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CK, let me ask you a question. If it was proven that what I said about the training camps was completely false and what I said about Big O was completely untrue, would you ever believe another word I said?
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No I probably wouldn't. But like I said, even I still believe you were at the camp and reported what you saw, it was just that on top of the Big O thing it seemed like for a second, wait a minute who is this guy. Remember not a year ago this one poster who was FH's official training camp reporter came on and lied about camp reports too, told completely untrue accounts, and tried to pass off amalgamated rumors from other observers into a first hand account of training camp. Thats fresh in some peoples' minds, so you'll have to be a bit more understanding about people being a little wary.

I tell you what though if you absolutely insist that Big O, nobody else, said what you say he did, then Big O said to Muck that he never said that...then no matter what happens, whichever way the ball bounces, there is someone who I will never believe again. I don't like that, and that is why a lot of people are simply assuming you MISHEARD him. Don't try and spin that into calling you a liar. If I checked the archives and found that Big O did not say any such thing all day yesterday, and you said you could have been wrong that is what you thought you heard though, I would forgive you...its just a mistake. But with you insisting you heard correctly, if I check the archives and Big O said no such thing...then guess what, that prediction about never believing another word you say will come true. Likewise, if I hear Big O say the words, I will never believe him again.
 
ckparrothead said:
No I probably wouldn't. But like I said, even I still believe you were at the camp and reported what you saw, it was just that on top of the Big O thing it seemed like for a second, wait a minute who is this guy. Remember not a year ago this one poster who was FH's official training camp reporter came on and lied about camp reports too, told completely untrue accounts, and tried to pass off amalgamated rumors from other observers into a first hand account of training camp. Thats fresh in some peoples' minds, so you'll have to be a bit more understanding about people being a little wary.

I tell you what though if you absolutely insist that Big O, nobody else, said what you say he did, then Big O said to Muck that he never said that...then no matter what happens, whichever way the ball bounces, there is someone who I will never believe again. I don't like that, and that is why a lot of people are simply assuming you MISHEARD him. Don't try and spin that into calling you a liar. If I checked the archives and found that Big O did not say any such thing all day yesterday, and you said you could have been wrong that is what you thought you heard though, I would forgive you...its just a mistake. But with you insisting you heard correctly, if I check the archives and Big O said no such thing...then guess what, that prediction about never believing another word you say will come true. Likewise, if I hear Big O say the words, I will never believe him again.
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You know what, that's all I ask. I wasn't aware of that situation that happened here a year ago but I assure you I have fabricated no reports and the only that can't be verified is this one, since no one else attended unfortunately. But this is what I'm talking about:

Did anybody else hear the Big O say that we're looking at possibly sending Wale to Tennessee or Kansas City for a Pro Bowl caliber offensive lineman?

I'm asking because if FinsFlurry made up the reports on Feeley, then he could very well have made up the Big O's report on the Wale situation.

Now that people think I made something up, it makes people question all my future posts and reports...it's like take what he says with a grain of salt since we don't know if he's lying. That's why I'm taking such offense and being defensive, I apologize for that. But no matter what reports or articles come out, I am sticking to my story that what I saw on Tuesday happened 100% the way I said it and that's that.
 
Well the two are linked, the inconsistencies with the training camp observations and the the Big O thing, linked in some ways because none of this would have been an issue if not for the discrepancy between what you say and what Big O says. For a minute, the fact that Big O replied to Muck and said in no uncertain terms that he never said that, seemed like damning evidence that you were making up the training camp report too. That would have made it like a J Brown thing.

Like I said it would be a lot easier to believe in you wholeheartedly about the training camp report if you didn't insist on this Big O is a liar thing...
 
ckparrothead said:
No I probably wouldn't. But like I said, even I still believe you were at the camp and reported what you saw, it was just that on top of the Big O thing it seemed like for a second, wait a minute who is this guy. Remember not a year ago this one poster who was FH's official training camp reporter came on and lied about camp reports too, told completely untrue accounts, and tried to pass off amalgamated rumors from other observers into a first hand account of training camp. Thats fresh in some peoples' minds, so you'll have to be a bit more understanding about people being a little wary.

I tell you what though if you absolutely insist that Big O, nobody else, said what you say he did, then Big O said to Muck that he never said that...then no matter what happens, whichever way the ball bounces, there is someone who I will never believe again. I don't like that, and that is why a lot of people are simply assuming you MISHEARD him. Don't try and spin that into calling you a liar. If I checked the archives and found that Big O did not say any such thing all day yesterday, and you said you could have been wrong that is what you thought you heard though, I would forgive you...its just a mistake. But with you insisting you heard correctly, if I check the archives and Big O said no such thing...then guess what, that prediction about never believing another word you say will come true. Likewise, if I hear Big O say the words, I will never believe him again.
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Dang CK, don't cut a person off for life for one mistake...geesh, everyone is entitle to one mistake, I've read a couple of mistakes in your writings before, but assumed they were misprints, but I didn't cut you off as a credible source. I still read your comments and enjoy them for the most part, occassionally I disagree with you in opinion..but enjoy your input, same with this situation, if one of the people made a mistake, fine, the fact that FinF defends him self the way he does as compared to the situation last year is totally different. That guy basically gave us other peoples opinions and facts as through he was at the practice, plus he was very bias in his reporting which didn't help us understand what was going on at camp. FF was at camp and gave us first hand scoops, no other medial reporter has really addressed camp except to say youngers got some work, but no specifics. We know Rosenberg got more work, but I don't know if it was on tuesday or wednesday. We know the whole team at camp tuesday based on the speaker thing. We don't know what happened after he finished. We know the vets were pretty much off wednesday..that's all we know. While no one can say big O's story was one way or the other, the 2 disagree on what was said. And no one on this site seem to be listening to the station at the time except FF. So it's a draw right now.
 
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Well the two are linked, the inconsistencies with the training camp observations and the the Big O thing, linked in some ways because none of this would have been an issue if not for the discrepancy between what you say and what Big O says. For a minute, the fact that Big O replied to Muck and said in no uncertain terms that he never said that, seemed like damning evidence that you were making up the training camp report too. That would have made it like a J Brown thing.

Like I said it would be a lot easier to believe in you wholeheartedly about the training camp report if you didn't insist on this Big O is a liar thing...
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But he is a liar if he said it on live air then backtracked in his email to Muck. Everyone I work with (about 7 people) are all diehard Dolphans and we all listen to Mo and Goldie in the morning on the way to work. I was in the car with 3 of my friends and we all heard the same thing, we stopped and were like WTH another Ogun rumor? Then I recieved a call from 2 other coworkers who were carpooling about the same damn thing, I just called my friend to get the jist of what he said, and here it is, although I must've missed the first part.

"I heard from Rosenhaus that both the Titans and Chiefs are in the running for O-Gun by offering a pro-bowl caliber lineman" or something to that extent.

He and Howard discussed it for a couple seconds then they went to break, but he did field a few calls about it. If you remember the whole Sagulero thing he made up numerous different lies in emails to defend himself, why does everyone think Big O wouldn't do the same? If you're not familiar with him, he 's one of the more radical hosts who kept bashing the Dolphins and telling them to get rid of Wanny and Fiedler. The end result of that is the Dolphins, particularly Wanny, severely limited his access to the team to the point where he would go by what others told him and he was basically a regular fan on the radio. I really think he's backtracking now because he know Drew fed him a BS report with no credibility, but I know what I heard man I'm 110% sure.
 
No offense but credibility isn't handed out here it's earned. So you gotta take it until it's earned especially with this much inconsistentcy out there. Especially with the past burns this forum has received from fakes. I'm surprised no one has emailed any of the beat reporters. They generally write back. Or point Big O to this thread since he posts here lol.
 
Dang CK, don't cut a person off for life for one mistake...geesh, everyone is entitle to one mistake, I've read a couple of mistakes in your writings before, but assumed they were misprints, but I didn't cut you off as a credible source.
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This is why I continually offer FinsFlurry the option of saying he could have been mistaken. He insists he is not, and if we find out he is LYING (not mistaken, BIG difference) then yes, cut off. I've been wrong before, but it was not a LIE, it was a factual mistake of bad memory or an off the wall opinion or whatever. Its not the same as saying for sure, that a guy absolutely positive said X and furthermore stating how 5 to 7 people he knows all heard it and say the same thing, then finding out its not true. Yes, if I find out he is LYING, not merely MISTAKEN, I wont believe him again. What reason would I have to?
 
AHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh.......... NOW what you say may well square with Big-O's response without any conflict. It depends on what Muck asked him. In Muck's post in the "WOW .." thread, he doesn't state what he asked Big-O, that that he e-mailed Big-0 and asked "about this" last night. Big-O replied "I never said that. Wale is not going anywhere." If Muck asked Big-O "[d]id you say on the air that the Dolphins were looking to trade O-Gun", then there's not even a contradiction present, just Flurry hearing part of it, and Big-O responding honestly to the question he was asked.
 
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No, you're Drew because you gave us one report that accredited media sources have refuted, and another report that the source himself (Big O) repudiated. Keep in mind that BIG O HIMSELF emailed Muck back and said he never said any such thing.
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That's what is strange. Why the HELL would the Big O be "ashamed" to admit something that HE said on the radio? I am sure Big O didn't report anything like that, and it's reaaaaaal funny that we didn't hear anything about this from anyone else.

Next time I feel the need to make up a rumor, I'm gonna say the Big O said it on WQAM. :shakeno:
 
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Say what you want I just don't take well to when someone can't admit that they MIGHT have misheard something, and instead force us to say that either Big O is a liar, or FinsFlurry is a liar. I do not take Big O's word as golden, if you dont believe me you can check out the "archives" for my posts concerning Big O. But I also do not assume someone is a liar just because someone else claims they are. If I come on and say I heard Big O say something then Big O tells a different story, I say its possible I misunderstood him, because I wouldn't force people to choose him or me.

I'm sorry you all took it that way, but trust me when I say I'm not losing sleep over your opinion of me, Superself.
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Oh, I wouldn't want you to lose any sleep sir...just maybe give the guy a break...
Everything isn't always black and white. Sure you and others may have been burned in the past, but that doesn't mean everyone is out to burn you.
I just don't understand your hard liner stance against a fellow dolfan here versus this Big O character. Have you thrown him into the fire and accused Big O as much as you have FF?
It just seems a bit overboard and unfair IMO.
That is all sir.
Good day.
 
ckparrothead said:
For a minute, the fact that Big O replied to Muck and said in no uncertain terms that he never said that, seemed like damning evidence that you were making up the training camp report too. That would have made it like a J Brown thing.

Like I said it would be a lot easier to believe in you wholeheartedly about the training camp report if you didn't insist on this Big O is a liar thing...
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That is one man's word against another man's word....how is that damning evidence CK?
Why are you asking FF to bend on his stance but not the Big O dude? Has he never misspoken or is that even possible?
 
ckparrothead said:
This is why I continually offer FinsFlurry the option of saying he could have been mistaken. He insists he is not, and if we find out he is LYING (not mistaken, BIG difference) then yes, cut off. I've been wrong before, but it was not a LIE, it was a factual mistake of bad memory or an off the wall opinion or whatever. Its not the same as saying for sure, that a guy absolutely positive said X and furthermore stating how 5 to 7 people he knows all heard it and say the same thing, then finding out its not true. Yes, if I find out he is LYING, not merely MISTAKEN, I wont believe him again. What reason would I have to?
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Because he may have actually thought that's what the guy said, and if that's what he thinks, why wouldn't he state it as fact. Haven't you been sure of something before, then found out it was wrong. I know there's time I'm positive I heard something and then found out later it wasn't what I though, but until I found out, I vernomously defended it as fact. Once I found out, then I apologized. But until then, for me it was a fact. Would you forgive me afterwards when I apologized for saying the wrong thing and defending it until I was proven wrong...does that make me a liar? or was I someone who was sure of what I thought I heard. Would you not trust me anymore afterwards? He either heard what he heard or is convinced that what he heard is what he's presenting. I think we've all been there.
 
Look, Flurry said that when he asked his friend what was said today, the guy said Big-O said something to the effect that ROSENHORSE said that a couple teams were willing to give up a stud olineman. Flurry stated that he must have missed the first part of it concerning Rosenhaus being the origin of the rumor. That is quite a different thing than what Flurry apparently understood and reported as [paraphrased] "Phins considering trading Ogun for pro-bowl calibre OL".

So, if Muck asked Big O, "did you report that the phins are considering a trade with KC or Titans for a pro-bowl OL", then if Big O says, "I never said that. Wale is not going anywhere", then there's no contradiction. Flurry just didn't hear the first part of the comment attributing the source to Rosenass, and Big O responded honestly as to whether he broadcast that the Phins were considering trading Ogun.
 
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Look, Flurry said that when he asked his friend what was said today, the guy said Big-O said something to the effect that ROSENHORSE said that a couple teams were willing to give up a stud olineman. Flurry stated that he must have missed the first part of it concerning Rosenhaus being the origin of the rumor. That is quite a different thing than what Flurry apparently understood and reported as [paraphrased] "Phins considering trading Ogun for pro-bowl calibre OL".

So, if Muck asked Big O, "did you report that the phins are considering a trade with KC or Titans for a pro-bowl OL", then if Big O says, "I never said that. Wale is not going anywhere", then there's no contradiction. Flurry just didn't hear the first part of the comment attributing the source to Rosenass, and Big O responded honestly as to whether he broadcast that the Phins were considering trading Ogun.
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Sorry but I don't buy it.
 
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Sorry but I don't buy it.
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I could care less whether you buy it or not, the point is he said it
and I heard him. He can backtrack all he wants but the fact remains
that no one here actually heard him except for me it seems so don't
tell me I could "possibly be mistaken." I've heard him down here for quite
a while, it's like someone telling me I mistook Mad Dog for someone else.
I know for a fact that he said it, maybe not word for word, but the point
is on Wednesday, June 23 on the Howard David Show Big O reported
the jist of what I said. I'd love for him to come on here and say
he didn't, I know you're reading this Big O don't hide behind the mike,
own up to what you said.
 
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