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Here's proof that we're screwed.

FinsOnTop said:
DW will strike again this year, more conservatively than ever. Run up the middle, Run up the middle, Dump Pass, Punt.

"Many observers believe Foerster, who was a tight ends coach with the Colts last year, got the coordinator job because Wannstedt can keep a tight leash on him. If so, that means even more conservative play calling."

Here's the link.

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2447962

The article also says:

"Foerster is a fine assistant coach with 11 years of experience in the NFL, but the Dolphins need to change their offensive philosophy -- and that doesn't seem likely."

A leopard doesn't change his spots.
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Your name is Fins On Top and yet you say the Dolphins are "screwed". Which one is it?

Would you say that the Dolphins were conservative in the Dallas game on Thanksgiving? I wouldn't. What was the difference? Jay played excellent. When the Dolphins QB (whoever it may be) plays excellent, Miami will be explosive.
 
Since when has giving the ball to our best player been a problem??? Was it just me, or did Jay miss A LOT of deep balls to Chambers last year? It seemed like last year we would miss a wide open Chambers atleast once or twice a game. I think the best way for us to win is giving the ball to Ricky. Hopefully an improved line will make him the best RB in football again.
 
In todays NFL you dont have the luxury of keeping players long enough to develop chemistry. Some positions or units are going to be under paid and you usually get what ya pay for On the dolphins that unit is the O line. That being said this O line has the potential to be alot better than last years, they are younger, bigger and should be able to have a better year than ruddy dixon, nails, perry.
 
Muck said:
Remind me never to watch a game with you. It's like you have Tourette's. :tongue:
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You got me on that one Muck.. I had to look up the word "Tourette"

Symptoms/Findings
The primary characteristics associated with TS are multiple motor tics and one or more vocal tics. Motor and vocal tics may develop at about the same time or predominate at different times during the course of the disorder.

Initially, patients develop sudden, rapid, recurrent, involuntary movements (motor tics), particularly of the head and facial area. At symptom onset, motor tics usually consist of abrupt, brief, isolated movements known as simple motor tics, such as repeated eye blinking or facial twitching.
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Doesn't Wanny develop these symptoms when the team is losing? I can remember him uncontrollably pacing the sidelines, running his fingers thru his hair and getting those involuntary facial scrunches.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
 
Gladsadmad said:
Your name is Fins On Top and yet you say the Dolphins are "screwed". Which one is it?

Would you say that the Dolphins were conservative in the Dallas game on Thanksgiving? I wouldn't. What was the difference? Jay played excellent. When the Dolphins QB (whoever it may be) plays excellent, Miami will be explosive.
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Certainly the Dolphins were far more "wide open" last Thanksgiving, helping prove the point that solid execution allows for greater risk and experimentation. Of course, the exact opposite is also true: poor execution leads to greater conservatism in play calling. In this respect, Dave Wanstedt is sometimes given greater blame for offense then he should get.

Having said that, it doesn't mean that Wanny shouldn't be scrutinized or considered as generally too conservative. While the offense can be considered justifiably conservative due to lack of overal talent and execution, that certainly can't be used as an excuse for conservative defensive play calling. Instead of allowing a pro-bowl stacked defense to go shutdown aggressive, Dave continues to go into prevent mode, which almost always allows the opponent back into the game. Once the opponent is back into the game, he has proven unable to re-ignite the D and get aggressive again. Once things go wrong, they snowball, and Dave continues to get more conservative yet. It is almost like telling your team you have no confidence in letting them play their game. This is what seperates a Miami D that has the talent to be one of the greatest ever from other D's that have actually achieved such titles.

It is this track record on defense that should make everyone nervous about his greater involvement in offense. When things are running well, he looks good, but the problem comes with his propensity for greater conservatism with any mistep. While I don't think Dave's greater involvement on offense is a doomsday message for the season, it certainly isn't something to rejoice about.
 
Dave is a conservative coach. Nothing is gonna change that. If he feels his job is on the line and that he has to make the playoffs to continue coaching then he is going to get even more conservative because he honestly believes thats the best way to win.
 
yankeehillbilly said:
Dave is a conservative coach. Nothing is gonna change that. If he feels his job is on the line and that he has to make the playoffs to continue coaching then he is going to get even more conservative because he honestly believes thats the best way to win.
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If that's what happens this year..than Wannstedt will definitely be fired after the season. Wayne Huizenga is the owner and he has made no secret of his desire for the offense to be more aggressive...barring unjuries, of course.
 
Just like Wayne Huizenga made it very clear at the beginning of last season that a playoff berth was needed for Wanny to remain head coach? That'll happen.
 
FiN.in.RI said:
i know but the media is always going to bash the phins because , well i dont know why, but it soesn;t mean anything.

Your right Wanny will have control over P-C but it could be much worse..
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It already IS worse since Wanny has control over it [P-C]. He NEVER plays to win but rather not to lose. That mentality is why we have won alot of games but get absolutely nowhere in the playoffs. When we get in there, that is.
 
Muck said:
Listen, could the reason for Wanny being conservative on offense have anything to do with the fact that the offensive personnel has generally stunk the last few years??

Who here would have wanted to see Jay Fiedler behind that offensive line chucking the ball 35 times a game?? It's hard to execute a play-action pass when your offensive lineman struggles just to sustain a block. It's equally difficult when you're quarterback doesn't throw with much velocity and isn't overly accurate to begin with. And the trifecta becomes complete when you only have one WR capable of getting open.....and he's double-teamed.

When the OL becomes better, when the QB play gets better, and someone else is able to get open, then Wanny won't be quite as conservative. We will execute our bread-and-butter plays with far greater success. And as a result, we will have the luxury of taking more chances and getting creative.

Still, the new offense is supposedly in place. The whole point of not bringing in another OC was to keep that offense in place. So we shall see what happens.
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Muck, you make a good point, to a certain point, ie. What i mean is, our stinky O was generally goos enough to get us a lead to nurse at halftime, albeit a score lead alot of times. Granted, the D holds most of them and when they choke a bit, our O isn't good enough to come from behind very well. IMO, Wanny should keep after them well into the 2nd half, at least, to see how the flow goes from there. It we widen the lead by another score or 2, then ease off if he wants since the clock will be on our side then. IMO, that is the main factor of us being just a good team and being more likely a great team. It's not realistic to think that the D can play lights out every gm and when the D slides, hopefully the O can carry the day. the tenn gm last yr is an exception to the rule just like the debacle in the meadowlands was also. Fortunately, those games don't happen very often, nor will the one in Dallas LY either. Just a few extra points per gm leaves us higher up in the standings.
 
FiN.in.RI said:
Dude, calm down its only an article. An article conjured up by fox sports :rolleyes: no less.
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Conjured???? But get this tho, a conservative media bashing a conservative game plan!!! :D
 
volk said:
Just like Wayne Huizenga made it very clear at the beginning of last season that a playoff berth was needed for Wanny to remain head coach? That'll happen.
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Ok, I guess that means that Wannstedt will be more conservative than ever and he'll definitely keep his job. You win.
 
FinsOnTop said:
DW will strike again this year, more conservatively than ever. Run up the middle, Run up the middle, Dump Pass, Punt.

"Many observers believe Foerster, who was a tight ends coach with the Colts last year, got the coordinator job because Wannstedt can keep a tight leash on him. If so, that means even more conservative play calling."

Here's the link.

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2447962

The article also says:

"Foerster is a fine assistant coach with 11 years of experience in the NFL, but the Dolphins need to change their offensive philosophy -- and that doesn't seem likely."

The sad thing is, for me, I believe all of the above to be true. I have been a Fins fan since the George Wilson coaching days, and let me tell you I was always, always an optimistic fan til Wannstedt came as an asst coach to be groomed to take the head job. I waited, I gave him time to see what he could do. I thought Fiedler might work out (he'd done a couple of good games for the Jags). But alas, it's not to be. It's really sad but I truly think the highlight of the 2004 season for me will be Wanny getting fired mid season (if not before).

A leopard doesn't change his spots.
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My point is this: I think very few of us want Dave suppressing the offense, right? And it now appears that he will have more control than before, i.e., we're screwed.

Book it.
 
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