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A message for all of you who claim Carey plugs our only hole

rickeyrunsover said:
Wow Jimmy James not only knows who the best picks are but decides who posts on what threads. Wilfork fits w/ us best why? Yeah we needed to draft a backup rather thana starter. LOL Time to get over yourself!
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You know what, man? I have opinions. Excuse the hell out of me for that. I didn't realize I was the only one here who didn't have that right.
 
Frayser said:
Ok . . . well I DID read the whole thread, and here is what I think (for anyone that cares). While I am excited about what Vernon Carey can bring to our line, I am disappointed in the move-up. I believe Rick knows what he is doing, and I am behind this draft 100%. However, I can understand JJ's point. There was no need to move up and give away that 4th round pick. If Carey was the BPA, he might have fallen to us anyway. If New England was going to move up and take him, I almost think you have to say "so be it." I say this because 1) Vince Wilfork was still on the board and a steal at 20 (IMO) and 2) the Pats had the ammunition and we did not. I just think we were not in a position to be competing (with draft picks) for Carey when either he or Wilfork were going to be there at 20.

Will Poole was a GREAT pick in the 4th, but I think you have to look at what we could have done in those rounds with our original 3rd and 4th. This is not meant to second guess as much as it's meant to play devil's advocate and promote discussion (and to maybe lend a little support to JJ!). Of course, we're dealing with hypotheticals . . . but I would be hard pressed to not say that Vince Wilfork in the first, a guy like Matt Ware in the third, and an OL like Kelly Butler in the fourth might benefit this team more than Carey/Poole . . . both in the short and long term.

Again, I'm in no way criticizing Rick. I am behind this draft all the way and hope to see Carey mauling people out of Rickey's way for years to come, but I do feel some of JJ's pain.
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I want to address something quickly: I'm not suggesting that everybody has to read all of this. I'm suggesting that you can't read the first page and expect to say anything relevent to where we're at right now. That's just plain common sense if you ask me.

I want to thank you for using your own judgment and trying to see where I'm coming from. I also want to say that I am being a bit critical of Rick. I'm not suggesting that he is incapable -- I'm suggesting that I will expect better from him next time around. He did a solid job, but there was room for improvement. That is particularly true when it comes to the value equation. I am satisfied with where we're at right now, and I do thank him for doing a good job for a first year GM. I really did like pretty much every pick after round 1...
 
Why is everyone so under the opinion that Tim Bowens is done? The man is still a rock in the center of the line that should be viable for another 2-3 years.

Options instead of Carey would have been Wilfork (wilFORK is a great name for him since he is in love with eating) or Igor from Washington (san diego #2 pick) who is a workout wonder who has potential but is at least 2 years away (if ever, remember DTs bust at the highest rate of any position)
 
Jimmy James said:
I do not believe in drafting for need. The FA market is for need, and the draft is for the future. This is my draft dogma, and the Miami selection has offended it. I appear to have bitten off a bit more than anticipated, but that's honestly what I think message boards are best for. I like to argue a position that is a bit more radical than I otherwise would because it brings out a wider range of arguments. Don't we see it here?

I can respect disagreement, but I don't like being told that I shouldn't take exception to what happened when we were assured that the team would be going after BPA in this draft. The team could have been up front about needing to take players to fill holes, but they chose not to do so. This combined with the attitude of others in other threads is exactly why we are where we are right now.
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:roflmao: ....we were assured that the team would be going after BPA in this draft..... :roflmao:
 
Jimmy James said:
I'm basing my argument on a relatively large body of information that suggests Wilfork is a better player than Carey. That is what BPA means, and it doesn't change from team to team IMHO.
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That is just so wrong, that I don't know what else to write....
 
Jimmy James said:
Laugh if you like, but those were the reports.
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What you missed is that the report did not say that they would be going after Jimmy James' opinion of BPA. It is unbelievably arrogant to think that your draft board matched the Fins draft board.
 
If you really believe that my having an opinion equals arrogance, I hope you're not planning on sharing any opinions here. Oh, wait, you just expressed an opinion. I guess you're already just as arrogant as I am. :rolleyes:

I believe we did not value draft in the first, and I am entitled to that opinion. I can support it, and I am comfortable with it. What I'm sick of is being attacked for doing what everybody else on the board does.
 
Jimmy James said:
If you really believe that my having an opinion equals arrogance, I hope you're not planning on sharing any opinions here. Oh, wait, you just expressed an opinion. I guess you're already just as arrogant as I am. :rolleyes:

I believe we did not value draft in the first, and I am entitled to that opinion. I can support it, and I am comfortable with it. What I'm sick of is being attacked for doing what everybody else on the board does.
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You didn't just state an opinion. You claimed that the FO didn't follow through on their "promise" to take the BPA. That assumes either (1) you knew what their draft board was or (2) that your opinion of BPA is more valid that the opinion of a professional football team. Either of those qualifies as arrogant.
 
I stated that it was my opinion, and I have evidence in the form of lots of player evaluations with Wilfork over Carey to support my opinion. By suggesting that this is arrogance, you're calling almost every person on this board arrogant. We question FO, coaching, and player decisions here all the time. Do you not plan to do this, or are you being patently hypocritical just because it suits you?
 
I've got an idea. If your draft board is the bible and all teams surely agree with it, why not skip the draft and just assign players to teams in the order of the draft? That way every team gets the BPA at the time of their pick.

Man, some people are just full of themselves. You are completely entitled to your opinion, you just shouldn't be so arrogant about it.
 
Jimmy James said:
I stated that it was my opinion, and I have evidence in the form of lots of player evaluations with Wilfork over Carey to support my opinion. By suggesting that this is arrogance, you're calling almost every person on this board arrogant. We question FO, coaching, and player decisions here all the time. Do you not plan to do this, or are you being patently hypocritical just because it suits you?
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Are you saying that there are NO player evaluations that had Carey ranked ahead of Wilfork?
 
Let's attack that from another angle: you aren't sitting in my head, so you don't know that I am being arrogant. It is your opinion that I am being arrogant because you think I am coming off arrogant. Judging my motivation from my message is like me judging RS's actions from his pick.

We don't just assign players by strict BPA because we believe that the teams should control who they select. Some teams do stupid things, and we feel this is their right. There is also the point that teams would complain about who they got compared to others if they didn't get a say. Human beings are egotistical, and they generally think it's better when they have some sense of control.

I submit that what you see as arrogance is actually me being very defensive. I started this very thread because at the time, anybody who didn't sing the praises of this choice was getting branded some traitor to the Dolphins. I did what I thought best to make my point, and I kept taking shots. That's why my tone here is far more ascerbic than it is on pretty much every other thread.
 
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