrible. Yeah, there are times he holds the ball alot, but his primary target was Terry Glenn. Keyshaun Johnson was and still is extremely slow and that is why I think that with the addition of Terrell Owens Dallas will definitely have a better season. I can see them winning the division as well.
 
Superself said:
So you believe that he is the sole reason for the Vikings not getting into the playoffs more often?
I think there were other reasons outside of his control. Peyton Manning has choked big time in big spots too. Why are you all over Daunte?
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Sole reason might be a ltitle harsh but I'd say the main reason. Big time QBs can get their teams in the playoffs w/ the offensive talent he had around him in that pathetically weak div and conf.

I think Manning is a choker too and he has dropped on my list BUT the difference is at least Peyton waits until postseason to choke while daunte cannot even get his team in the postseason.

It was the offensive line. I follow the Dallas Cowboys alot, and that offensive line was horrible. Yeah, there are times he holds the ball alot, but his primary target was Terry Glenn. Keyshaun Johnson was and still is extremely slow and that is why I think that with the addition of Terrell Owens Dallas will definitely have a better season. I can see them winning the division as well.
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We'll see. I'll bet Drew screws it up somehow.
 
nyjunc said:
if he gets you to a SB w/in the next 3 years I'll change my mind OR if he steps up in big games down the stretch and in the playoffs. people like to blame their D but he has come up small in big games and that has been a key reason for not getting to the postseason and postseason failures when they do get there.
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the thing about Culpepper is he cant take to much pressure, by this i mean from the opposing defence, or to much on his own sholders. if you make daunte win the game he wont. but if you have a o-line protecting him, a running game giving him time, and a few receivers that get open offten he will prove you wrong and throw for 4500 yards and 35 TD'S in a season. our defence has just enough left in it to make the difference, which will be a superbowl apperance in the next 3 years.
 
nyjunc said:
he has all the physical tools but so did jeff George, Ryan leaf, Drew Bledsoe, Vinny, etc... That's only part of the battle.
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How can you metion George and Leaf in the same sentence will Daunte. Daunte is now going to have a complete team. With RB's, TE, Wr's and well coach O-line that was Fifth against Sacks allowed. Daunte is going to have plenty of time to AIR it out, plus he can always buy time. Complement that with a very good D.. Yeah, he's not going to win any games. He's not a winner. You can only go as far as your team take you. I mean we have won in the past with the likes of Fiedler and Gus. Can you imagine what we will do with Daunte. So let me ask you if yuo guys got Daunte would you be saying the samething ?
 
Saban knows what he is doing. There is no arguement there. However I think some of you are trying to hard to see a diamond where there is only a ruby.

He will get you your diamond. But just don't call for his head if you don't get it this year.
 
nyjunc said:
No, I think Daunte is not a winner b/c he has been to the postseason just twice and has been a starter since 2000. he has played in a very weak div and conference and one of thsoe 2 playoff years they won 8 games to get in. He has choked time and again in big spots, that's why I think he is not a winner. i can give you mroe in-depth reasons but I have been repeating myself over and over the last 2 days here and at many boards for the last few years.
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very weak last year but over all that has been a strong division over that time period.
 
nyjunc said:
Sole reason might be a ltitle harsh but I'd say the main reason. Big time QBs can get their teams in the playoffs w/ the offensive talent he had around him in that pathetically weak div and conf.

I think Manning is a choker too and he has dropped on my list BUT the difference is at least Peyton waits until postseason to choke while daunte cannot even get his team in the postseason.



We'll see. I'll bet Drew screws it up somehow.
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I'm not seeing your point. The Vikings didn't have a big time defense. Obviously Culpepper more than contributed his share in yards, points scored, and accuracy.
I would say that there are indicators which point to other facets of the team that did not hold up their end of the bargain.

A QB cannot do it all....none have and none will.
 
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